Q's Conspiracy Round Up

[FunLovingJerk]

You didn't just respond to me anyway, because you've "had Byron on ignore for ages," but for shit sakes stop spamming.

Everybody hates spammers.

If all evidence produced is spam, then what do you demand for evidence? A banana?

Become one with the monkey brain.

Drop your IQ to room temperature and say hello to bliss and ignorance!

Give Bill O'Reilly a kick when you meet him for me.

 

[Queersetti]

How about the conspiracy theory that Timothy McVey was not the real mastermind of the Oklahoma City bombing, and that he actually had ties to the Middle East and/or was the pawn of Middle Eastern Terrorists.

That must be true. Only Moslems are terrorists.

 

[Queersetti]

look i dont know- i am not one ot put much stock in the idea of "conspiracies" but it sems so obvious to me that JFK was offed by the CIA via their mafia ites, and as a direst result of the brewing issues surrounding the 'problem' of a powerful leader who was at war with his own joint cheifs!

I may be possible don't see how it's obvious.

I think the animosity between Kennedy and the Joint Chief is overblown. Yeah, LeMay hated him, but Maxwell Taylor was a close Kennedy ally.

 

[Queersetti]

I don't actually have a response but I'm quoting this anyway to be an ass by making the third page even longer.

I'm going to do a controlled demolition on the next person who quotes that whole thing.

 

[FunLovingJerk]

I may be possible don't see how it's obvious.

I think the animosity between Kennedy and the Joint Chief is overblown. Yeah, LeMay hated him, but Maxwell Taylor was a close Kennedy ally.

Obvious to me and most everyone else. You might be just an except to the norm then.

LBJ had such a smile when JFK was offed.

Let's sing the magic bullet song!

1,2 , a 1, 2,, 3 ...

 

[FunLovingJerk]

Big baddaboom
- The 5th Element

Many heard EXPLOSIONS well before the fall of the towers, during their collapse, and many described them as having all the appearance of controlled demolitions

500+ witnesses heard, saw, and felt explosives taking down the WTC buildings, there's hours and hours of video showing EXPLOSIONS going off in long straight lines BEFORE the debris reached the floor, and seismic tremors were impossibly shorter than the collapse times, and it's never before happened in the entire history of steel+concrete skyscrapers have collapsed at almost freefall speed into their own footprint (except with controlled demolitions) ---- but who cares, there's no evidence. All of the hundreds of witnesses were idiots, and don't watch those videos because they lie.


The EXPLOSIONS in the controlled demolitions are clearly seen and heard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX9gdRST6zM

‘You are being lied to"
featuring a bunch of eye witness comments referring to EXPLOSIONS inside of the WTC.
http://www.mypetgoat.tv/video/Bomb_Montage.WMV


EXPLOSION
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcRs1fv8i3I
The first tower is down and it is appromiately 10.15am. The second tower went down 15 minutes later and WTC7 a number of hours later.
This came from a show aired on SBS in Australia on the first anniversary of 911 in 2002


This Fire Marshal recognised the collapses as being done by explosions, and kept insisting on this even when his father couldn't comprehend it....


FIRE MARSHAL JOHN COYLE thought WCT2 EXPLOSION or bomb on plane

I THOUGHT IT WAS EXPLODING ACTUALLY THATS WHAT I THOUGHT FOR HOURS AFTERWARDS THAT IT HAD EXPLODED OR THE PLANE OR THERE HAD BEEN SOME DEVICE ON THE PLANE THAT HAD EXPLODED BECAUSE THE DEBRIS FROM THE TOWER HAD SHOT OUT FAR OVER OUR HEADS IT WAS RAINING DOWN

(blanked out paragraph)

FINALLY GOT THROUGH ON MY PHONE TO MY FATHER AND SAID I’M ALIVE JUST WANTED TO TELL YOU GO TO CHURCH I’M ALIVE JUST SO NARROWLY ESCAPED THIS THING HE SAID WHERE WERE YOU YOU WERE THERE I SAID YEAH WAS RIGHT THERE WHEN IT BLEW UP, HE SAID YOU WERE THERE WHEN THE PLANES HIT,
SAID “NO WAS THERE WHEN IT EXPLODED, THE BUILDING EXPLODED”
HE SAID “YOU MEAN WHEN IT FELL DOWN”,
SAID “NO WHEN IT EXPLODED.”


From THE NEW YORK TIMES:

Assistant Fire Commissioner: "I thought . . . before . . . No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes. . . . I . . . saw a flash flash flash . . . [at] the lower level of the building. You know like when they . . . blow up a building. . . ?”

Source:
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyreg...ory_Stephen.txt

FIRST BIG EXPLOSION WAS BELOW THE PLANE IMPACT AREA
# NYC firefighter: “It actually gave at a lower floor, not the floor where the plane hit. . . [W]e originally had thought there was like an internal detonation, explosives, because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down.”

Link to quote:
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyreg...chia_Edward.txt


# From The San Francisco Chronicle / SFGate.com:

Captain of Emergency Medical Services: "somewhere around the middle of the world trade center there was this orange and red flash coming out ... initially it was just one flash then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode ... and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides ... as far as could see these popping sounds and the EXPLOSIONS were getting bigger going both up and down and then all around the building"

Link to quote:
http://sfgate.com/gate/pictures/2005/09/10...rin_deshore.pdf


# "When we got to about 50 feet from the South Tower, we heard the most eerie sound that you would ever hear. A high-pitched noise and a popping noise made everyone stop. We all looked up. At the point, it all let go...
...There was an EXPLOSION and the whole top leaned toward us and started coming down. I stood there for a second in total awe, and then said, "What the F###?" I honestly thought it was Hollywood."

- Eye-witness Jeff Birnbaum, president of Broadway Electrical Supply Co., New York

Link to quote:
http://september11.ceenews.com/ar/electric...trical_supplys/


# Member of the FDNY:
"We were trying to get some of the people out, but then there was secondary EXPLOSIONS and then subsequent collapses."

