ok so I finally saw Shallow Hal...

[Silverluna]

I had told myself I really didnt want to see another movie making fun of fat people, or people with something wrong with them...

I actually enjoyed the warmth, humor, and overall good feelings, the movie displayed. (oh and the little tail wag just floored me!!!)

 

[Guest]

Gwen is very good with accents. I love her like I love my wrist.

 

[Mistress]

I wanna see it...no fair

 

[capricious_chic]

In total agreement.. I had avoided this movie when it first came out because of all the hype.. and was pleasantly surprised when I rented it one night. Very sweet movie.

CC

 

[RawHumor]

It's entertaining and sadly realistic at the same time. Who'd have thought that Anthony (Tony) Robbins could be funny?

 

[Willing and Unsure]

I saw it... I liked some parts of it, but not that much of it. I wont ever see it again though. it just wasnt my type of movie....

 

[deliciously_naughty]

I don't know...I think it still perpetuated the stereotype that all ugly or overweight people are pretty on the inside. And the humor was still offensive (like the pool scene) and insensitive. However, I didn't hate it. but I don't feel the need to see it again.

 

[Silverluna]

it wasn't overly funny....didn't need to be.

 

[RawHumor]

I don't know...I think it still perpetuated the stereotype that all ugly or overweight people are pretty on the inside. And the humor was still offensive (like the pool scene) and insensitive. However, I didn't hate it. but I don't feel the need to see it again.

I agree totally. It was insulting and sweet at the same time. I probably wouldn't watch it again, but afterward, I had to admit that I enjoyed it. I also had to admit that I didn't want to enjoy it beforehand.

 

[capricious_chic]

The only thing that really stuck me as odd.. is that most of the girls I know who are heavy.. wouldn't wear a bikini.. or the shorts outfit that was worn.. IF they were as subconcious about their weight as this girl was supposed to be. Just a thought.

CC

 

[Silverluna]

deliciously_naughty,

I must disagree...
I am a plus sized girl. I thought it was intresting how he looked past what he wanted to see in Rosemary...and see her for who she really was. AND still love her.

<edited to add more words>

Many people see fat people or ugly people as some sort of sexy fetish....or maybe a Goddess...not a real person.


JMO....

 

[deliciously_naughty]

deliciously_naughty,

I must disagree...
I am a plus sized girl. I thought it was intresting how he looked past what he wanted to see in Rosemary...and see her for who she really was. AND still love her.

<edited to add more words>

Many people see fat people or ugly people as some sort of sexy fetish....or maybe a Goddess...not a real person.


JMO....

I'm also plus sized (190lbs I think...I don't own a scale b/c I'd get all obsessive compulsive about it). You outline my exact problem...he had to look past what he wanted to see, and if he hadn't seen her as skinny before hand he never would've even talked to her. The movie perpetuates that weight or looks are something that have to be looked past, not accepted from day one.

Also, I had an issue with the fact that she wore the clothes she did. While I defend a womans right to wear whatever she pleases (and own my fair share of short skirts and such) most women who are even moderately overweight (such as I) wouldn't wear those things, much less a woman as overweight as rosemary was portrayed to be.

I would agree partially with what you said about stereotyping fat people...but I would also disagree and argue that the same stereotypes are perpetuated against everyone. My best friend is a size 6 and gorgeous and she is constantly treated like she doesn't have a brain (while she can in reality argue literature and poetry with the best of them). I was out on a date and after telling the guy that I was working towards a doctorate, he looked me dead in the eye and said "I don't usually date girls that smart."

Again, I will restate that while I did enjoy parts of the movie, other parts still really bothered me then and now. But everyone has the right to an opinion and no one's a 100% right

 

[Silverluna]

thank you for sharing your opinion. It had some very good points.
I agree with the clothing....a bit unrealistic.

 

[freakygirl]

You guys..

the sexy clothing the "skinny" girl was wearing is what he saw her wearing.. (remember the sexy underwear scene)

towards the end.. when we see her as herself and again when we see her the way he does.. her clothing is the same color, just a more "suitable" style for her.

Unless I'm remembering the movie wrong..

 

[deliciously_naughty]

You guys..

the sexy clothing the "skinny" girl was wearing is what he saw her wearing.. (remember the sexy underwear scene)

towards the end.. when we see her as herself and again when we see her the way he does.. her clothing is the same color, just a more "suitable" style for her.

Unless I'm remembering the movie wrong..

Um, maybe in the absolute end, but there's the scenes where she's seen from others perspectives, like when she's at her parents house and she's wearing the skimpy stuff then, like the daisy dukes.

 

[Silverluna]

i rememeber both parts, and frankly i only noticed cause her dad mentioned it...

 

[freakygirl]

I must have missed that part.

I liked the movie enough to purchase it. Maybe I'll watch it again in the next few days.

 

[phatcat]

*tip-toeing between mines*

Didn't like the movie because it starts on the wrong premise (which you have already mentioned) in that excess weight (like a handicap) needs to be overlooked. Personally, I think we grow up with stereotypes for our future attractions and it's not easy (read: very difficult) to change that. TV people, fashion mags, school, all taylor your views to what's attractive, what's not. On reaching adult hood, you would have to be hypnotized to discard so many years of conditioning.

 

[InnocentAngel81]

i seen the movie a few months back and found it very entertaining especially the tail scene

 

[DevilBoy79]

Cankles!

 

[capricious_chic]

Re: *tip-toeing between mines*

Didn't like the movie because it starts on the wrong premise (which you have already mentioned) in that excess weight (like a handicap) needs to be overlooked. Personally, I think we grow up with stereotypes for our future attractions and it's not easy (read: very difficult) to change that. TV people, fashion mags, school, all taylor your views to what's attractive, what's not. On reaching adult hood, you would have to be hypnotized to discard so many years of conditioning.

To a point I would agree with you.. Depends on how one grew up.. For example.. We rarely watched TV (a condition I carry on today), fashion mags and such were frivilous and not brought into the household.. Almost all of our interaction was with a highly diverse group. Even in school.. I never stayed w/in one social "group" as it were. People on the whole are fascinating.. and I learned at a very young age to never discount someone because of physical presence. Perhaps I was very lucky.. I think really the predisposed stereotypes of what an ideal mate is.. is only really applicable to those that are very young.. because as we get older we realize that our idea of perfection.. is not always societies... Unless of course, one is very shallow .

CC

 

[phatcat]

To take it further...

If you took away all those influences that I mentioned, you'd still have some subconscious factors that would steer you towards a likely mate and those would be based on the templates of your parents... (sorry, don't mean to sound like psych 101)

A good example of happens when these factors are absent from a person's life is people who were raised in isolation (or in the wild)... rare cases when a child is survives a planecrash in the jungle or some such and is not discovered until after puberty sets in: they have no basis of comparison and they tend to gravitate to what they feel "eminates" from people (prefering the kind, smiling, happy to the sad, angry) instead of judging by appearance. The main thing they distiguish (and use for basis of prejudgement) are facial expressions (which are programmed in the subconcious).. the other physical traits in people are so foreign to them that they play near zero consequence.