Scouries scores the nude day contest entries

[neonlyte]

Is that http://www.gov.im/lib/images/sport/squash.jpg or http://www.paulnoll.com/Oregon/Canning/canning-pickled-squash.jpg ?

I'll take the zucchinni

 

[Sex and Death]

Thanks for the article references.

Asking for some marginally obscure info about past posts or submisisons around here is like going into a Nancy Drew and Hardy Boys convention and saying, "Hey, I can't find my car keys!"



P.S. Liar, labeling a smiley, Blip, the Yellow Ball of Fury, changes it's demeanor considerably. My smileys just look happy. Yours look like they're up to something.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

Authors who should know better.

Sheeeeesh... and I thought only my mother could hand out a lecture-line like that one!

Obviously you're not aware of the history of Scouries and his "reviews" ... and didn't want to wade through the holiday thread (not that I blame you). Here are a few highlights. As I said, he deleted his first post, which was a doozy... but you'll get the gist, I think, from these, which show he's got a clear agenda...

Accusations of Cheating, Vote Swapping and Corruption
A Modest Proposal
Literotica Announces New Contest Rules

This isn't a "nude day contest" thing... this is something that he has carried over, and obviously carried with him, for quite a while...

His feedback isn't 'criticism' as far as I'm concerned... it's simply opinion, and a very jaded one at that.

I actually sort of like Scouries' wit and sense of humor and the absurd, and I appreciate where he's coming from (I was one of the few on the old thread willing to look past his bitterness to his actual valid points!) but what's old now is the "same old angry argument" and this isn't coming in the form of a debate, it's coming as a subtle attack on the system using the guise of feedback on Literotica contest entrants' stories as ammunition.

If you don't see it or don't want to look at the history and find out, that's fine. If you want to check it out and still disagree, hey, go for it! Free country and all that... lots of opinions...

But I gotta say, I really don't appreciate the lecture about "knowing better"... Mom...

 

[minsue]

Sheeeeesh... and I thought only my mother could hand out a lecture-line like that one!

You were wrong.

Obviously you're not aware of the history of Scouries and his "reviews" ... and didn't want to wade through the holiday thread (not that I blame you). Here are a few highlights. As I said, he deleted his first post, which was a doozy... but you'll get the gist, I think, from these, which show he's got a clear agenda...

Accusations of Cheating, Vote Swapping and Corruption
A Modest Proposal
Literotica Announces New Contest Rules

This isn't a "nude day contest" thing... this is something that he has carried over, and obviously carried with him, for quite a while...

Just to make sure I've got this right - anyone who makes an ass of oneself has no right to opinions on stories. Got it. Check.

His feedback isn't 'criticism' as far as I'm concerned... it's simply opinion, and a very jaded one at that.

All story votes are opinion, as is most criticism. But I suppose the above rule is the problem here again. Got it. Check.

I actually sort of like Scouries' wit and sense of humor and the absurd, and I appreciate where he's coming from (I was one of the few on the old thread willing to look past his bitterness to his actual valid points!) but what's old now is the "same old angry argument" and this isn't coming in the form of a debate, it's coming as a subtle attack on the system using the guise of feedback on Literotica contest entrants' stories as ammunition.

Repeating an argument and/or repeatedly making an ass of oneself makes said opinions invalid. Got it. Check.

If you don't see it or don't want to look at the history and find out, that's fine. If you want to check it out and still disagree, hey, go for it! Free country and all that... lots of opinions...

That's mighty big of you.

But I gotta say, I really don't appreciate the lecture about "knowing better"... Mom...

Don't worry. It was just an opinion therefore invalid.

I very much disagreed with some of the scores given so far. However, I disagree even more with the prima donna attitude that is so prevelant among authors here, that any vote that is less than a 4 is "trolling", as well as discounting someone's vote simply because you don't like them.

 

[neonlyte]

"Remember...No Niggers...Northerners, they're OK, Latinos, definitely, Russians, Germans, Italians...even bloody Frenchmen...Asians sure, but...no...niggers."

 

[Guest]

"Remember...No Niggers...Northerners, they're OK, Latinos, definitely, Russians, Germans, Italians...even bloody Frenchmen...Asians sure, but...no...niggers."

No squash.

 

[neonlyte]

No squash.

it's an extract from S's latest, about a tenth of the way down the first page.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

I very much disagreed with some of the scores given so far. However, I disagree even more with the prima donna attitude that is so prevelant among authors here, that any vote that is less than a 4 is "trolling", as well as discounting someone's vote simply because you don't like them.

Voting less than a "4" isn't trolling as far as I'm concerned...

and I said, I actually kind if like him... and even defended several of his valid points in the past, in the midst of him making as ass out of himself...