Video: http://www.911blimp.net/videos/FDNY-[b][color=red]EXPLOSIONS[/color][/b].mov


# Firefighter:
"As we were getting our gear on and making our way to the stairway, there was a heavy duty EXPLOSION."

Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/heavy.duty.explosion.wmv

http://terrorize.dk/911/wtc2dem4/1696-01.jpg

Firemen recall "detonations" in South Tower:

fireman2: We made it outside, we made it about a block.
fireman1: We made it at least 2 blocks.

fireman2: 2 blocks.
fireman1: and we started runnin'
fireman2: poch-poch-poch-poch-poch-poch-poch
fireman1: Floor by floor it started poppin' out ..
fireman2: It was as if as if they had detonated, det..
fireman1: yea detonated yea
fireman2: as if they had planned to take down a building,
boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom ...
fireman1: All the way down, I was watchin it, and runnin'

Video: http://911research.com/wtc/evidence/videos...n_firehouse.mpg

September 12, 2001, New York City, People.com

Louie Cacchioli, 51, is a firefighter assigned to Engine 47 in Harlem.

We were the first ones in the second tower after the plane struck. I was taking firefighters up in the elevator to the 24th floor to get in position to evacuate workers. On the last trip up a bomb went off. We think there was bombs set in the building....

Link to article:
http://prisonplanet.com/louie_cacchioli.htm


# NBC Reporter, Pat Dawson:
[Albert Turi the Chief of Safety for the New York Fire Department] received word of the possibility of a secondary device, that is another bomb going off. He tried to get his men out as quickly as he could, but he said there was another EXPLOSION which took place, and then an hour after the first hit, the first crash that took place, he said there was another EXPLOSION that took place in one of the towers here, so obviously according to his theory he thinks that there were actually devices that were planted in the building. One of the secondary devices he thinks that took place after the initial impact he thinks may have been on the plane that crashed into one of the towers. The second device, he thinks, he speculates, was probably planted in the building.“

Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc.reporter.1.wmv


# MSNBC Reporter, Rick Sanchez:
"Police have found what they believe to be a suspicious device and they fear that it may lead to another EXPLOSION...I spoke with some police officials moments ago, Chris, and they told me they have reason to believe that one of the EXPLOSION at the WTC besides the ones made with the planes, may have been caused by a van that was parked on the building that may have had an explosive device in it."

Video: http://www.terrorize.dk/911/comments/911.w....explosives.wmv

# War Corespondent, Jack Kelley:
"Apparently what appears to happen was that at the same time two planes hit the building that there... that the FBI most likely thinks that there was a car or truck packed with explosives underneath the buildings which also exploded at the same time..."

Video: http://www.terrorize.dk/911/comments/911.w....jack.kelley.rm




# MSNBC Reporter, Ann Thompson:
"At 10:30 I tried to leave the building, but as I got outside I heard a second EXPLOSION and another rumble and more smoke and more dust. I ran inside the building and the chandelier shook and again black smoke filled the air. Within another five minutes we were covered again with more soot and more dust. And then a fire marshal came in and said we had to leave, because if there was a third EXPLOSION this building might not last.."

Video: http://www.terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.....[b][color=red]EXPLOSIONS[/color][/b].wmv

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/bobby31415926/wtc-squib.jpg

# Street Reporter:
"45 minutes into the taping we were doing, there was an EXPLOSION. It was way up where the fire was and the whole building at that point bellied out in flames and everybody ran."

Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc.reporter.2.wmv


# Witness / 9-11 survivor:
"I was about five blocks away when I heard EXPLOSIONS... three thuds and turned around to see the building that we just got out of... tip over and fall in on itself."

Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc.witness.1.wmv

# 9/11 hero, William Rodriguez, who was the last person out of the north tower, states that there was a massive EXPLOSION in the North Tower BEFORE the plane hit:

"When I heard the sound of the EXPLOSION, the floor beneath my feet vibrated, the walls started cracking and it everything started shaking

"Seconds after the first massive EXPLOSION below in the basement still rattled the floor, I hear another EXPLOSION from way above... Although I was unaware at the time, this was the airplane hitting the tower, it occurred moments after the first EXPLOSION.

"I know there were explosives placed below the trade center.

"I have tried to tell my story to everybody, but nobody wants to listen. It is very strange what is going on here in supposedly the most democratic country in the world. In my home country of Puerto Rico and all the other Latin American countries, I have been allowed to tell my story uncensored. But here, I can’t even say a word.

"I met with the 9/11 Commission behind closed doors and they essentially discounted everything I said regarding the use of explosives to bring down the north tower.

"And I contacted NIST previously four times without a response. Finally, this week I asked them before they came up with their conclusion that jet fuel brought down the towers, if they ever considered my statements or the statements of any of the other survivors who heard the EXPLOSIONS. They just stared at me with blank faces and didn’t have any answers."

Link to quotes:
http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/artic...18131/28031.htm

# “Amazing, incredible pick your word. For the third time today, it’s reminiscent of those pictures we’ve all seen too much on television before, where a building was deliberately destroyed by well placed dynamite to knock it down.”

- CBS News anchor, Dan Rather, commenting on the collapse of Building 7, September 11, 2001 at approx 5:20pm EST.

Video: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/w..._demolition.mpg


# Excerpt from a radio interview with Indira Singh, ground zero rescue worker and 9/11 whistleblower. She says that she and others were told to move away from Building 7, by persons that she thought were members of the FDNY, because they were "going to have to bring it down":

Radio host Bonnie Falkner: How long did you work as an emergency medical technician and exactly what is it that you were doing (at ground zero)?

Indira Singh: ...when I got there we were setting up triage sites (at ground zero), close, very close to the area. The triage site that I was setting up was behind, well, to the east of Building 7 where Building 7 came down...
...we were setting up triages as close to the pile as possible… so what we were doing was setting up different kinds of stations… IV stations, cardiac stations, wound stations, burn stations ...just trying to have an organized space. What happened with that particular triage site is that pretty soon afternoon, after mid-day on 9/11 we had to evacuate that because they told us Building 7 was coming down... I do believe that they brought Building 7 down... By noon or one o'clock they told us we had to move from that triage site up to Pace University a little further away because Building 7 was going to come down or being brought down.

