So, Virginity...

[HussarVanburen]

Both sexes equally give up, give away or lose their status as virgins.

But the value of virginity is less in men because they are not possessed, but possess.

Your position appears to be very marital in scope, with the implied goal of women being virgins until married/"possessed" by their husbands. Do you feel men should enter the marriage bed as virgins, as well?

Ideally, men should not lower themselves by bedding lesser women. However, the status that a man loses by doing so is usually less than for a woman. So it is not as great a fault for a man to be a "virgin" on his wedding night. Though yes: Ideally, he should not have fucked random whores. It shows a great lack of character to do so.

 

[satindesire]

I've figured it out!

HVb is actually Glenn Beck in disguise!

HAHAHAHAHA *dying!*

 

[knot_sweet]

I wonder if HVb has a Mrs Troll at home??

Hope not...

I wonder if the concept of a sexually dominant woman makes his tiny mind explode??

 

[Lrn_The_Ropes]

Thinking, and it may be a bad thing.

So following this post over the last several days it seems to have evolved into a "mine is bigger than your's contest" and the question that was originally asked was lost in the process. When I first came to Lit, not that long ago, the D/s relationship was explained to me like this "it was what the couple, defined it as." This information helped me greatly. I have read other posting and seem to define my version of being a Dom as Vanillia with ribbons of Chocolate and Carmel mixed in. Thou his may offend the purist out there it is against my upbringing to treat a woman like a "hole or dumpster." submissives are to be treasured and taken care of, thy are not to be used and abused. Oh, so to answer the question, it seems like the girl no women have more to swing around than some of the caught in the dark ages men that have responded. My name is LTR: is is my opinion and I'm sticking to it!

 

[satindesire]

I wonder if HVb has a Mrs Troll at home??

Hope not...

I wonder if the concept of a sexually dominant woman makes his tiny mind explode??

No no, ALL women are slaves just "waiting for the right Master". Like all lesbians are "just waiting for the right Man"

Remember, the WISDOM OF THE AGES when women with red hair were burned at the stake for witchcraft and getting a cold was a sign that you were a sinner. YAY DARK AGES! They were soooo wiiiiiiise!

So following this post over the last several days it seems to have evolved into a "mine is bigger than your's contest" and the question that was originally asked was lost in the process. When I first came to Lit, not that long ago, the D/s relationship was explained to me like this "it was what the couple, defined it as." This information helped me greatly. I have read other posting and seem to define my version of being a Dom as Vanillia with ribbons of Chocolate and Carmel mixed in. Thou his may offend the purist out there it is against my upbringing to treat a woman like a "hole or dumpster." submissives are to be treasured and taken care of, thy are not to be used and abused. Oh, so to answer the question, it seems like the girl no women have more to swing around than some of the caught in the dark ages men that have responded. My name is LTR: is is my opinion and I'm sticking to it!

Yeah, give me some skin! *highfive!*

 

[HussarVanburen]

No no, ALL women are slaves just "waiting for the right Master". Like all lesbians are "just waiting for the right Man"

Remember, the WISDOM OF THE AGES when women with red hair were burned at the stake for witchcraft and getting a cold was a sign that you were a sinner. YAY DARK AGES! They were soooo wiiiiiiise!

Are you insane? Or just stupid? Do you seriously believe that people burnt red headed women as witches?

You do realize that QUEEN ELIZABETH was a redhead, yes?

That this would literally have depopulated vast swaths of Europe.

 

[Ropebunny]

Are you insane? Or just stupid? Do you seriously believe that people burnt red headed women as witches?

You do realize that QUEEN ELIZABETH was a redhead, yes?

That this would literally have depopulated vast swaths of Europe.

Geez, not EVERY red-haired woman was burnt at the stake.

It's not all or nothing you know. Oh wait, you obviously don't know.

For someone that talks a big talk you really seem to know very little about anything.

 

[Sir_Winston54]

Are you insane? Or just stupid? Do you seriously believe that people burnt red headed women as witches?

