Questions for subs..

[pet petra]

In my experience, I have yet to cross the threshold into sub space. I have been close, but I find I can't get to that point. What has been your experiences that hae enabled you to cross that point? Just curious.. Petra

 

[kristydoll]

The road to subspace is a battleground for me. I can only reach that point through pain - and unfortunately, I am not a big fan of pain *grins*

But if someone can take me through that battle safely and firmly, subspace follows and it's always a wonderful experience.

Though I know what is on the other side, the battle continues every time. Go figure.

kristy

 

[pet petra]

I know what you mean about not being a fan of pain, but for some reason it turns me on. I always get to the point where I have to use my safe word..I usually blurt it right when I'm on the verge of crossing the threshold.. I suppose in time I'll be able to master the pain, but is pain really something that can be mastered?

Until then I'll keep on trying.. petra

 

[lilredwolph]

kind of sounds to me like you are focusing to much on getting to sub space and not just letting things happening, SS is not something you can force, remember your just along for the ride so stop looking for whats around the next corner and enjoy whats in front of you

 

[Red Menace]

Bondage always gets me to space faster and more reliably than pain does. And it hurts less, lol.

It's a different kind of space, though. More relaxed and introspective; very peaceful and comfortable. Pain space feels almost frantic to me. Like I'm about to jump out of my skin and I get this wild, desperate look in my eyes.

 

[serijules]

For me, there are a few things that take me into subspace, but the most intense and my most desireable, involves pain.

When I get caned, just the sight of the cane can start that push towards subspace, and each stroke after takes me deeper and deeper. Caning is a surefire way to get me into subspace.

But overall, what most pushes me into subspace is a trust for my partner and a desire to be pushed further. Combine these two things with a considerable amount of pain, and I'm floating. Lovely thing, that. The bullwhip and flogging are two other implements along with caning that I always go into subspace when they are used on me.

I always say it is a serious compliment if someone I play with can take me to subspace, because it means that desire and trust factor is there, which is a compliment for any dom. However, if I TRY to reach subspace, I end up feeling very unfullfilled and never get anywhere but fustrated.

 

[Bondagebunni]

i've never been to subspace, i have never tried to get there...i have no idea what to expect, either...i just go with whatever's happening...maybe it'll happen one day...hope it does...but until then...i'm happy just enjoying the ride...question though...what does it feel like? more specific than floating...that doesn't create a good picture in my mind. do you know you're in WHILE your in it, or only after?

 

[serijules]

For me, subspace is an extreme shift in focus. Before I "get there", my focus is often disturbed by whats going on around me, by my own nervous or excited thoughts, and the pain is not as welcome.

Once I'm in subspace, the only focus is my partner and what they are doing to me, and the sensations are extremely heightened. I can take so much more, go so much further. Things that are happening around you are suddenly of no importance....when I fall into subspace when I am in front of a lot of people, my fears about nudity and my shyness and nervousness totally fades away. As far as I'm concerned right then, there is no one there but me, my partner, and the sensations they are giving me, and those sensations are twice as wonderful as before.

When I hit subspace, I get the shakes...my whole body starts trembling. I definitely know I'm in subspace, and welcome it, but my mind is blissfully blank from caring about anything else but the pain and pleasure right then. It's all about endorphines really.

Some people compare subspace to drinking. Not that you act drunk, but for a lot of people, subspace allows them to do things and go places in their mind and tolerance that they normally would not be able or willing to do, kind of like how you are no longer inhibited by shyness when you have had a few drinks. Some compare it to an athletes high, where you push your body so hard physically and suddenly get to a point where it doesn't seem as physically taxing as before and you can run longer, work harder, (or be caned harder or spanked harder *grin*)

That being said, it's a different 'trip' for everyone, but that is my experience in it, and I am fortunate to be able to slip into subspace fairly easily with the right type of sensations. However, the only things I hate about being in subspace during a scene is I usually feel selfish later on because my focus is very much on myself and I lose thoughts of pleasing my partner. But many Doms enjoy being able to inflict that level of sensation and watch my reactions, so they enjoy it as well, there is just less interaction so sometimes I feel guilty.

I also feel dissapointed when the scene stops because I feel like I can go on forever. So in a way, subspace is dangerous too...for some, their ability to judge what their body really can handle, is dulled. I always have to depend on my partners to say when enough is enough, but it often leaves me feeling dissapointed because I want more.

Sorry so long winded....fav subject of mine

 

[Goddess Helia]

Bondage always gets me to space faster and more reliably than pain does. And it hurts less, lol.

That is how it is for me. Once he starts to collar me and cuff me, I just melt into it. He is the wind that I soar on. It is when he is quiet and making me mentally and verbally go out of my comfort area that I'm in the zone.

From that point light whipping places me further and further into subspace. If it is a more rough treatment of my body I go into a more predatorial sexual place. The more I am pushed the more I just want to please him sexually. It's kinda weird. I have the desire and urge to perform oral on him that he almost has to restrain me from being too rough with him.

I think he has trained me so slowly over time to be this way, that it is a part of me.

If it goes too far into real pain, I am snappned out of it so fast you wouldn't link. Then I just want to be held quietly.

