Question Regarding Female Bisexuality

[XXXHacker]

As the title implies, I have a question that I could use some help on. I have a story series I'm working on (the link to it is in my signature) and I'm planning on writing the next chapter involving two female characters, both whom are cock-starved MILFs that have had their first taste of cock from the male lead, Gio, in years after both of their husbands had passed away for different reasons.

In this next chapter, I intend to have the two females become sexually involved with each other and experiment with their bisexuality. The reason for this is that these two characters are going to be the catalysts by which all of the other sexual adventures occur, and I need them to be willing to try anything sexually. But given that I'm a man and have never had a girlfriend that was interested in being bisexual, I'm looking for the Lit community to give me some help in writing this next chapter in a realistic sense.

The first female character is Peggy. She and her deceased husband had an open marriage, which has already been discussed in Chapter 2 of the series, and has had multiple male partners in the past. After her husband died in Iraq, she coped by fucking so many of her swinging partners that now, years later, she doesn't feel she can be monogamous ever again. The plan is that she is the experienced one in being with other females from her swinging lifestyle, which wasn't discussed because it wasn't relevant to the story at that time, but will be discussed in the next chapter, and she's going to push the other female character to be sexual with her.

The other female character is Tanya. Her introductory chapter is currently under approval. Her marriage was closed, and has dated other men in her life since her husband died in a construction accident. She has two daughter with whom she is close enough with both that they share all the details about their sex lives, but has never been sexually interested in them. Tanya is the character I need help with. The intent is she is the inexperienced one that is going to get persuaded by Peggy to try being bisexual with her. I'd like for her to have never thought about being bisexual prior to this chapter, but I don't know if this is realistic.

With that setup, my question is this to any bisexual women in the forums. Is it possible for a woman to have never considered being bisexual being willing to immediately try it with the first suggestion, or is this something that realistically requires time and thought before the woman is willing to try it? What might help is if you could describe what led you to try being with a woman sexually.

 

[XXXHacker]

bump....

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

"To have never considered being bisexual..."

I'm not sure that is a reality. On the other hand what you might be indicating is someone who is happily heterosexual and has not REALISTICALLY at any recent time thought about the other thing because it was never an issue - and then suddenly that person is SEDUCED by another woman into having to consider it for real and being jolted by the sudden thought of the possibility of such a thing actually being of interest to them after all.

People, I think, fail to comprehend what seduction is, and oftentimes just assume SEXUAL motivation is because EVERYONE has basic sex desires and therefore can be 'bribed' with just an offer of sex.

If you went that route though, you'd get to the situation where someone propositions someone else for sex, and the other person just looks at them and goes, 'wtf, are you kidding, d'you think just because you offer sex this is the holy grail, for godsakes?? What have you got, besides a dick or a cunt that you think should make me show you any interest?'


'I can trib.' Or 'I can scissor.' Or 'I can use my tongue REALLY well.' A hetero woman is going to go 'so the fuck what?!'

Where the challenges come from is when some lesbian or active bisexual woman says to another woman 'you know, without stalking you, or making you afraid, or changing your need for or access to, men, I can make you fall in love with me, but only if you choose to let it happen...'

OMFG. Then the game is on.

 

[LauraWilling]

I have to agree with Desiremakesmeweak. Seduction is not just sexual lust. I feel like you will need some compelling situation that can lead into seduction and then "Peggy" accepting this. Girl talk during some trying time for "Peggy" and over a period of time, maybe. Or little comments by the other character, that make Peggy curious about her friends sexuality, and finally asking about it and then thinking about it are possible approaches you might make.

Personally I do not consider myself lesbian or bi, but I found that I can enjoy being with another woman in the right situations and the right woman. Someone I know and trust. For me it did not happen in one situation or seduction. It took time for me to "digest " the idea and accept it.

 

[XXXHacker]

So it sounds like if I want this to happen in the next chapter, both females need to have previous experience with this in their backstories. Otherwise, this is a thread that would need time to play out over the course of the story.