Bonnie Falkner: Did they actually use the word "brought" down and who was it that was telling you this?

Indira Singh: The fire department... the fire department and they did use the word "we're going to have to bring it down."

The entire interview can be listened to at the link below. The excerpts from above can be found approximately 10 minutes into the interview.

Guns & Butter Radio interview w/ Indira Singh hosted by Bonnie Falkner - April 27th 2005:
http://*******.com/7dww8


FIREFIGHTER PATRICK MARTIN

WTC2

My lieutenant said he looked down at the first floor, and he could see the first floor of the south tower like exploding out. I looked up. I looked up, and the sky was filled with that debris cloud.


Stephen Gregory , Assistant Commissioner (F.D.N.Y.) flashes, EXPLOSIONS below the plane impact area p 14

I know I was with an officer from Ladder 146, a Lieutenant Evangelista, who ultimately called me up a couple of days later just to find out how I was. We both for whatever reason -- again, I don't know how valid this is with everything that was going on at that particular point in time, but for some reason I thought that when I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down, before No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes. In my conversation with Lieutenant Evangelista, never mentioning this to him, he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I thought -- at that time I didn't know what it was. I mean, it could have been as a result of the building collapsing, things exploding, but I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down.

Q. Was that on the lower level of the building or up where the fire was?
A. No, the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw. And I didn't broach the topic to him, but he asked me. He said I don't know if I'm crazy,

(Strangely, he talks about West Street, where he saw airplane parts, but nobody, and was wondering, no firefighters or civilians, that they probably must be on the Promenade side)then he says:

page 20 Q. Clearly not building material?
A. No. The building material was sort of gray and you could see it, you know, how it differed from the plane. I was listening to the tape this morning of the people calling up and they were describing the plane that hit the building. Actually, so many people saw it. They actually described the plane as it came in. They said it was a military-type plane and it was green and it was this. I mean, I never saw the color of the plane.

FATHER JOHN DELENDICK FDNY bombs & EXPLOSIONS before WTC2 fell
The top of the building kind of started to rumble, and we all looked up. So his original thought was that he thought it was a bomb up there as well.

I remember asking Ray Downey was it the jet fuel that blew up. He said at that point he thought there were bombs up there because it was too even. We didn't know the building came down. We just knew the top of the building exploded and didn't know what happened to the rest of the building.



CHIEF STEVE GRABHER-FDNY WTC2 poof,poof, windows pop out, EXPLOSION

Just as I go out of the building, one of my men says hey Captain, the building is coming down. I looked over my shoulder and you could see the whole top of south tower leaning towards us. It looked like coming over. You could see the windows pop out just like in the picture, looked like a movie. I saw one floor of windows pop out, like poof, poof. I saw one and a half floors pop out. It looked almost like an EXPLOSION. The whole top was teetering, and I really thought just the top of the building was falling off. I didn't think there was any way we were going to make it out because just being this close, it looked like it's leaning right on top of us. So we ran. It wasn't that far. I guess You could see over the top of the building from where we were standing, the whole building was coming on top of us this other building. At this time I thought just the top of the building fell down. I really wasn't sure that the whole tower was going to come down. It turns out I was looking at the Vista, what was left of the Vista, and, of course, the tower on the street.


FIREFIGHTER ROBERT NORRIS

WTC2

I HEARD WHAT SOUNDED LIKE A THIRD PLANE COMING IN. I HEARD THE PROPULSION OF AN ENGINE AND THEN AN EXPLOSION. WE LOOKED UP AND SAW THESE HUGE CHUNKS THERES ONE PARTICULAR PIECE OF THIS BUILDING THAT FELL IN ITS ENTIRETY THAT ILL NEVER FORGE.T IT WAS AS IF IT WAS A SCHWARTZENAGER MOVIE TAKING PLACE

EMT PATRICIA ONDROVIC

WTC2

I think it was the lobby of the building behind us blew out. Everybody started running, I didn't see him again that day. He got thrown one way, I got thrown the other way. There was smoke, there was debris, there was everything flying around. The cops that were in there were telling everybody get out, get out, get out. Stuffs blowing up.



LIEUTENANT PATRICK SCARINGELLO EMS

WTC2

I heard the EXPLOSION from up above. I looked up, I saw smoke and flame and then I saw the top tower tilt, start to twist and lean.

We did go past -- we went up Church, we went up Vesey, past 7 Trade, which at the time didn't look like it was involved


FIREFIGHTER RICHARD BOERI WTC2 EXPLOSION before collapse

We had our backs to the tower and under that pedestrian bridge walking south, myself, Eddie Kennedy and the officer, when you heard the crackling. You looked up and you saw the one floor explode on itself and the top start to slide.



FIREFIGHTER DEAN COUTSOUROS FILE No. 9110049

WTC2, crackling sound, like a million firecrackers

I was directly in the middle of the street on Washington Street and there were three guys behind me and I was right in the middle of the street and that’s when the tower started to come down. I happened to be looking up at it and from the fire floor down it was just really loud crackling noise. It sounded like a million firecrackers and just wave right from the fire floor down. Just wave that started to come down.



FIREFIGHTER WILLIAM REYNOLDS

WTC2- large EXPLOSION below plane impact area before the collapse

After a while, I was distracted by a large explosion from the south tower and it seemed like fire was shooting out a couple of hundred feet in each direction, then all of a sudden the top of the tower started coming down in a pancake. I remember my jaw dropping and just staring at it and Richard Banaciski, one of the firemen that was there, yelled "Run" and I turned and I started running into the parking garage of the Financial Center.

Q. Bill, just one question. The fire that you saw, where was the fire? Like up at the upper levels where it started collapsing?

A. It appeared somewhere below that. Maybe twenty floors below the impact area of the plane. I saw it as fire and when I looked at it on television afterwards, it doesn't appear to show the fire. It shows a rush of smoke coming out below the area of the plane impact.

The reason why I think the cameras didn't get that image is because they were a far distance away and maybe I saw the bottom side where the plane was and the smoke was up above it.



