Ok I am pulling this out from one thread, to discuss it here without totally hijackin

[Byron In Exile]

Let me fess up. There is an apartment complex there, but for the life of me I can't remember the name. Villas at Prestonwood creek of something like that?? Anyway, I lived there about two years ago. That apartment number is valid too. However, I don't know anyone named Bill Steward. I made that name up on a whim.

What kind of an imbecile would believe that someone would post up their real address on an anonymous internet website? I can't figure out why someone would waste their time with an internet pissing contest....like I'm going to fly to California and whip LT's ass or he is going to fly here....all just because of something said on a message board. LOL. The whole idea of carrying a grudge for such a thing is ludicrous.

ya know wat would suck?

If LT seriously got on a plane and went there to kick someones ass.....and someone answered the door and was beaten to death or something.


Do you think posting a real apt number and address was all that smart? Even f it wasnt yours?


Does anyone here ever give deeop thought to their actions and possible consiquences?

roflmao!

I'd sooner expect a visit from Mickey Mouse.

Or a lunatic.


It was posted on a public board, for anyone to see.


What about anyone else who lives in the area?

It was just stupid.

His or not, he amits to it being a real address.

POsting it was very irrisponsible.

I don't want to alarm you unnecessarily, but right now, in your phone book, there are hundreds of thousands of real addresses, published, for anyone to see.

In fact, if you go outside, you may see dozens of houses and apartments, whose address you don't even need to know. You can just walk up to the door, knock on it, and beat the crap out of whomever answers. And you won't have to arrange for round-trip plane tickets, hotel accomodations, or the rest of it.

The point here, which you obviously missed, is that nobody is going to go to all that trouble over an unverified address of an unknown person from a dubious source.

Right, no shit Hserlock. Naming the phone book...thats the exact same thing!


Ok, say I post a fake address saying it is me......I have had a net stalker

He says "bingo" Goes to that house, A 30 year old widow and mother of 4 lives there (who knows) Anyway, this person who had been following me, beats down the door, rapes and murders her....leaves her kids without both parents, yet she didnt even have anything do do with it since she is working 4 jobs to support her children.

Giving an address online, saying it is you, when it isnt is irresponsible.


You cant see that? Well think about it and grow up before trying to make excuses.


*edited to add.


I do not have a net stalker.....It was to make a point

The only point you made here is that you missed my point completely. You've presented a different scenario, where you set someone up the same way LT did. And what does anyone working four jobs have to do with anything?

The difference is, this address was posted all over newsgroups in connection to racist propaganda and other bullshit that could set some fucktard off.

Exactly. And who did that?

Who took an address which might have belonged to anybody, and without knowing for certain whose address it was, posted it all over newsgroups in connection to racist propaganda and other bullshit in hopes of setting some fucktard off?

That was LovingTongue's idea, and his intent.

In fact, however, LT's postings were dismissed as the work of a troll, making a juvenile attempt to have some unsuspecting "fucktard," as you put it, carry out an assault for him.

In any case, is it the person posting a random address, or the person making racist postings and attaching that address to them in an effort to incite criminal activity who is culpable?

In reality, of course, no self-respecting fucktard would risk going to jail over someone else's internet feud, even if it involved walking next door.

Honestly, I doubt anything will happen. I think the chances are slim to none.

However, I do think it was irresponsible on both of their parts to both use/post the address in the first place and then to take it to the newsgroups as it was.

Yes, the chances are slim, but nowadays with all of the fucked up people using the internet, you just can't be too careful - and if something were to happen to the person living at that address, the both of them should be held fully responsible for it.

It has nothing to do with 'self respect' and everything to do with anger/emotional reaction/mental instability.


A responsible adult wouldn't put some innocent, unknowing party at risk - no matter how small - over a stupid internet brawl.


Crazier things have happened.

Slim to none? What would you guess the probability is, statistically? How many times has someone posted a random address on Usenet, and had some other random person go to that address and kill the person who lived there?

you are assuming everyone on the net is self respecting and mentally stable

Assuming you're talking about this: "In reality, of course, no self-respecting fucktard would risk going to jail over someone else's internet feud, even if it involved walking next door." — then let me rephrase and hopefully clarify it for you, since the "self-respecting fucktard" phrase apparently whizzed over your head:

In reality, nobody would risk going to jail over someone else's internet feud, even if it involved walking next door. If you posit a person who is that mentally unstable, why would they be sitting and reading Usenet newsgroups day after day looking for addresses of people to murder? How long will they have to wait before they find a local one? It might be ten years. Or never. And even then, why waste time on an address that could be fake or even some sort of trap or set-up?

Honestly, I doubt anything will happen. I think the chances are slim to none.

However, I do think it was irresponsible on both of their parts to both use/post the address in the first place and then to take it to the newsgroups as it was.

Yes, the chances are slim, but nowadays with all of the fucked up people using the internet, you just can't be too careful - and if something were to happen to the person living at that address, the both of them should be held fully responsible for it.