 

[rhod101]

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[XXXHacker]

That could be the backstory that would make this work. Tanya had already had to work up the courage to present herself for fucking by the main character. This could be her opportunity to expand further. The skeleton of the story I'm thinking is:

Peggy (Experienced) and Tanya (Inexperienced) meet at the community pool
When the conversation turns to sex and both admit to getting fucked recently (not knowing it's by the same guy) 3rd female enters the conversation mentioning she's become lesbian.
Peggy admits she's been bisexual through swinging.
Tanya admits she was propositioned a few months ago and panicked.
Upon leaving the pool, Peggy invites Tanya on a girls night out.
During the course of dinner and drinks at the bar, Tanya is asking Peggy about being with a woman.
This leads to them going back to Peggy's apartment and experiments.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

I have to agree with Desiremakesmeweak. Seduction is not just sexual lust. I feel like you will need some compelling situation that can lead into seduction and then "Peggy" accepting this. Girl talk during some trying time for "Peggy" and over a period of time, maybe. Or little comments by the other character, that make Peggy curious about her friends sexuality, and finally asking about it and then thinking about it are possible approaches you might make.

Personally I do not consider myself lesbian or bi, but I found that I can enjoy being with another woman in the right situations and the right woman. Someone I know and trust. For me it did not happen in one situation or seduction. It took time for me to "digest " the idea and accept it.

Thanks LauraWilling. I'm impressed both by your outlook and willingness to even discuss this kind of thing - in real life, as you say yourself, there are many people, MANY people, who are not and do not place themselves into pigeon-holes required by current era sexual politics... I am reminded of Giorgio Armani, of whom I am a great fan, who decries the present superficial feminizing fashion that homosexual males are caricatured about in the wider media: he says he believes that 'men should be men' (his words not mine) whether they are gay or not. And at the same time he doesn't dismiss a gamine look or room for broad variations in style along a very large spectrum. (ref: your words 'the right situations, the right' woman/person...) But in RL 'the right situation' can be very very strange indeed. More on this in a moment.

I think one of the most difficult things for a male writer to enter into, is precisely the nature and often peculiar to men, subtletly of 'girl talk.' There is so much going on at tangents during such 'talk.' And it's mostly stuff many guys just won't rate as significant or important as far as two-way communication goes, or even that it is communication at all in some instances.

And so, this is difficult for a writer, and maybe ANY writer, to be able to describe so that all readers will 'get' what is being said and not just drift off from when reading.

As some of you may know, 'my' handle (name) here often includes one or other of some people who circle around the same computer(s), and, speaking from the outside position of at least one of them, I can relate of at least one incident or situation as it turned out, where - again, in REAL LIFE, which is regularly simply unbelievable and virtually impossible to convert to fiction where readers have pre-existing and very demanding assumptions sometimes before they meet your story - a friend of mine met another person at a city hotel bar and restaurant, and for reasons no one has ever been able to explain to me or apparently even to themselves that were logical, they were convinced they knew each other, never lost sight of each other the whole afternoon/evening, went back home, ended up in bed (although I am reliably told there was an incident in a bathroom, an entirely sexual incident, inclusive of other women going in and out of the area) THAT NIGHT, and have remained linked ever since, although one of them travels in a music show worldwide and is rarely here over the course of any one given whole year. Now this is totally out of character for my friend. Totally.

Unless you knew these two people and saw them physically, you could not explain or outline in words anything that a reader would suspend disbelief over. I think I am a reasonably capable writer and I cannot write satisfactorily about how it all happened (and I DO know the facts about it, trust me here - I'll tell you one of the surprising details in a moment).

Okay so then as a writer willing to stick other people's sexual lives out in the open(lol!), I am stuck with knowing one or two interesting details about the actual sex involved, but really, never ever being able to give a reader a genuinely realistic story about how things ever got to that place between those two.

Would that we writers could get away with 'hey, they fell in love instantly and that explains the HOW, and NOW, on with the tab A into slot B part with the twists you all want to hear about!!'

Especially, in venues like here, Lit-E, where a lot of readers - and I am one of them anyway too - want to see the good bits as soon as possible and would like as economic a lead-up into the sex as possible.