You do realize that QUEEN ELIZABETH was a redhead, yes?

That this would literally have depopulated vast swaths of Europe.

Until you learn to write in complete sentences, rather than sentence fragments, I suggest you keep your criticism of the comparatively minor issue of others' use of apostrophes, etc., to yourself.

 

[satindesire]

Are you insane? Or just stupid? Do you seriously believe that people burnt red headed women as witches?

You do realize that QUEEN ELIZABETH was a redhead, yes?

That this would literally have depopulated vast swaths of Europe.

I'm assuming you have use of the internet, I suggest you educate yourself to the "wisdom of the ages". The burning of redheaded women as witches is well documented. For someone who claims that they know "the wisdom of the ages" you certainly don't seem to know much about those ages.

 

[HussarVanburen]

I'm assuming you have use of the internet, I suggest you educate yourself to the "wisdom of the ages". The burning of redheaded women as witches is well documented. For someone who claims that they know "the wisdom of the ages" you certainly don't seem to know much about those ages.

There is actually no historical evidence that this was a widespread belief. Red hair was associated with Judaism, and there is apparently a reference to a distinct shade of red hair marking a vampire (presumably blood red), but there is a single thing to indicate witchcraft in association with redheads.

At the very least, women (or men) with red hair were not thrown to the flames for the simple "crime" of redhair. As I noted: There are plenty of exceedingly famous red haired people, most notably Henry VIII and Elizabeth I, who certainly were not accused of witchery, or suffered any fate of the sort.

Generally speaking, there wasn't much in the way of witch burnings anyway. The Wiccan "burning times" fiasco has been conclusively demonstrated to be nonsense.

 

[Stella_Omega]

So following this post over the last several days it seems to have evolved into a "mine is bigger than your's contest" and the question that was originally asked was lost in the process. When I first came to Lit, not that long ago, the D/s relationship was explained to me like this "it was what the couple, defined it as." This information helped me greatly. I have read other posting and seem to define my version of being a Dom as Vanillia with ribbons of Chocolate and Carmel mixed in. Thou his may offend the purist out there it is against my upbringing to treat a woman like a "hole or dumpster." submissives are to be treasured and taken care of, thy are not to be used and abused. Oh, so to answer the question, it seems like the girl no women have more to swing around than some of the caught in the dark ages men that have responded. My name is LTR: is is my opinion and I'm sticking to it!

And that is the truth. It's been fun to watch you find your definitions, too!

 

[satindesire]

There is actually no historical evidence that this was a widespread belief. Red hair was associated with Judaism, and there is apparently a reference to a distinct shade of red hair marking a vampire (presumably blood red), but there is a single thing to indicate witchcraft in association with redheads.

At the very least, women (or men) with red hair were not thrown to the flames for the simple "crime" of redhair. As I noted: There are plenty of exceedingly famous red haired people, most notably Henry VIII and Elizabeth I, who certainly were not accused of witchery, or suffered any fate of the sort.

Generally speaking, there wasn't much in the way of witch burnings anyway. The Wiccan "burning times" fiasco has been conclusively demonstrated to be nonsense.

There's actually plenty of evidence that tens of thousands of people were burned at the stake for Witchcraft, and having red or black hair is one of the ways people "proved" that the person in question was in league with the Devil. Obviously not -every single person- with red/black hair was burned. Some does not equal all. You don't seem to be able to understand this concept, but since you can't seem to grasp MANY concepts, that doesn't surprise me in the least.

 

[KoPilot]

Hussar, what's your opinion on left-handed people?

 

[FurryFury]

It is unlikely that the first person you have sex with will be the last person you'll have sex with. I was once caught in the virginity B.S. I so wish I could get those years back now and have had MORE sex.

Communication between you and anyone you are considering a relationship with is essential.

Likewise experimentation will lead you in the right direction which is to yourself.

BDSM does not have to be 24/7 and for many is not. It's a big umbrella, you can therefore, just can have fun looking at and trying different people and things.

