So when is this "Honest" discussion regarding race relations goint to occur?

Sean... Very well said. One that I originally had in mind as a point but got a little frustrated along the way. hahaha

And yeah brother... Your idea is socialism. It doesn't work so good Haha

Socialism works just fine and our country desperately needs a fresh injection of it.

Violent crime is down because the people that commit it are staying in prison longer. mandatory minimums, three-strikes laws and other things I doubt you are in favor of. Stop and frisk? Locked up along with them are people that probably were not going to commit violent crime. Kind of hard to tell the difference.

As a result a lot of kids are growing up not just in single parent households, in households with no visit from dad. This is going to have costs.

That's part of it another part of it is we've taken better care of our poor. No I'm not in favor of most of those programs.
 
What is your solution to this? It's great and all to have an opinion. But I want to hear solutions for these issues everyone is bringing up.
We can bitch till were blue in the face. We know Single parent homes make a child more likely to have issues as an adult. We know coming from a low income neighborhood does the same. We know that educations is not equal in all neighborhoods as it should be. But what do we do about it?
I am seeing a lot of talking in circles and no solutions forth coming. Well there was the one.

Well do you have any solutions?
 
But...statistics are such good copouts when there's nothing else to contribute. :(

It would be interesting if we were still talking about a problem. Now were trying to find a solution(s). So statistics are pointless. We need a plan and continue the course is not a plan. If what we are doing is working then can we discuss the ramifications of that and how to fix those. I am not big on a stitch and bitch session. I like to come to the table with a plan if I am going to bitch about something.
 
Now, I wonder how that statistic correlates with a majority of black people's SES...

Which brings us back to the discussion of poverty being the culprit, not race.

A notion I totally reject. "I'm poor so it's OK to murder." "I'm poor so armed robbery is OK." Poverty and morals are two different things and not mutually inclusive. Poor blacks come here from the islands, south America, even Africa, and they do better than their native born counterpart. Why is that?

Ishmael
 
Sadly I see a sheep mentality to our nation. People voting political lines and not even knowing what they are voting for. Well my grand papa did it so it's good for me. Then people complain when crap blow up in their faces. For example blaming the president for stuff. If they payed attention in government class they would know he can not make laws. That would be the legislative branch.. AKA Senate and House of representatives. Yet they still keep re-electing the same old idiots. Ugh! So frustrating!!!

This is true... Not only that but people don't know what the fuck to do. Congress refused to do anything in the face of a government shut down unless their demands were met. Should have been considered treason as acts detrimental to our country and national security. Yet, they all stayed. It's absolutely ridiculous. I also feel that the President takes this as a normal job instead of swinging his power in areas of more dire need. The president is handcuffed in a lot of areas, but I would have a heart attack if they stepped up to the plate to cut corruption and in government fighting the way Teddy Roosevelt did in the early 1900's.

I think a lot of people are confused as to the role of our federal and state governments asking each for the wrong things. We want the federal government to create jobs when it's really the states responsibility in a free market economy. The federal government can create short term interstate positions but that's like putting a band aid on a volcano.
 
Violent crime is down? I mean, statistically speaking, but I'm sure the areas this refers to, the citizens can't feel the difference. I hate fine numbers.

There are pockets of violence. Smooth lives in one. They are predominantly black. I would prefer that not be true, but it is. The levels of violence are unrivaled anywhere in the world outside of an actual war-zone.

I exclude Mexico, because it is a failed Narco-Terrorist State, essentially. Other places in the world flare up in similar fashion I count those as war zones. It is more than poverty.
 
Well do you have any solutions?

No I don't. That is why I am asking for opinions. See I don't have an issue saying I don't know something. I like to learn and get different perspectives.

I do think that as a hole the country is lacking a moral direction and something needs to be done to fix that. I think also as a whole we are selfish and lack patience. I think the instant gratification of the internet has crated a lot of that issue.

Now if I come up with something I will be sure to share it.
 
A notion I totally reject. "I'm poor so it's OK to murder." "I'm poor so armed robbery is OK." Poverty and morals are two different things and not mutually inclusive. Poor blacks come here from the islands, south America, even Africa, and they do better than their native born counterpart. Why is that?

