Proof

[box13]

Just an FYI, there are apps available where a picture can be sent and it will last for 30 seconds or so when opened on the recipients phone. Not perfect, but a solution of sorts.

Yes there is...and I believe one of them had their server hacked recently and lots of account information and passwords stolen. Regardless of that however, any system which sends data electronically spends some amount of time storing the data on a server someplace...what the recipient gets is a copy of a copy of a copy...etc...of the message or the image that was taken. Digital data doesn't move like a piece of mail at the post office, where it's physically transferred and nothing is left over at each point of transition once the item moves forward...it's copied and transferred byte-by-byte, and if there's an error, then the system can try to send another copy. It may try several times. There may be several copies "floating" around. That's why it's trivial for tech giants to assist in gathering information for surveillance programs, and for hackers to steal personal information.

 

[LadyVer]

I've lost count of the men who've lost interest when they realize I was serious about not sending pics. I think some of them thought I would change my mind after a while, or they could talk me into it.

This is probably why my pic request thread died a slow death. I wasn't willing to share pics with men who posted. Not all of the men expected a quid pro quo, but about half of them did. Then, there are men who are just as cautious as women about sharing pics.

 

[bhndblueyes88]

You can take a screen shot of whatever is on the phone's screen. Most Android and iPhones are capable of it.

You can also use another device to take a picture of that picture on the phone. And I find myself doubting that these pictures aren't stored ANYWHERE for a longer period of time.

And then there's the question...how long does a skilled hacker really need to pull a picture off an app like snapchat if he's already hacked into the system?

^---constant questions like this is why I never send naked pictures, pictures with my face, or compromising pictures with my tattoos. Yes, it's still to always ask "what-if"...but the consequences of what-if happening are not worth the pay out.

 

[Dyslexicea]

You are role-playing, you are not having a relationship. So it all makes sense.

Oh my god, this is a first, I actually agree with you.

I don't do on-line, it just doesn't do anything for me but if I did, with no expectations for anything other than on-line, it would be nothing more than a game. I surely wouldn't send you a picture of myself, clothed or otherwise. You could type, type, type until your fingers bled but you wouldn't get a picture.

If you kept pestering I'd stop playing.

 

[DVS]

Yes there is...and I believe one of them had their server hacked recently and lots of account information and passwords stolen. Regardless of that however, any system which sends data electronically spends some amount of time storing the data on a server someplace...what the recipient gets is a copy of a copy of a copy...etc...of the message or the image that was taken. Digital data doesn't move like a piece of mail at the post office, where it's physically transferred and nothing is left over at each point of transition once the item moves forward...it's copied and transferred byte-by-byte, and if there's an error, then the system can try to send another copy. It may try several times. There may be several copies "floating" around. That's why it's trivial for tech giants to assist in gathering information for surveillance programs, and for hackers to steal personal information.

There are any number of ways to copy a picture, even if it's going to self destruct in 30 seconds. You think some hacker needs 30 seconds to get something, if he really wants it?

It's also kind of like trying to burglar proof your house. You can put fancy locks on the doors and windows, even bars. You can set up an alarm that calls somebody when it's tripped. The idea of all of that is to make your house less inviting than your neighbor's. The basic burglar doesn't want to spend any more time than he needs to, if he doesn't know what's inside. But, if somebody wants in that house, because he knows what's in there, he's going to find a way in. If he knows the pay off is worth the effort, he's going to get in.

It's the same thing, here. If somebody really wants your pics or your information, they'll figure out a way. Don't underestimate the ingenuity of a thief.

 

[marieR19]

I haven't read the entire thread, but I'd like to respond to the OP and the issue at hand, since I'm one of those women.

Yes, trust needs to be established before sending possibly-intimate pictures to someone you don't actually know (at least, let's HOPE most people would wait until there's trust...).

And yes, it does seem sort of counter-intuitive to express yourself as a submissive, wanting a dom, obeying certain things, etc, and then balk at something as simple as sending "proof", ie pictures.

It's not always so cut and dry. Case in point: I was with someone for 3 years, *not* just online playing around but a very serious IRL relationship, trust was established looooong ago.... The only time she ever saw me naked was the day we broke up (break-up sex).

Sometimes it's not about trust at *all*, but about that own person's specific hang-ups. You want "proof" that I'm... what, exactly? You aren't specific in that first post about the type of proof besides picture of a shirt or dildo. I'm pretty dang sure you wouldn't be satisfied with *just* that and nothing more. Ever. 'Cause I'd have no problem with those two things. But that's never, ever where it stops.

I will never, ever, ever take a photo of myself naked, or ANY part of my normally-clothed body. Ever. For no one. Sure as heck not for someone online that I've never met. And as I mentioned, that also includes a 3-year serious relationship. I have serious body-image issues and it just Will. Never. Happen.

Now, be honest: If I was one of those girls you talk to and I told you that, ie gave you an actual reason, but was very clear that it's not about trust and it will NEVER happen, would you be okay with that? Is it really just about wanting to know a reason for the lack of "proof"?

 

[Emmanuelle83]

FWIW, some of us work in fields where any act that mgiht be construed as "immoral" by the nuttiest of ultra-conservative moralist jackholes (think your average school board member, for example) could, if discovered, be the end of one's career. I wouldn't send a nude pic of myself to anyone under any conditions ever. Not ever.

What might look like lack of trust to an insecure domly dom could actually be a case of perfectly reasonable self-preservation.