I'm laughing to myself, because while in the past I got my ass chewed for DEFENDING his points, I'm now getting my ass chewed for pointing out how he's using the AH contests as a shooting gallery... *snort*

As S&D said, and I agree, there is a difference between criticism and opinion. And we all know what they say about opinions... and assholes...

so if it's an opinion, it's just as valid as... well, any asshole... *shrug*

and that includes my own.

 

[3 Legged Donkey]

Says in very best Rizzo voice:

"Some people are so touchy."

 

[Selena_Kitt]

it's an extract from S's latest, about a tenth of the way down the first page.

the one with the most votes on Literotica in 2006, you mean?

 

[minsue]

it's an extract from S's latest, about a tenth of the way down the first page.

And taken completely out of context. Following that line is - "We don't use that word anymore Amanda," I corrected...

And what does that have to do with any of this??


Aaargh, dammit! You all have me defending someone I don't even know and, based on past posts, probably wouldn't like, simply because of the attacks. I hate that! If you're going to take issue, take issue with the reviews themselves.

I'm out.

 

[3 Legged Donkey]

the one with the most votes on Literotica in 2006, you mean?

Fuck me, you must have a good agent.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

Fuck me, you must have a good agent.

*snort* It isn't MINE... It's Scouries... at least, I THINK it is?

Aaargh, dammit! You all have me defending someone I don't even know and, based on past posts, probably wouldn't like, simply because of the attacks. I hate that! If you're going to take issue, take issue with the reviews themselves.

*cracking up*

I'm actually taking the opposite tact... how the hell did I get here?

Look, Scouries, dude... I think you're kinda funny, and you've had some valid points, but as someone once told me here, and I hope I'm going to learn this lesson VERY soon... your message can get VERY lost if you're trying to deliver it with a hammer.

Categorically tearing people's stories down (even subtly under the guise of "Feedback") isn't the way to get your message heard... kwim?

to quote someone else 'round here...

I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'...

 

[3 Legged Donkey]

*snort* It isn't MINE... It's Scouries... at least, I THINK it is?






*cracking up*

Oh. I'm just a stooooopid donkey. Fuck me anyway?

 

[matriarch]

*snort* It isn't MINE... It's Scouries... at least, I THINK it is?






*cracking up*

I'm actually taking the opposite tact... how the hell did I get here?

Look, Scouries, dude... I think you're kinda funny, and you've had some valid points, but as someone once told me here, and I hope I'm going to learn this lesson VERY soon... your message can get VERY lost if you're trying to deliver it with a hammer.

Categorically tearing people's stories down (even subtly under the guise of "Feedback") isn't the way to get your message heard... kwim?

to quote someone else 'round here...

I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'...

Then..........*scratching my head in consternation*.......why not simply ignore him??? He is but one voter/critic.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

Oh. I'm just a stooooopid donkey. Fuck me anyway?

sorry, bestiality isn't allowed on Lit...

 

[3 Legged Donkey]

sorry, bestiality isn't allowed on Lit...

Story of my sad, pathetic, lonely life...


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[Lauren Hynde]

But I gotta say, I really don't appreciate the lecture about "knowing better"... Mom...

My intention wasn't to lecture anyone, and least of all you. The "knowing better" was actually a compliment. I don't expect 90% of the authors here to know better - queue to start hating me, but more on that later - but I expect the best ones, the ones who are unafraid and trying to improve, to know better. To know how to take something useful out of all feedback, no matter how negative or skewed or biased, or to know how to ignore it altogether if you have reason to believe it is nothing but politics. Making Minsue's words my own, "If you're going to take issue, take issue with the reviews themselves." If you have nothing nice to say... (Fuck, just shoot me now!)

Anyway, I didn't post here to start a war. My annoyance level at the author reactions in this thread were minimal, actually, but it is just one too many. I'm sick and tired of this sort of thing happening every time someone posts honest opinion/feedback/criticism (if you think there's a difference). And more, but I'm not going into it right now. Blah, I just needed to scream. Grow up, people. There, another mom-moment.

 

[TheEarl]

I'm gonna have to back up Min here. I tend to take people one post at a time on Lit and just because someone's been a cock in the past doesn't mean that he can't redeem himself in the future.

He's not endeared himself to me by yelling at Cloudy in the past, but the reviews I read appeared pretty much without personal bias. The scores are all comparatively low, but he's being consistent, working to a particular reasoning and appears to be attempting to RVC them all, so that's not really a problem in my book. He's providing reasoned critiques, which are a rarity and to be honest, I don't see how they're affected at all by his past arguments with AHers.