I would have supposed, that in most cases of RL one-off bi sex, there was either a long long history of someone thinking about stuff in order to get 'accepting' of it, or a very sophisticated knowledgeable lesbian/bi in the loop who was careful enough and patient enough to get the seduction right (no or few readers are going to wait that long with that much risk over the outcome) so that the other person was 'turned' sufficiently for something physical to transpire.

Now here's the impossible part of the RL story I was previously relating - if you saw one of the individuals I was talking about, they are a carbon copy, though female, of myself, we have the exact same birth date and... I am 56 now, and she is almost thirty years younger - so, she is 28-ish. It's all ridiculous and simply un-fictionable.

 

[LauraWilling]

Desiremakesmeweak, (me too, btw. ) I think I am understanding you and pretty sure I agree with you. I definitely do about the "girl talk" and I used that term as everyone has heard it, we know what it is, Wait I got the feeling you maybe a man? Anyway We ladies know what it is, but I would be hard pressed to really explain much of it in real life here.

There are real life situations I guess I can see or imagine where there could be some quick seduction in a situation, but like you said, It would more than likely be between two women who one may be experienced and the other thinking about it or fantasizing about it for sometime and finally gives in. Pardon me for repeating much of what you said, but all I can draw on are my own experiences in this area. I was a photographers model in my younger days and posed for men's magazines and calendars and such. I received a gig where they wanted me with another woman. I had kissed other women before, but nothing like this. It was soft core, no real sex, but believe me when you are that close and actually touching, it pretty much feels real. That first one was hard for me, but the photospread was well received and I was asked to do it again. In the meantime I had done a lot of thinking about being with another woman, so it wasn't so hard the next time. It became easier over time until once in real life I was with another woman, She was the more dominate one of us, but I followed along and found I enjoyed it after the initial butterflies in the stomach and overall nervousness.

Since those experiences and that time of my life, I have enjoyed it, and do every now and then with a good female friend who does consider herself bisexual. I really don't know what I would classify myself as.
Finally, I am fully aware my initiation into same sex experiences is not what most would likely be, but I think many of the feelings would be much the same as mine were.

 

[policywank]

A subtle distinction but I don't know if it is realistic to portray a woman who has never thought about bisexuality then suddenly dives in. But I think it is quite realistic to portray a woman whose assumptions about sex and sexuality turn out to be off base as she moves on in life and realizes that many of the external pressures that encouraged her to see things in a one-dimensional way were simply wrong or no longer applicable.

Assuming she hasn't been living in a cave she recognizes the reality of bi-sexuality but just never considered it for herself. She would first come to understand why she never considered it - recognize the barriers before tearing them down.

But why would she set about seeking that clarity? It is more plausible that the catalyst would be an external event that isn't directly related to female sexuality. Again as a middle aged woman in this era, unless you have lived in a cave, its not like you have never encountered an attractive bi or lesbian woman. The barrier to your acceptance is not likely to be the lack of external impetus but rather your own mind.

A good scenario would be for Tanya to experience an event that makes it clear that she is the one who has denied herself a broader perspective. Once she decides to open her mind and/or seek adventure, knowledge and adventure become an end unto themselves whether or not they turn out to be her thing. The desire to peak behind the curtain becomes irresistible - not because she is suddenly enamoured with what she knows is there but because she wants to find out what is there. Her decision isn't a definitive I want to do this" but a "why the hell not give it a try, 40 years of not trying stuff for no good reason is quite enough."

As others have said the seduction isn't purely lust driven. It is the process of getting to now something about somebody that you didn't know existed and developing a craving to know more. That coupled with a newfound interest in seeing things for what they are can be very powerful.

Personally I think a powerful catalyst would be to find out that one of the people who had instilled conservative or perspective limiting values in Tanya actually turned out to be bi or lesbian. Or perhaps a bi or lesbian woman turns out to be the better person in some values based interaction with one of Tanya's major influences. In any event, something that makes it unavoidable to recognize that her core assumption about love and sexuality may not be correct or complete.

 

[XXXHacker]

A subtle distinction but I don't know if it is realistic to portray a woman who has never thought about bisexuality then suddenly dives in.

Yeah, that's what I'm gathering. Going to rethink this a bit. Thanks to everyone for the information.