FIREFIGHTER TIMOTHY BURKE WTC2 FILE NO 9110488

WTC2 EXPLOSION before collapse

Then the building popped lower than the fire level which I guess was the aviation fuel fell into the pit and whatever floor it fell on heated up really bad and that’s why it popped at that floor. That’s the rumor I heard, but it seemed like Oh My God There is secondary device that the way the building popped I thought it was an EXPLOSION.

When that happened they all started fading into the garage- masses of people. I’m thinking this building is coming down. So with the amount of people rushing me, we ran through the garage. We kept running through. All of a sudden the noises stopped , the sound of the building falling stopped. We all turned around and it was dark now. We really couldn’t see.


FIREFIGHTER CHRISTOPHER FENYO FDNY WTC2

EXPLOSIONS before collapse

Port Authority transcripts:

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/29/nyregion...e&ex=1125979200

About a couple minutes after George came back to me is when the south tower from our perspective exploded from about midway up the building. We all turned and ran into the garage. At that point a debate began to rage because the perception was that the building looked like it had been taken out with charges.

FIREFIGHTER HOWIE SCOTT

WTC2

We just made our turn to go in towards the lobby of tower two.

For whatever reason, I just happened to look up and saw the whole thing coming down, pancaking down, and the EXPLOSION, blowing out about halfway up. I remember looking back and noticing that big mushroom cloud just roaring at us like a freight train.



Edward Cachia FDNY WTC2 EXPLOSIONS before collapse
explosion started collapse BELOW the plane impact area

As my officer and I were looking at the south tower, it just gave. It actually gave at a
lower floor, not the floor where the plane hit, because we originally had thought there was like an internal detonation explosives because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down.

More EXPLOSIONS witnesses from the WTC

FIREFIGHTER KENNETH ROGERS

WTC2

Meanwhile we were standing there with about five companies and we were just waiting for our assignment and then there was an EXPLOSION in the south tower, this exposure just blew out in flames. A lot of guys left at that point. I kept watching. Floor after floor after floor. One floor under another after another and when it hit about the fifth floor, I figured it was a bomb, because it looked like a synchronized deliberate kind of thing. I was there in '93.


EMT MICHAEL OBER WTC2



Then we heard a rumble, some twisting metal, we looked up in the air, and to be totally honest, at first, I don’t know exactly…but it looked to me just like an EXPLOSION. It didn’t look like the building was coming down, it looked like just one floor had blown completely outside of it. I was sitting there looking at it. I just never thought they would around and saw the debris coming down.



FIREFIGHTER RICHARD BANACISKI WTC2 EXPLOSIONS

On West Street. We reported in to there and I remember they had the command post set up.
We were there I don't know, maybe 10, 15 minutes and then I just remember there was just an EXPLOSION. It seemed like on television they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these EXPLOSIONS. Everybody just said run and we all turned around and we ran into the parking garage because that's basically where we were. Running forward would be running towards it. Not thinking that this building is coming down. We just thought there was going to be a big explosion and stuff was going to come down.

There was just a tremendous cloud that came into the parking garage. Somebody actually laid out a search rope.



CHARLES WELLS Division Chief EMS

WTC2

We felt a loud -- a very strong vibration, shaking, and a loud noise like a subway train coming through a station at speed, like a jet engine at full throttle. It was a roaring sound, and he wanted to continue down Liberty Street. I asked “what the hell happened?" Some kind of an EXPLOSION, he goes, and that's what I thought it was, because it was like coming at you sideways.



EMT JAMES MCKINLEY

WCT2

Then as I looked up, I saw this helicopter hovering from in front of one of the buildings, it was the first one that was hit. Then all of a sudden I heard this huge EXPLOSION, I didn’t know what it was because nobody was telling me anything. I didn’t know until we were called back to Chambers and something, Chambers and West Street, that it might have been a terrorist attack. I was this close to it, and I didn’t know what was going on. After that I heard this HUGE EXPLOSION, I thought it was a boiler exploding or something. Next thing you know this huge cloud of smoke is coming at us, so we’re running. Everyone is, firemen, PD, everyone is running away from the World Trade Center, up Vessey Street. This is North End, we was running around Vessey and around North end to get away from the first smoke. After the first building, I guess, I didn’t know at the time that the building fell. After the smoke cleared, I went back, I was helping some people that were covered in dust and stuff like that.



FIREFIGHTER JOSEPH MEOLA

WCT2

As we are looking up at the building, what I saw was, it looked like the building was blowing out on all four sides. We actually heard the pops. Didn't realize it was the falling -- you know, you heard the pops of the building. You thought it was just blowing out.


FIREFIGHTER KEITH MURPHY FDNY

WCT2

I HAD HEARD A DISTANT BOOM BOOM BOOM SOUNDED LIKE THREE EXPLOSIONS RIGHT BEFORE THE LIGHTS in WTC1 WENT OUT. I DONT KNOW WHAT IT WAS. AT THE TIME I WOULD HAVE SAID THEY SOUNDED LIKE BOMBS. THEN I WOULD SAY ABOUT 4 SECONDS ALL OF A SUDDEN TREMENDOUS ROAR. IT SOUNDED LIKE BEING IN A TUNNEL WITH THE TRAIN COMING AT YOU. IT PROBABLY LASTED MAYBE 10 TO 15 SECONDS



FIREFIGHTER THOMAS TURILLI

WTC2

All of a sudden you just heard like it almost actually that day sounded like bombs going off, like boom, boom, boom, like seven or eight, and then just a huge wind gust just came. My officer knew how to actually get out and and we just walked out of there.

At that point we were kind of standing on the street and I looked to my left and actually I noticed the tower was down. I didn't even know what it was when we were in there. It just seemed like a huge EXPLOSION.


EMT JULIO MARRERO

WTC2

In that process of him trying to explain to me to pull my ambulance over, I heard a loud bang. We looked up, and we just saw the building starting to collapse. I was screaming from the top of my lungs, and I must have been about ten feet away from her and she couldn't even hear me, because the building was so loud, the EXPLOSION, that she couldn't even hear me.