I wish I could just find a Master and completely and fully give all that I am to him, but I am afraid that to go straight from nearly 100% pure and virginal to a BDSM lifestyle would be too daunting and would permanently alter my psyche. There is no doubt in my mind that I am sexually submissive.
So, I am not sure what steps to take. Suppose I do find a man I approve of and want to be with, but he find this... dirty, and undeniable part of myself intolerable? Is it possible to be in a happy, and somewhat vanilla relationship with a Dom that is content not to be 24/7? Won't that dominance leak into our personal lives as well? I have been... enjoying BDSM and bondage erotica for 2 years now, but as life starts to progress, I am needing some advice. And this isn't really the kind of thing I would bring up with my girlfriends at book club or at work. Any thoughts?

 

[satindesire]

Hussar, what's your opinion on left-handed people?

The "Wisdom of the Ages" states that left-handed people are sinful, and should be punished with whacks to the back of the hand with a ruler by a stern and sexless nun until they write with their right hand, as "wisdom" decrees.

 

[BrightlyGo]

Generally speaking, there wasn't much in the way of witch burnings anyway. The Wiccan "burning times" fiasco has been conclusively demonstrated to be nonsense.

As if hanging, trial-by-ordeal, and/or general persecution was so much better. Burning at the stake did happen, it just wasn't the only, nor even the most common, penalty for witchcraft or heresy.

And, red-heads or 'gingers' still face discrimination in Europe, particularly Britain.

 

[Primalex]

There's actually plenty of evidence that tens of thousands of people were burned at the stake for Witchcraft, and having red or black hair is one of the ways people "proved" that the person in question was in league with the Devil. Obviously not -every single person- with red/black hair was burned. Some does not equal all. You don't seem to be able to understand this concept, but since you can't seem to grasp MANY concepts, that doesn't surprise me in the least.

So the fact that not all red-haired people were burned, proves that red-haired people were burned because of their red hair?

 

[Ropebunny]

So the fact that not all red-haired people were burned, proves that red-haired people were burned because of their red hair?

Of course not. You're so right Primalex. *swoons*

Because it's not like there were/are different communities and cultures all over Europe, some of which believed red-headed women were witches and burnt them at the stake, while other did not.

Couldn't possibly have ANYTHING to do with that could it.

How illogical.

 

[HussarVanburen]

There's actually plenty of evidence that tens of thousands of people were burned at the stake for Witchcraft, and having red or black hair is one of the ways people "proved" that the person in question was in league with the Devil. Obviously not -every single person- with red/black hair was burned. Some does not equal all. You don't seem to be able to understand this concept, but since you can't seem to grasp MANY concepts, that doesn't surprise me in the least.

If there is so much proof, please show me any historical reference to red haired witchery? I find only vague assertions in any source that suggests red hair had ANY connection.

Certainly, having BLACK HAIR could hardly be called a reason. Dark hair is extremely common in Europe (though less so than, say, China).

I can't find a single reference in any surviving testament of witch burnings that gives "red hair" as a definitive link to being a Satan worshipper.

 

[HussarVanburen]

As if hanging, trial-by-ordeal, and/or general persecution was so much better. Burning at the stake did happen, it just wasn't the only, nor even the most common, penalty for witchcraft or heresy.

Generally speaking, witch trial statistics cover all such forms of punishment.

Heresy is quite distinct form witchcraft, by the way. Giordano Bruno was killed for heresy, but he was not at all guilty of the crime of witchery.

And, red-heads or 'gingers' still face discrimination in Europe, particularly Britain.

No they don't. No one seriously discriminates against the red haired. Being teased for being ugly is not discrimination.

 

[HussarVanburen]

The "Wisdom of the Ages" states that left-handed people are sinful, and should be punished with whacks to the back of the hand with a ruler by a stern and sexless nun until they write with their right hand, as "wisdom" decrees.