You might have a case against LT, since he was attempting to incite a crime. But that Warmachine would be in any way responsible for another person's criminal activity is absurd. If he had provided his own address in good faith, then you're saying he would be responsible for any crime perpetrated against himself. His posting of his address would have made the crime possible, but that doesn't make him culpable for the crime. It's like the idea that women who reveal too much cleavage are responsible for their own rapes. Criminals have to be held responsible for their crimes, and that such a simple fact eludes people these days is why the justice system is so fucked up. It's never the criminal's fault, because he was abused as a child, or didn't get the scholarship, or someone posted an address on the internet and he got angry.

It has nothing to do with 'self respect' and everything to do with anger/emotional reaction/mental instability.

We'd best tread lightly around them then, so as not to set them off.

A responsible adult wouldn't put some innocent, unknowing party at risk - no matter how small - over a stupid internet brawl.

What's an "internet brawl"? Bits flying around over optical cables? "Stupid" may be accurate, but "brawl" is giving it a bit too much credit, I think.

You don't even know whether the address is real or not. All you have is Warmachine's assertion that it's real. Someone in one of the newsgroups tried to locate it and said it isn't real.

For the sake of argument, let's say that Warmachine posted a real address and then let's say that that was irresponsible. Who the hell is "Warmachine"? Don't you realize how ridiculous this becomes? There's no way to stop any anonymous person from posting any random address at any time on Usenet and saying it's anything they want to say it is.

If you want to scold whomever is behind the Warmachine ID about it, then go ahead. Tell him he was irresponsible, and see what he says.

If you're genuinely concerned that someone in Plano, Texas has been put at risk, here, why don't you send a letter to "resident" at that address and warn them so they can take the necessary steps to protect themselves? That would be the responsible thing to do.

What Warmachine did, posting an address and claiming it was his, was contrary to the Lit guidelines, and it was removed. It was an unwise thing to do, whether it was his or not, and I never claimed it was "okay." As for his responsibility for any criminal thing done with that address, I've already said what I think about that.

What LovingTongue did with it, however, was, and I think Heretic was an order of magnitude off here, a hundred times worse, because he used it repeatedly in an attempt to cause criminal acts to be committed upon the occupant of that address, not even knowing who that might be. Even so, the chances of anything coming of it are practically zero, for reasons stated above.

So, to sum up what I think for Emerald Eyed, I don't agree that what Warmachine did was "just stupid," or "very irrisponsible (sic)," and the fact that "he amits (sic) to it being a real address" is meaningless, since it may not even exist. If it did, I would call posting it "unwise," but I would reserve "stupid" and "very irresponsible" as terms to describe posting an unknown address in african-american culture newsgroups with subject lines like "I need money to go shoot niggers."

 

[Pookie]

That still doesn't change the fact you are making excuses for the whole posting of a real/fake address.

If I'm not mistaken, the address was a fake/fake one. Byron posted some time ago that the address was discovered by newsgroup posters to not be a real address at all. So Byron knew his egging LT on was not setting some unsuspecting person up for an internet lunatic. I also could be mistaken, but I do believe Byron chided LT about putting an innocent person in jeapordy, before the "fake/fake" discovery was made.

 

[Pookie]

If I'm not mistaken, the address was a fake/fake one. Byron posted some time ago that the address was discovered by newsgroup posters to not be a real address at all. So Byron knew his egging LT on was not setting some unsuspecting person up for an internet lunatic. I also could be mistaken, but I do believe Byron chided LT about putting an innocent person in jeapordy, before the "fake/fake" discovery was made.

After I posted this, I saw Byron's post. One thing I want to point out ...

Originally posted by WARMACHINE
Let me fess up. There is an apartment complex there, but for the life of me I can't remember the name. Villas at Prestonwood creek of something like that?? Anyway, I lived there about two years ago. That apartment number is valid too.

I recall Byron (or someone) quoting a newsgroup post as saying that the address given had been check out, and that it wasn't a legitimate address. There was an apartment complex there, but the specific address given was not legitimate. I can try to dig up where that was posted, if it makes any difference.

 

[In&Out]

My 2 cents worth

At this point I think this topic should just go away before more harm (or potential harm) is done.

If anything were to happen to anyone at that address, all the information contained in this and other threads related to this topic would make great exhibits in a civil or criminal case involving neglience


As has been said here before
"That Is All"

 

[Byron In Exile]

If I'm not mistaken, the address was a fake/fake one. Byron posted some time ago that the address was discovered by newsgroup posters to not be a real address at all. So Byron knew his egging LT on was not setting some unsuspecting person up for an internet lunatic. I also could be mistaken, but I do believe Byron chided LT about putting an innocent person in jeapordy, before the "fake/fake" discovery was made.

I asked LT repeatedly what made him think the address he was so hot on spewing everywhere with racist subject lines was actually Warmachine's and not a false one, and in typical LT fashion, he ignored the question every time.

He's been posting the address on Usenet for months now.

Warmachine just told him the address was fake, confirming what was posted some time ago on Usenet.