WCT2

I HEARD LIKE A BIG EXPLOSION, TREMENDOUS EXPLOSION, LET ME PUT IT THAT WAY, AND A RUMBLING SOUND. SO ATTEMPTED TO RUN SOME DISTANCE WHICH COULDNT RUN BECAUSE IT OVERTOOK ME LIKE I SAID IT HAPPENED LIKE REALLY QUICK ALSO I FELT MYSELF AIRBORNE. I FELT A FORCE BEHIND ME AND IT SLAMMED ME DOWN ON THE GROUND. I GOT SLAPPED DOWN ON THE GROUND. EVERYTHING STARTED HITTING ME. WHATEVER WAS FALLING AT THE TIME. I DIDNT KNOW WHAT IT WAS. I THOUGHT MAYBE THAT THE BUILDING THAT WAS ON FIRE EXPLODED. I WAS GETTING HIT HARD AND WHEN I FELL ON MY STOMACH FACE DOWN WITH MY HANDS EXTENDED SOMETHING HEAVY FELL ON MY HAND AND BOUNCED OFF AT THAT TIME MY ARM WAS BROKEN .

His conclusions were blanked out


LT. THOMAS PIAMBINO FDNY

WTC2

The south tower had fallen, but at that time I didn't know what it was. All I heard was a tremendous EXPLOSION.



LIEUTENANT JOSEPH PATRICIELLO FDNY

WTC2

As my men went to obtain some extinguishers, I happened to be looking up and saw the EXPLOSION or the building fail with the ensuing fireball and cloud. It didn't appear to me at that moment the building was coming down.

But when the noise level began to pick up, it was obvious that something wrong was going on. We all proceeded to run southwesterly towards Liberty and West. At that point there was debris coming down.



FIREFIGHTER CRAIG CARLSEN -EXPLOSIONS (or pancakes) when buildings fell

File No. 9110505 WTC2

I guess about three minutes later you just heard EXPLOSIONS coming from building two, the south tower. It seemed like it took forever, but there were about TEN EXPLOSIONS.

....
We made it to approximately Vesey and West, which is just north of the bridge. Then the second building started to come down. At that point everybody just took off in all different directions. As far as I know, we just went north up West Street. I would guess we made it up to Barclay, maybe, and whatever it was knocked us down, the force of the wind. The second one coming down, you knew the EXPLOSIONS. Now you're very familiar with it. Of course when I looked up, all I could see was the antenna coming down.



FIREFIGHTER FERNANDO CAMACHO WTC2 EXPLOSIONS

We went across the lobby of the hotel, going north, and we exited and made a right going towards the second tower, the south tower. We must have walked about 100-200 feet to revolving doors, which led into a hallway to where the mall was. I could see maybe 20, civilians and I believe Ladder 25, which was about another 100 to 150 feet ahead of us. As we came in through the revolving doors, the lights went out. A second or two later everything started to shake. You could hear EXPLOSIONS. We didn't know what it was. We thought it was just a small collapse.

As I looked straight ahead of me, I saw total darkness. Everything was coming our way like a wave. The firefighters that were ahead of us and the civilians that were ahead of us totally disappeared.

We turned around. We were all pretty much within ten feet of each other: lieutenant,chauffeur, roof, OV, can. As we turned around, I ran probably maybe ten feet and that's when the body of the building or body of the collapse hit, and we were flying through the air basically. I must have flown 30, 40 feet through the air. Then total quiet. You couldn't breathe. You couldn't see anything.


CAPTAIN KARIN DESHORE EMS
WTC2

I had no clue what was going on. I never turned around because a sound came from somewhere that I never heard before. Some people compared it to an airplane. It was the worst sound of a rolling sound, not a thunder. All I know is –and a force started to come hit me in my back. You had to be there. All I know is that I had to run because I thought there was an EXPLOSION. I thought it was a major EXPLOSION.



FIRE MARSHAL SALVATORE RIGNOLA

WTC2

THERES AN EXPLOSION. ALL OF SUDDEN YOU COULD HEAR SOME WEIRD SOUND LIKE CRUMBLING ALL OF A SUDDEN EVERYBODY STARTS RUNNING. I WENT AGAINST THE ESU TRUCK AND ALL OF SUDDEN EVERYTHING GOT BLACK THE WIND BLEW BY. MATERIAL FLEW BY.



EMT JUAN RIOS

WTC2

I was hooking up the regulator to the O-2, when I hear people screaming and a loud EXPLOSION, and I heard like “sssssssss…” the dust like “sssssssss…” So I come out of the bus, and I look and I see a big cloud of dust and debris coming from the glass… through the condominium, the other building, and like, glass falling. So I just started to run, everybody ran, so I just ran. Our bus, it got totaled.



FIREFIGHTER ANGEL RIVERA

WTC2

the chief told us go to the Marriott Hotel, go from the 14th floor up, search and evacuate all the floors. So we walk all the way up, no problem. Then we hear the EXPLOSION and debris falling. We were looking out of the windows and see body parts all over the place.



PARAMEDIC DANIEL RIVERA

WTC2

Q. WHAT DID YOU HEAR? WHAT DID YOU SEE? A. It was a frigging noise at first. At first I thought it was a professional demolition, where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear Pop Pop Pop Pop. That’s exactly what I thought it was when I heard that frigging noise. That’s when I saw the building coming down. I ran as fast as I could maybe half a block and then hid between a building covered myself with a stretcher. That’s when every thing came down. It was very dark for a few minutes.

FIREFIGHTER EDWARD SHEEHEY

(My comments in parentheses: Sheehey heard an EXPLOSION before the South Tower started to collapse . . .)

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_...

"Q. Where exactly were you when the south tower collapsed?
A. We were proceeding across West Street. We were probably maybe 25 yards from the command post.

Q. South of the command post?
A. Straight across from it, going in towards the south tower. We were probably just at West Street, just at the street. Then the south tower -- we heard an EXPLOSION, looked up, and the building started to collapse.
We dropped all our tools and gear, and we turned around. There was a parking garage to the right of the command post, so we ran down into the parking garage."