It's a fine balance. One that we are just learning about.

Helia

 

[slvjenn]

That is how it is for me. Once he starts to collar me and cuff me, I just melt into it.

I'm glad you posted this, as I read the thread I was beginning to wonder why I went into it so easily.

For me, while i'm not there, it seems so scarey of a state. Not quite comfortable saying why...but anyway...

To describe it..hrmm.. I get a kind of tunnel vision, except the walls of the tunnel are white, everything kind of has a white halo around it. Chairs, people, everything. Yes, floating is also kinda a good way to say it. My arms and body kind of feel heavy though, like in a more dense type of water.

I wouldn't relate it to being drunk. This isn't a common drug, so likely not many will relate, but I'd say it is more similar for me to being on Valum. I feel so mellow and easygoing. Another reason it seems similar is that Valum tends to make you forget what you did while on it. While I don't forget what happend while in subspace things do feel a bit fuzzy.

 

[Bondagebunni]

ooh! thanks to everyone for posting that stuff...very interesting...hope i make it to subspace one day...that would be a happy thing. *wants to know more*

 

[bharman4102]

I'm glad you posted this, as I read the thread I was beginning to wonder why I went into it so easily.

For me, while i'm not there, it seems so scarey of a state. Not quite comfortable saying why...but anyway...

To describe it..hrmm.. I get a kind of tunnel vision, except the walls of the tunnel are white, everything kind of has a white halo around it. Chairs, people, everything. Yes, floating is also kinda a good way to say it. My arms and body kind of feel heavy though, like in a more dense type of water.

I wouldn't relate it to being drunk. This isn't a common drug, so likely not many will relate, but I'd say it is more similar for me to being on Valum. I feel so mellow and easygoing. Another reason it seems similar is that Valum tends to make you forget what you did while on it. While I don't forget what happend while in subspace things do feel a bit fuzzy.

amazing description, incredibly curious now!

 

[tyiana]

getting to subspace

In my experience, I have yet to cross the threshold into sub space. I have been close, but I find I can't get to that point. What has been your experiences that hae enabled you to cross that point? Just curious.. Petra

OK, I read this one a day ago and have been seriously thinking about it since. I regularly go into sub-space when my Dom has me restrained and it using a heavy flogger on me. I have never until now thought really closely about how exactly I get there. Well now I have, it has been an education for me breaking things down and actually finding out what happens step by step.
I wont say this is the way of it for everyone but this is how I find I get into sub space. Firstly while my Dom is tying me down, I find that my body and mind begin to relax, the tighter the bondage the more secure I feel. This sense of security seems to trigger a different mindset, and I think that is actually my first step down the ladder into sub space.
I used to power lift years ago so pain is not something I have ever feared, I learnt then to use the pain to push myself further and to channel it so that I could persevere, and I think I use a similar process to reach sub space.
The first few strikes of the flogger usually really hurt, the trick is not to stiffen yourself up in anticipation of the blow hitting. That usually takes me about five or six strokes to achieve, once I can relax when the blows hit I can then use my mind to channel the pain to where I want to use it.
After a while I find that I am using the pain to move further away from it so to speak down the ladder into sub-space. The pain seems to act like a booster giving me little shoves downwards. The only way I know I am there is when there is effectively no more pain just pleasure from each strike.
I don’t know if this has helped at all, and I apologise if it is a bit jumbled. I have never really investigated what actually happens until now, so it is quite new to me as well, but I guess it is all part and parcel of getting to know yourself and who you are.

 

[Bondagebunni]

*contemplates* interesting...thanks for sharing!

 

[Goddess Helia]

You are welcome, slvjenn.

I liked your description. I kinda think of it as a "softening of time and space". It's like everything slows down and speeds up at the same time. I know that might sound weird, but it is hard to describe.

At the same time I've also gone through a kinda of "Dom space". Everything sharpens and becomes so clear that it feels like I'm so strong that nothing could make me bend unless it were my will.

I've been in intense work meetings that had serious long term goals of mine at stake that I have intentionally worn my "Bitch Boots" to, knowing I would feel more powerful and in control in them. Oddly enough I've gone into that space and even though no one else knew what I was thinking or where my quiet strength came from, they felt it and knew not to fuck with me.

I guess I get that confidence from the experiences I've had in those boots. I'm not sure though.

Respectfully,
Helia

 

[Bondagebunni]

You are welcome, slvjenn.

I liked your description. I kinda think of it as a "softening of time and space". It's like everything slows down and speeds up at the same time. I know that might sound weird, but it is hard to describe.

At the same time I've also gone through a kinda of "Dom space". Everything sharpens and becomes so clear that it feels like I'm so strong that nothing could make me bend unless it were my will.

I've been in intense work meetings that had serious long term goals of mine at stake that I have intentionally worn my "Bitch Boots" to, knowing I would feel more powerful and in control in them. Oddly enough I've gone into that space and even though no one else knew what I was thinking or where my quiet strength came from, they felt it and knew not to fuck with me.

I guess I get that confidence from the experiences I've had in those boots. I'm not sure though.

Respectfully,
Helia

that's really interesting...*contemplates* Bitch boots..cool...heehee *easily amused*