The Earl

 

[neonlyte]

And taken completely out of context. Following that line is - "We don't use that word anymore Amanda," I corrected...

And what does that have to do with any of this??


Aaargh, dammit! You all have me defending someone I don't even know and, based on past posts, probably wouldn't like, simply because of the attacks. I hate that! If you're going to take issue, take issue with the reviews themselves.

I'm out.

Min,
It wasn't taken out of context. It wasn't even the word I objected to. Nigger has a justifiable place in contemporary fiction. I'm looking at sentence construction, punctuation and wondering why a guy who writes in that style feels he can critisise the length of my sentences or the style of my story in a catagory he freely admits he does not like and because he does not like it, marked me down.

I actually don't give a rats fuck for the argument here. Scouries is freely entitled to express any opinion he chooses, even ones that I don't agree with across the board.

When someone sets themselves up as an 'opinion maker' as he is choosing to do by placing his reviews on the forum, the least he can do is ensure he is speaking from a position of strength.

STORY 3 ‘Change’ by rrickgauer
Another new author to this reviewer. Again, like caprine above, the sex was okay and the length of read fine.
2 or 3? Wasn’t sure, but gave it the benefit of the doubt. But what does this story have to do with Nude Day? It wasn’t bad, but I felt as I read it that I’d already read much the same story fifty times on this site. Nothing that makes it special.

This from a guy 80% (24 out of 30) of whom's output is in a single catagory.

3 Another bloody three! Why? Well, what does this story have to do with Nude Day? Nothing! It’s a piss off to have to give a three when it could have been a 4 or 5. Also the paragraphs were too long, made it hard to read. Also, you lost points for using an already established character.
I see you have another story. Hopefully that one is original and on theme. I like your style.

Well yes, S only writes one sentence narrative.

2 I just didn’t like. The writing style was too jerky for my taste, nothing to do with nudism, too predictable throughout.

And incest isn't predictable on Lit?

STORY 8 ‘If Clothes Make the Man’ by Salvor-Hardon

The only writing so far that truly addresses the theme.

1 But I’m not interested in Essays, I want to read a story. We have enough essay contests around here. This is a fiction contest. I also found the paragraphs too long (hard to read on the Lit page) and, although well meant perhaps, the arguments superficial.

How can you rationalise the first sentence with what follows? WTF - why penalise the guy because he followed the brief but S doesn't fucking like ESSAYS. And waht is all this hard to read on a Lit page shit!!!

STORY 10 ‘Sexual Politics’ by Neonlyte

Another new author for me. A serious story, but unfortunately it’s in the dreaded ‘Romance’ category. Better written than most, a real attempt at a plot.

3 I had it at about 3.45, unfortunately just short of being rounded up to 4. I don’t like the Romance category which hurt you, and frankly, for this site, the sex just wasn’t good enough. The Nude Day parade angle seemed like a last minute gimmick thrown in only to qualify a story, already written (or planned), for the contest.
I wish you had split some of the longer paragraphs; it was brutal reading on the little Literotica screen (Christ, why don’t they devote more of the screen to the actual story?). Ultimately, the plot, the characters were just too complicated for the short story format. Everything seemed so pushed together and rushed. It seemed like half a full length book was crammed into three lit pages. It was a struggle to follow.
But in many ways a step way above most work here. Definately the hardest story so far to score.

Exactly what is it that troubles you?
- a catagory you don't like?
- the size of the Lit screen?
- paragraphs that are too long?
- or that it was too hard to score?
so what the fuck - lets give it three.

NOW HERE IS THE DOZY

STORY 11 ‘Maggie’ by Robert12

Finally, a story written for the contest! Although maybe it should be called National Sex Day! And whoever warned you about writing in the romance category if you want to win wasn’t kidding. However after looking at your bio and seeing you’re a veteran of the ‘Loving Wives’ category, I know you are prepared for anything.

? I’m not sure yet – probably a 4? Original, funny, sexy enough. You, in a very short story, were able to create a real, living little world, a damn hard job. With just a few sentences I was walking with Maggie.
My only complaint was the editing, both the obvious mistakes that one commenter pointed out, but also some awkward paragraph construction that a couple of times made me go back to try and figure out exactly what you were trying to say.
All in all, it was first-rate. In a couple of days, after I’ve read more of the entries, I’ll come back and score it. Good work. A potential prize winner.

if you want to complain about editing - for fuck sake make sure you are standing on firm ground. I'm a piss poor editor - which is why I ask for so much help - but I'd never post the error strewn sentences S post.

If you want to judge - admit your own weaknesses before passing judgement on others.

<end of rant>

EDIT TO ADD: You all know me, I don't do this lightly.