(Mayday distress calls just before the collapses---why? Could this be due to more complications from unexpected EXPLOSIONS going off? That could be a possibility but not conclusive.)
"Q. Did you hear any emergency transmissions on the handy talky? Did you have a handy talky?
A. No, I didn¹t have a handy talky.
Q. Did you hear anything being next to
anybody?
A. I heard maydays. As we were at the command post, we heard maydays. I couldn¹t make out what they were for.
Q. Was this before the collapse or after?
A. Before the collapse. Then after the collapse I heard -‹ we looked for someone with a radio, and we found a captain from another engine company. I couldn¹t tell you what company he was from. He was looking for the rest of his men, and he had a handy talky. He said if he heard them calling for us he would let us know. I heard a couple of maydays on his handy talky but couldn¹t make out who was giving them or where they were."



EMT-P ANDRE CHERRINGTON WTC2 Big boom before it fell

So I said, let me take him to the hospital. So as I was pulling off, I’d say about half a block away, we heard a big boom, and we seen a whole bunch of ashes, everything just started coming towards us.



BATTALION CHIEF BRIAN DIXON WTC2

I got just a little ways back and it was just like -- you hear the noise, a boom, and then a blast of air. It just kind of threw me against the wall. That's where I decided to stay. Since it blew me there.





PARAMEDIC NEIL SWEETING

WTC2

We were probably about half a block away from th e complex at this point . You heard a big boom, it was quiet for about ten seconds. Then you could hear another one.



CAPTAIN JAY SWITHERS EMS

WTC2

At that point I looked back and most of the people who were triaged in that area with the triage tags on them got up and ran. I took a quick glance at the building and while I didn't see it falling, I saw a large section of it blasting out, which led me to believe it was just an EXPLOSION. I thought it was a secondary device, but I knew that we had to go.



BATTALION CHIEF THOMAS VALLEBUONA

WTC2

I HEARD BOOM AND EXPLODING SOUND, REAL LOUD BANG . I LOOKED UP AND COULD SEE THE TRADE CENTER STARTING TO COME DOWN. THE SOUTH TOWER WHICH I GUESS WAS ABOUT BLOCK AWAY FROM. I SAW STUFF COMING OFF THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. IT LOOKED LIKE A GIANT FOUNTAIN. IT WAS ACTUALLY BEAUTIFUL IN STRANGE WAY.

I REALIZED THAT WE WERENT FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM THIS BUILDING AND WE WERE GOING TO BE HIT BY STUFF IT SEEMED LIKE YOU COULD JUST SEE STUFF SPIRALING OUT LIKE CONE. SO WE PROCEEDED TO TRY AND OUTRUN IT. MYSELF AND MY AIDE STEVIE ZASA WE WERE HOLDING HANDS WITHIN SECONDS WERE ENGULFED IN CLOUD THAT YOU COULDNT SEE YOUR HANDS IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE IT WAS HARD TO BREATHE IF ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE YOU FELT LIKE YOU WERE EATING THE DUST YOU COULD HEAR THINGS FALLING AROUND YOU YOU COULDNT SEE ANYTHING





FIREFIGHTER JOSEPH RAE

WTC2

We started walking north to just about the second footbridge, which would be 6 World Trade, and all of a sudden we heard the EXPLOSION and the building started to come down and I ran


EMT JASON CHARLES

FILE No. 9110486


I HEARD SIX LOUD EXPLOSIONS AND THOSE SIX LOUD EXPLOSIONS CHANGED MY MIND REAL QUICK AND I WENT BACK OVER TO THE TRIAGE CENTER AND IT WAS LIKE YOU KNOW WHAT, LET ME WAIT HERE. I HAD NO HELMET



EMT DAVID TIMOTHY

WTC2

The next thing I heard was a loud like an engine roar. I looked up, and the next thing I knew I just saw -- I don't know if it was the tail end of the plane or what, but I saw something. When I looked up, I heard "boom." Now, when the EXPLOSION hit I don't know if -- it actually took me off my feet, because I fell. I actually got cuts and stuff like that all over my hands and whatnot



FIREFIGHTER THOMAS ORLANDO FDNY

I would say on the 18th floor when we took a little break. At the time the building was shaking. It was hit with something. At that time we thought it was another missile attack, so we all just ran into the stairway and just helped cover us and other civilians and firemen until it stopped shaking. We didn't know what it was at the time. We were told that there's been a collapse -- they didn't say what collapsed – and to start working your way out.



FIREFIGHTER FRANK SWEENEY

WTC2

[color=red[b]I hear what sounded like firecrackers[/b][/color] and a low rumble. I look up, and the south tower – I could see the top part of the siding overlapping the bottom side of the siding. The siding actually was like this. Then I saw the dirt above that. I ran. I was right behind Scott. Scott ran into the Winter Garden and got against a concrete pillar



FIREFIGHTER TIMOTHY JULIAN

WCT2

We came out from 90 West , made Left, headed East, and right when we got to the corner of Washington and Albany, that’s when we heard the building collapse. I thought it was an EXPLOSION. I thought maybe there was a bomb on the plane but delayed type of thing, you know secondary device. I was convinced for a week it was secondary devices. I JUST HEARD LIKE AN EXPLOSION AND THEN CRACKING TYPE OF NOISE AND THEN IT SOUNDED LIKE FREIGHT TRAIN RUMBLING AND PICKING UP SPEED.





FIREFIGHTER EDWARD KENNEDY

WCT2

We took two steps, there was a tremendous boom, explosion, we both turned around, and the top of the building was coming down at us. With this I just turned to Richie and said run.



BATTALION CHIEF JOHN SUDNIK

WTC2

THEN WE HEARD A LOUD EXPLOSION OR WHAT SOUNDED LIKE A LOUD EXPLOSION AND LOOKED UP AND SAW TOWER TWO START COMING DOWN.

SUPERVISING FIRE MARSHAL JOHN D. LYNN

It seems as if suddenly there was a -- our attention was drawn to the south tower. There was some kind of EXPLOSION, you might say, up in the area where the fire was. Actually, in hindsight, that was the start of the collapse. Now, we were very close at that time.


PARAMEDIC KEVIN DARNOWSKI
3 EXPLOSIONS before WTC2 fell

At that time I started walking back up towards Vesey Street. I heard THREE EXPLOSIONS, and then we heard like groaning and grinding, and tower two started to come down.