Ishmael

No one said it was ok. Just that the number point that is makes it more likely. Nothing more. Try not to get so pissy. It's not helping.
 
Socialism works just fine and our country desperately needs a fresh injection of it.



That's part of it another part of it is we've taken better care of our poor. No I'm not in favor of most of those programs.
"taken care of?"

we have more poor than ever and about the same percentage of poor as when the war on poverty with the Great Society was started. It has been going my entire life and I am not a young man.

No violence is down because violent offenders are staying statistically longer than they did when violence was higher. Only difference.

Oh wait there is another thing. Gun ownership is up.

Areas that eased restrictions on lawful gun ownership saw a drop in crime specific to their area as well.
 
America is a brutal land. Different groups have fought for power and control of this place for centuries. White folks wiped out the Natives and brought enslaved Africans to this country. Now, with so many immigrants from the Caribbean, Latin America, China, the Arab world, India and other countries flooding ALL of America's major cities, and entire States are becoming mostly brown, black and yellow, the days of the White Majority are numbered. Before I'm dead, white folks will be minorities in the USA. And don't even THINK about falling back to Europe. The Arabs, Somalis, Turks and other Muslim immigrants in Europe are flooding the continent that spawned the white race, and the day will come when Islam and its teeming brown, black and yellow masses conquer Europe. Through breeding and war, not war alone. White folks have an infertility problem that they don't think we people of color are aware of. Their populations are going down not because of everyone else making more babies but because Jane and John White from Suburbia are shooting blanks down below...LMBAO. Welcome to the future, white boys...you're NOT in it. :D
 
No one said it was ok. Just that the number point that is makes it more likely. Nothing more. Try not to get so pissy. It's not helping.

Wow. Just wanted to thank you Misshot for your contributions to this GB discussion. If you think you can handle it, I'd like to see you around more. :) I haven't seen the boys so calm in a long while - even my blood was starting to boil a little. Nothing to really add but the last few pages have been really constructive and entertaining to read. Thank you! :rose:
 
Unfortunately'race'is, has been and always will be,a political movement...travon Martin...Ferguson..etc..is government lead...if travon had been white our if the officer in Ferguson had been black we wouldn't even know about these incidents. I read an article in the paper today, TWELVE YEAR OLD BOY FATALLY SHOT' a twelve year old had removed the orange tip off the end off his airsoft gun. He was shot by an officer standing 10' away...it was a one paragraph blurb...nothing else...if the kid had been black..he'd be the next travon...
 
America is a brutal land. Different groups have fought for power and control of this place for centuries. White folks wiped out the Natives and brought enslaved Africans to this country. Now, with so many immigrants from the Caribbean, Latin America, China, the Arab world, India and other countries flooding ALL of America's major cities, and entire States are becoming mostly brown, black and yellow, the days of the White Majority are numbered. Before I'm dead, white folks will be minorities in the USA. And don't even THINK about falling back to Europe. The Arabs, Somalis, Turks and other Muslim immigrants in Europe are flooding the continent that spawned the white race, and the day will come when Islam and its teeming brown, black and yellow masses conquer Europe. Through breeding and war, not war alone. White folks have an infertility problem that they don't think we people of color are aware of. Their populations are going down not because of everyone else making more babies but because Jane and John White from Suburbia are shooting blanks down below...LMBAO. Welcome to the future, white boys...you're NOT in it. :D

Ah... Well, thanks for introducing a dipshit minority to the mix... Welcome. I'm sure you're people are proud
 
America is a brutal land. Different groups have fought for power and control of this place for centuries. White folks wiped out the Natives and brought enslaved Africans to this country. Now, with so many immigrants from the Caribbean, Latin America, China, the Arab world, India and other countries flooding ALL of America's major cities, and entire States are becoming mostly brown, black and yellow, the days of the White Majority are numbered. Before I'm dead, white folks will be minorities in the USA. And don't even THINK about falling back to Europe. The Arabs, Somalis, Turks and other Muslim immigrants in Europe are flooding the continent that spawned the white race, and the day will come when Islam and its teeming brown, black and yellow masses conquer Europe. Through breeding and war, not war alone. White folks have an infertility problem that they don't think we people of color are aware of. Their populations are going down not because of everyone else making more babies but because Jane and John White from Suburbia are shooting blanks down below...LMBAO. Welcome to the future, white boys...you're NOT in it. :D