 

[TheEarl]

"Remember...No Niggers...Northerners, they're OK, Latinos, definitely, Russians, Germans, Italians...even bloody Frenchmen...Asians sure, but...no...niggers."

That sounds like a line out of a Steven King book. A character's words do not necessarily reflect the views of the author.

The Earl

 

[Selena_Kitt]

My intention wasn't to lecture anyone, and least of all you. The "knowing better" was actually a compliment. I don't expect 90% of the authors here to know better - queue to start hating me, but more on that later - but I expect the best ones, the ones who are unafraid and trying to improve, to know better. To know how to take something useful out of all feedback, no matter how negative or skewed or biased, or to know how to ignore it altogether if you have reason to believe it is nothing but politics. Making Minsue's words my own, "If you're going to take issue, take issue with the reviews themselves." If you have nothing nice to say... (Fuck, just shoot me now!)

Anyway, I didn't post here to start a war. My annoyance level at the author reactions in this thread were minimal, actually, but it is just one too many. I'm sick and tired of this sort of thing happening every time someone posts honest opinion/feedback/criticism (if you think there's a difference). And more, but I'm not going into it right now. Blah, I just needed to scream. Grow up, people. There, another mom-moment.

I actually agree with you Lauren... but like you don't expect 90% of the authors to "know better"... I don't expect 90% of the criticism to be... constructive, shall we say?

That aside... have you been to the review thread we started? Your comments might serve more there (well, in the thread we have to keep the review thread clean, anyway).

I think you picked a battle here in the midst of a one-man-war... we (at least, I) wasn't really taking his criticism seriously because even if there's some truth in it, I had to consider the source... you assessed his criticism as "honest." I do not. There's the difference.

I agree I should have just walked away... that's my issue. I get pissed off that someone is using something as a platform, and it just irks me, and BLAH! Stuff flies out of my mouth... er... off my keyboard... before I can think. So I made a snide comment to him, rather than a serious one... it was my mitigated response. Should have either shut up and not said anything OR let him have it, I suppose.

 

[neonlyte]

the one with the most votes on Literotica in 2006, you mean?

No. 24 of his 30 stories are in a single catagory. 4 are in the top 500, the extract does not come from one of the 4.



That's it, I'm out of here.
Bye

 

[Lauren Hynde]

I'm looking at sentence construction, punctuation and wondering why a guy who writes in that style feels he can critisise the length of my sentences or the style of my story in a catagory he freely admits he does not like and because he does not like it, marked me down.

...

If you want to judge - admit your own weaknesses before passing judgement on others.

OK, one more thing, but only because I have to answer this.

Neon, that is the lamest, weakest excuse and the first one that all thin-skinned would-be writers go for when receiving a negative review. Please don't go there. Can you imagine Saramago or Gunter Grass responding to someone who just told them that they didn't like the structure of Blindness or a particular paragraph of The Tin Drum: "Oh yeah? Well, how many Nobel Prizes in Literature did you win?" To have a valid opinion/feedback/criticism on a story or novel, one needs only to be able to read it and formulate that opinion/feedback/criticism. Whether or not that person is capable of doing better is entirely irrelevant. "If you're going to take issue, take issue with the reviews themselves."

 

[neonlyte]

OK, one more thing, but only because I have to answer this.

Neon, that is the lamest, weakest excuse and the first one that all thin-skinned would-be writers go for when receiving a negative review. Please don't go there. Can you imagine Saramago or Gunter Grass responding to someone who just told them that they didn't like the structure of Blindness or a particular paragraph of The Tin Drum: "Oh yeah? Well, how many Nobel Prizes in Literature did you win?" To have a valid opinion/feedback/criticism on a story or novel, one needs only to be able to read it and formulate that opinion/feedback/criticism. Whether or not that person is capable of doing better is entirely irrelevant. "If you're going to take issue, take issue with the reviews themselves."

Lauren,
i said before, in a post you might not have seen so I'll quote it below:

Lauren,
I take your point, and I wasn't specifically complaining about Scouries review. I'd rather receive honest opinion than bland acknowledgement.

I could take issue with the idea that a story is marked down because the reader doesn't enjoy the catagory - that is not objective review.

I could take issue with the 'tacked-on' Nude day comment. The beginning of the story clearly establishes a conflict between the couple. The resolution, contrived as it may be in the context of Nude Day theme, marks a step in a clearly established relationship, she conceeds to his wishes to appear nude in public because it is important in the relationship context.

The other comments about story structure are fine, and possibly valid to a degree, worth re-examining. As for sex, well I am a new author for Scouries, if he'd read any of my other work he'd have found I don't generally include sex as the main thrust of my stories, but he wasn't to know.

Then I went and took a look at his work.