BATTALION CHIEF DOMINICK DeRUBBIO - WTC-2 appeared like a timed explosion

I was looking over t h e Winter Garden at the second tower, and then I saw that starting to come down. It was weird how it started to come down. It looked like it was a timed explosion




EMT MOUSSA DIAZ WTC2, big boom then collapse
When we heard the big boom, I looked up and I just saw the building collapsing.
WTC2 falls it appeared there were explosives planted

“The sound it made. As I said I thought the terrorists planted explosives somewhere in the building. That's how loud it was, crackling explosive, a wall.”




EMT GREGG BRADY 3 EXPLOSIONS in WTC1 before collapse

We proceeded to 3 World Financial Center, the American Express building They set up a triage area in that lobby. ...

At that time, when I heard the THREE LOUD EXPLOSIONS, I started running west on Vesey Street towards the water. At that time, I couldn't run fast enough. The debris caught up with me, knocked my helmet off. I tumbled and then eventually I started running again. I made it behind a building on North End Avenue. I set up a triage area in that corner building and at that time I started treating patients.



FIREFIGHTER KEVIN GORMAN WTC1 EXPLOSIONS, then falls
John Malley, who was right behind me, I turned around for him, because he was doing something, either putting his coat on or something, and as I was looking at him I heard the EXPLOSIONS, looked up, and saw like three floors explode, saw the antenna coming down, and turned around and ran north.


Killtown has a new witness report:

QUOTE
February 10, 2006
9/11 Rescuer Saw EXPLOSIONS Inside WTC 6 Lobby

In an exclusive Killtown interview, Ground Zero EMT Patricia Ondrovic talks about her harrowing day at the WTC on 9/11. Within minutes after the South Tower collapses, she witnessed the WTC 5 blowing up, cars exploding, and EXPLOSIONS inside the lobby of the WTC 6, all the while narrowly escaping with her own life.
Some highlights:

KT: Did you basically stay around that area before the South Tower collapsed at 9:59 am?

PO: Yes, we were staged waiting for the triage teams to bring us patients when an officer in a white shirt and blue pants (don't know from what agency) said that there was a radio transmission that stated, "Another plane was headed towards us!" We were told to get to our vehicles and get ready to move fast, but it wasn't fast enough. All of a sudden there was a lot of activity within the several agencies there and everyone started to scramble to ready their respective vehicles.

KT: When you were told another aircraft was approaching, was this right before the South Tower collapsed?

PO: Maybe 3 to 5 minutes prior. I don't know if that estimation is correct, but I remember we all had time to take a minute and look into the skies all around to see if we could see anything.



QUOTE
KT: You talked about the cars blowing up in your WTC Task Force interview, correct?

PO: Yes.

KT: Can you estimate how many vehicles blew up around you?

PO: At least three and some were on fire as I was running by. I was still on the south side of Vesey running west. The burning cars were between my ambulance and about the middle of the 6 World Trade where the lobby doors were at.

(...)

KT: When these vehicles blew up, was it kind of like what you would see in the movies where the vehicle pops up in the air when it explodes with a fireball coming out?

PO: I remember parts flying off -- I think I got hit with a car door. I remember they were also on fire, but I don't specifically recall the movie type fireball, but there was a loud bang as the door flew off the one car I was running past.

EXPLOSIONS Inside WTC 6 Lobby

KT: You mentioned you were running west on Vesey Street, what happened after that?

PO: I just kept running. I was aware there were other people running as well. After passing the cars on fire, I was trying to find someplace safe. I tried to run into the lobby of 6 World Trade, but there were federal police -- maybe 4 to 6 of them -- standing in the open doorways. As I tried to run in, they wouldn't let me, waving me out, telling me "you can't come in here, keep running." As I turned to start running west again, I saw a series of flashes around the ceiling of the lobby all going off one-by-one like the X-mass lights that "chase" in pattern. I think I started running faster at that point.

KT: Did you hear any "popping" sounds when each of these flashes in the WTC 6 lobby were going off?

PO: Yes, that part was like a movie. The pops were at the same time as the flashes.

KT: Can you estimate either how many flashes you saw or how many of these "pops" you heard inside this lobby?

PO: At least 6 before I was turned away.

KT: Could you still hear any of these EXPLOSIONS when you turned to run back out, or was the noise outside too loud?

PO: I don't recall hearing any more when I resumed running. It was very chaotic.

KT: Now to be clear, were you inside the Lobby of the WTC 6, or were you outside the building when you witnessed these what appeared to be EXPLOSIONS?

PO: I was in the doorway, but not inside the lobby. I remember being able to breathe the somewhat cleaner air coming from inside the building. They stopped me as I was trying to get past the threshold.

KT: Were the EXPLOSIONS going off as you were entering the lobby area, or did they seem to start going off after the police tried to turn you away?

PO: It all happened at the same time. As I got to the doorway, I was told not to come in. As the officer was telling me I couldn't get in the building the flashes starting going off.

KT: Were the police just right at the lobby door, or were some also way inside the building?

PO: There were probably 4-5 officers in the doorway. I could see a few others back in the lobby area.

KT: You said you saw "federal police." What exactly do you mean and did you find it strange they were in there and that they wouldn't let you in?

PO: Well, they were in light brown uniforms and "Smokey the bear" hats. I assumed they were federal police because NYC police don't look like that and I knew there was a lot of federal offices in the WTC as well as the surrounding area, so it wasn't strange to me to see them there, but I did find it very odd that they wouldn't let me in to get cover. But like I say, in that profession, someone tells you to go an opposite way you are going, you don't ask, you just go. I remember hoping they got out as I was watching whatever the small EXPLOSIONS were, because they stayed in the building. They weren't locking it up after evacuating or anything like that.

Check it out for yourself

http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/02/911-rescuer-saw-explosions-inside-wtc.html

 

[FunLovingJerk]

I'm going to do a controlled demolition on the next person who quotes that whole thing.

*big cheesy grin*

 

[Queersetti]

Big baddaboom
- The 5th Element

Another asshole alt for the ignore list.

 

[John Doe]

I'm going to do a controlled demolition on the next person who quotes that whole thing.