The primary reason for teaching right handedness was penmansship. Ever try writing with a fountain pen with your left hand in a left-to-right language such as English?

Yeah, it's called smudge city: Population, you.

This is why left handed folks tend to write with a distinct "clawed" approach, so as to approximate a right handedness.

Very few people were thought to be evil because of left handedness. Sinister does come from the latin for left handed, but people were not condemned for left handedness.

 

[Primalex]

Because it's not like there were/are different communities and cultures all over Europe, some of which believed red-headed women were witches and burnt them at the stake, while other did not.

Which culture or community in Europe did believe that?

Couldn't possibly have ANYTHING to do with that could it.

Shouting does not make a wrong statement right. Not even when you add irony.

 

[Sir_Winston54]

Which culture or community in Europe did believe that?

If you were Google-literate, qp, you would quickly have found this information at the myths and history of red hair.co.uk:

"Red hair was apparently a sign of witchcraft in Christian Europe and it's said that it was often seen as a marker of guilt in the eyes of witch finders. To what extent this is true we'll probably never truly know, but it does appear from the evidence that red hair was certainly seen as untrustworthy and something that aroused suspicion."​

The author goes on to provide more specific examples.

At Wikipedia, you would have found this:

"Montague Summers, in his translation of the Malleus Maleficarum,[57] notes that red hair and green eyes were thought to be the sign of a witch, a werewolf or a vampire during the Middle Ages;

Those whose hair is red, of a certain peculiar shade, are unmistakably vampires. It is significant that in ancient Egypt, as Manetho tells us, human sacrifices were offered at the grave of Osiris, and the victims were red-haired men who were burned, their ashes being scattered far and wide by winnowing-fans. It is held by some authorities that this was done to fertilize the fields and produce a bounteous harvest, red-hair symbolizing the golden wealth of the corn. But these men were called Typhonians, and were representatives not of Osiris but of his evil rival Typhon, whose hair was red,"​

and much more.

Shouting does not make a wrong statement right. Not even when you add irony.

The capitalization of one word or phrase in a sentence is not usually considered to be "online shouting," but rather emphasis upon that word or phrase.

 

[Ropebunny]

Thank you for your post Sir_Winston; I really didn't have the motivation to prove anyone wrong today, least of all Primalex.

 

[HussarVanburen]

If you were Google-literate, qp, you would quickly have found this information at the myths and history of red hair.co.uk:

"Red hair was apparently a sign of witchcraft in Christian Europe and it's said that it was often seen as a marker of guilt in the eyes of witch finders. To what extent this is true we'll probably never truly know, but it does appear from the evidence that red hair was certainly seen as untrustworthy and something that aroused suspicion."​

The author goes on to provide more specific examples.

So an unsourced statement on a webpage is sufficient for you to believe? Which then goes on to say: To what extent this is true we'll probably never know...

At Wikipedia, you would have found this:

"Montague Summers, in his translation of the Malleus Maleficarum,[57] notes that red hair and green eyes were thought to be the sign of a witch, a werewolf or a vampire during the Middle Ages;

Those whose hair is red, of a certain peculiar shade, are unmistakably vampires. It is significant that in ancient Egypt, as Manetho tells us, human sacrifices were offered at the grave of Osiris, and the victims were red-haired men who were burned, their ashes being scattered far and wide by winnowing-fans. It is held by some authorities that this was done to fertilize the fields and produce a bounteous harvest, red-hair symbolizing the golden wealth of the corn. But these men were called Typhonians, and were representatives not of Osiris but of his evil rival Typhon, whose hair was red,"​

and much more.

The capitalization of one word or phrase in a sentence is not usually considered to be "online shouting," but rather emphasis upon that word or phrase.

[/quote]

I had mentioned the vampire thing. Vampires are not witches. Moreover, vampires of a "very peculiar shade" (I presume blood red) of red, not every shade of red. And vampires were always dead people, not live people. You feared your uncle would come back from the grave as a vampire, but not that he would be a vampire and you wouldn't know it.