Honestly bruh, We didn't need this. You should KIM
 
America is a brutal land. Different groups have fought for power and control of this place for centuries. White folks wiped out the Natives and brought enslaved Africans to this country. Now, with so many immigrants from the Caribbean, Latin America, China, the Arab world, India and other countries flooding ALL of America's major cities, and entire States are becoming mostly brown, black and yellow, the days of the White Majority are numbered. Before I'm dead, white folks will be minorities in the USA. And don't even THINK about falling back to Europe. The Arabs, Somalis, Turks and other Muslim immigrants in Europe are flooding the continent that spawned the white race, and the day will come when Islam and its teeming brown, black and yellow masses conquer Europe. Through breeding and war, not war alone. White folks have an infertility problem that they don't think we people of color are aware of. Their populations are going down not because of everyone else making more babies but because Jane and John White from Suburbia are shooting blanks down below...LMBAO. Welcome to the future, white boys...you're NOT in it. :D

OH NOES!

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Unfortunately'race'is, has been and always will be,a political movement...travon Martin...Ferguson..etc..is government lead...if travon had been white our if the officer in Ferguson had been black we wouldn't even know about these incidents. I read an article in the paper today, TWELVE YEAR OLD BOY FATALLY SHOT' a twelve year old had removed the orange tip off the end off his airsoft gun. He was shot by an officer standing 10' away...it was a one paragraph blurb...nothing else...if the kid had been black..he'd be the next travon...

:kiss::cattail:
 
America is a brutal land. Different groups have fought for power and control of this place for centuries. White folks wiped out the Natives and brought enslaved Africans to this country. Now, with so many immigrants from the Caribbean, Latin America, China, the Arab world, India and other countries flooding ALL of America's major cities, and entire States are becoming mostly brown, black and yellow, the days of the White Majority are numbered. Before I'm dead, white folks will be minorities in the USA. And don't even THINK about falling back to Europe. The Arabs, Somalis, Turks and other Muslim immigrants in Europe are flooding the continent that spawned the white race, and the day will come when Islam and its teeming brown, black and yellow masses conquer Europe. Through breeding and war, not war alone. White folks have an infertility problem that they don't think we people of color are aware of. Their populations are going down not because of everyone else making more babies but because Jane and John White from Suburbia are shooting blanks down below...LMBAO. Welcome to the future, white boys...you're NOT in it. :D

Does "B" stand for Black in LMBAO. Oh that's it. And some silly string I still have that I bought for the Ferguson riots.
 
Oh sweet lord baby Jesus Herman Christ almighty... See what you fucking did Samuel!? You brought this hot mess of a shithead back from the dead! I'm seriously more mad at you for that than seeming like an Islamic extremist...
 
America is a brutal land. Different groups have fought for power and control of this place for centuries. White folks wiped out the Natives and brought enslaved Africans to this country. Now, with so many immigrants from the Caribbean, Latin America, China, the Arab world, India and other countries flooding ALL of America's major cities, and entire States are becoming mostly brown, black and yellow, the days of the White Majority are numbered. Before I'm dead, white folks will be minorities in the USA. And don't even THINK about falling back to Europe. The Arabs, Somalis, Turks and other Muslim immigrants in Europe are flooding the continent that spawned the white race, and the day will come when Islam and its teeming brown, black and yellow masses conquer Europe. Through breeding and war, not war alone. White folks have an infertility problem that they don't think we people of color are aware of. Their populations are going down not because of everyone else making more babies but because Jane and John White from Suburbia are shooting blanks down below...LMBAO. Welcome to the future, white boys...you're NOT in it. :D
Well then...if i'm not in it...I'll simply win it.
Hi.
 
Unfortunately'race'is, has been and always will be,a political movement...travon Martin...Ferguson..etc..is government lead...if travon had been white our if the officer in Ferguson had been black we wouldn't even know about these incidents. I read an article in the paper today, TWELVE YEAR OLD BOY FATALLY SHOT' a twelve year old had removed the orange tip off the end off his airsoft gun. He was shot by an officer standing 10' away...it was a one paragraph blurb...nothing else...if the kid had been black..he'd be the next travon...

He was black, einstein.
 
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