The ZOG made me do it on a threat to my foreskin!

 

[rosco rathbone]

Scrolling down that Lunchynice post feels like freefalling alongside one of the twin towers. It's giving me 9-11 PTSD.

 

[FunLovingJerk]

This does not appear well advertised.

???

YES

THE COLLAPSES STARTED BELOW THE PLANE IMPACT POINTS.


FIRST BIG EXPLOSION WAS BELOW THE PLANE IMPACT AREA# NYC firefighter: “It actually gave at a lower floor, not the floor where the plane hit. . . [W]e originally had thought there was like an internal detonation, explosives, because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down.”


Stephen Gregory , Assistant Commissioner (F.D.N.Y.) flashes, EXPLOSIONS below the plane impact area p 14

I know I was with an officer from Ladder 146, a Lieutenant Evangelista, who ultimately called me up a couple of days later just to find out how I was. We both for whatever reason -- again, I don't know how valid this is with everything that was going on at that particular point in time, but for some reason I thought that when I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down, before No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes. In my conversation with Lieutenant Evangelista, never mentioning this to him, he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I thought -- at that time I didn't know what it was. I mean, it could have been as a result of the building collapsing, things exploding, but I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down.

Q. Was that on the lower level of the building or up where the fire was?
A. No, the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw. And I didn't broach the topic to him, but he asked me. He said I don't know if I'm crazy,

(Strangely, he talks about West Street, where he saw airplane parts, but nobody, and was wondering, no firefighters or civilians, that they probably must be on the Promenade side)then he says:

page 20 Q. Clearly not building material?
A. No. The building material was sort of gray and you could see it, you know, how it differed from the plane. I was listening to the tape this morning of the people calling up and they were describing the plane that hit the building. Actually, so many people saw it. They actually described the plane as it came in. They said it was a military-type plane and it was green and it was this. I mean, I never saw the color of the plane.


FIREFIGHTER WILLIAM REYNOLDS
WTC2- large EXPLOSION below plane impact area before the collapse

After a while, I was distracted by a large explosion from the south tower and it seemed like fire was shooting out a couple of hundred feet in each direction, then all of a sudden the top of the tower started coming down in a pancake. I remember my jaw dropping and just staring at it and Richard Banaciski, one of the firemen that was there, yelled "Run" and I turned and I started running into the parking garage of the Financial Center.

Q. Bill, just one question. The fire that you saw, where was the fire? Like up at the upper levels where it started collapsing?

A. It appeared somewhere below that. Maybe twenty floors below the impact area of the plane. I saw it as fire and when I looked at it on television afterwards, it doesn't appear to show the fire. It shows a rush of smoke coming out below the area of the plane impact.

The reason why I think the cameras didn't get that image is because they were a far distance away and maybe I saw the bottom side where the plane was and the smoke was up above it.


Edward Cachia FDNY WTC2 EXPLOSIONS before collapse
explosion started collapse BELOW the plane impact area

As my officer and I were looking at the south tower, it just gave. It actually gave at a lower floor, not the floor where the plane hit, because we originally had thought there was like an internal detonation explosives because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down.







.

 

[FunLovingJerk]

Scrolling down that Lunchynice post feels like freefalling alongside one of the twin towers. It's giving me 9-11 PTSD.

cheer up

http://www.starceiling.co.uk/images/fibre-optic-spray-large.gif

 

[Byron In Exile]

You're seriously starved for attention, very sad.

Thanks for identifying yourself.

 

[FunLovingJerk]

More to cheer you up

http://regmedia.co.uk/2006/12/20/lumo_top.jpg

Prrrrrrretty lights and tits

 

[FunLovingJerk]

Have a cherry

http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/spoonbridge-and-cherry1.jpg

 

[Byron In Exile]

Keep it up, you're probably winning hearts and minds.

 

[FunLovingJerk]

Do you feel a sting?

http://home.blarg.net/~wayule/graphics/wasp.jpg

Or something else bugging you old fart?

http://entomology.lsu.edu/faculty/hooper_files/RedImportedFireAnt.jpg

 

[FunLovingJerk]

I suppose you'd have to draw a distinction between a conspiracy and a mass movement. Certainly, there are conspiratorial aspects in any revolution, but once there are thousands of people openly involved, is it still a conspiracy?

but before there are thousands of people involved, the ring leaders are in a conspiracy.

Conspiracy is normal in human history, government, business, organized crime, intelligence agencies,

 

[Byron In Exile]

I read Rush To Judgment quite some years ago. I don't recall any other titles offhand. Do you have a recommendation?

(Note to LnN: Since Byron is a rational guy, worthy of respect, I'll listen to his side of the issue and consider his opinion. See, being nuts has it's drawbacks.)

You see how this goes?

Why can this issue not be discussed without being spammed to death?

 

[Byron In Exile]

but before there are thousands of people involved, the ring leaders are in a conspiracy.

Conspiracy is normal in human history, government, business, organized crime, intelligence agencies,

Fuck off, dipshit.

 

[FunLovingJerk]

You see how this goes?

Why can this issue not be discussed without being spammed to death?

If all evidence produced is spam, then what do you demand for evidence? A banana?

Become one with the monkey brain.

Drop your IQ to room temperature and say hello to bliss and ignorance!

Give Bill O'Reilly a kick when you meet him for me.

Heh?

I'm hard of hearing.

Somebody was calling a post filled with evidence in reply to another poster's post 'spam'

Get a grip on that banana, monkey man.

you are too bug-headed

http://images.livescience.com/images/ig43_yak_killer_09.jpg

 

[FunLovingJerk]

Fuck off, dipshit.

Fuck off, poo head.

 

[shoulderblade]

but before there are thousands of people involved, the ring leaders are in a conspiracy.

Conspiracy is normal in human history, government, business, organized crime, intelligence agencies,

Good point I think. There is always a factor of perspective. Once a movement becomes dominant it is no longer a conspiracy.

 

[Byron In Exile]

I'm hard of hearing.

No doubt.

 

[FunLovingJerk]

Good point I think. There is always a factor of perspective. Once a movement becomes dominant it is no longer a conspiracy.

See! There are brains in this joint.