Whether the address is an actual apartment that exists or not, anyone who seriously thinks I've "egged LT on" today needs to read this thread: https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?threadid=222163, and then, if they still think so, have their heads examined.

I doubt there's anyone dumber than LT on this board, but I admit I never thought there'd be anyone as dumb, so I'm ready to be surprised.

 

[Byron In Exile]

Yeah, sorry but I ragged on him way before right now, even when I thought it was his address.

Who didn't?

I've been on him about it the whole time.

 

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[Byron In Exile]

I really hate to say it, I have never spoken to you before this.

You have hit troll status with me.

If I told you I didn't give a damn, would you hold it against me?

 

[Byron In Exile]

hwarmachine said it was a valid apt # and complex and address.

his old address he lived in 2 years ago....this was long before he posted it saying it was his

That's what he said.

You didn't read my post, did you?

 

[Guest]

 

[Pookie]

hwarmachine said it was a valid apt # and complex and address.

his old address he lived in 2 years ago....this was long before he posted it saying it was his

I know he said it was a valid address. But I know what a poster on the newsgroups said not long after it was posted as well, after it supposedly was checked out. WM said he isn't even sure about the name of the apartment complex. Also, I believe WM said somewhere else that he wasn't even sure about the zip code. So I wouldn't add too much credibility to WM saying now that it is a valid address. I can't say that the newsgroup poster wasn't lying about checking on it's validity. I do know WM gave a grocery store address to begin with when the whole thing with LT started, before changing it later to this address.


Edited for context.

 

[SirJax]

That is wrong

they should be taken off Ed McMahon's list so the million dollars goes to someone else

 

[Pookie]

I asked LT repeatedly what made him think the address he was so hot on spewing everywhere with racist subject lines was actually Warmachine's and not a false one, and in typical LT fashion, he ignored the question every time.

He's been posting the address on Usenet for months now.

Warmachine just told him the address was fake, confirming what was posted some time ago on Usenet.

Whether the address is an actual apartment that exists or not, anyone who seriously thinks I've "egged LT on" today needs to read this thread: https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?threadid=222163, and then, if they still think so, have their heads examined.

I doubt there's anyone dumber than LT on this board, but I admit I never thought there'd be anyone as dumb, so I'm ready to be surprised.

I didn't mean my post to say that you were encouraging him to post the address more. My bad, and I apologize. You and I both (and others) have been on him for some time now about the idiocy of his newsgroup postings.

 

[Byron In Exile]

i sort of began skipping over most your posts.

If you put me on Ignore, you won't have to scroll through them.

However, had I started a thread for your benefit, I would at least read what you posted in it.

This all started with me saying it was irresponsible, and you mocking me for it with your mickey mouse post.

I wasn't mocking you with my reference to Mickey Mouse. I found the idea of "if LT seriously got on a plane and went there" to be that improbable. I really would expect to see Mickey Mouse on my doorstep first. Had you been following this amusing show for the last few months, you would not have been surprised by my reaction.

i tried to make my point, you replied with asking me if i was drunk.

I responded to two of your posts, which were full of spelling mistakes and typos, and you began your third post with "Right, no shit Hserlock," (sic) a , and ending it with "Well think about it and grow up before trying to make excuses." I hadn't insulted you at that point, and there was no reason to tell me to "grow up." By asking if you were drunk, I was at least giving you the benefit of the doubt.

Anyway, Angel had joined in by then, and since she was spelling words correctly, and making more direct points, and you were quoting her and saying "exactly" and "very well said," I decided I would talk to her instead.

Thank you sooooo much for trying to see my side.

You couldn't agree with it being wrong.

Well, I didn't agree, but I'm not sure what you mean with that last sentence, exactly.

 

[Byron In Exile]

Re: My 2 cents worth

At this point I think this topic should just go away before more harm (or potential harm) is done.

If anything were to happen to anyone at that address, all the information contained in this and other threads related to this topic would make great exhibits in a civil or criminal case involving neglience

As has been said here before
"That Is All"

I'm sure it's already all safely recorded on the hard drives of the Information Awareness Office.

 

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Re: Re: My 2 cents worth

 

[Byron In Exile]

I didn't mean my post to say that you were encouraging him to post the address more. My bad, and I apologize. You and I both (and others) have been on him for some time now about the idiocy of his newsgroup postings.

I didn't take it that way, and there's no apology necessary. I know that you know what I think about his silly project — you tried to reason with him to knock it off as much as I did. And for my part, I have to admit that I was not as concerned about some innocent person being victimized as I was interested in what the hell LT was thinking. Crazy people fascinate me. Anyway, that anyone suggested I was, as I said, "egging LT on," was in reference to this gem:

Right, they are both at fault.

However, byron is egging it on with LT.

He feels it is ok.

Posting it (LT and WARMACHINE) and approving of it.

All are guilty here in my eyes

 

[Byron In Exile]

Re: Re: Re: My 2 cents worth

*snickers*

Byron, I am the queen of typos. Typos happen to everyone. You have to admit 'Hserlock' was an obvious typo.

So tell me why I should spend more time reading and deciphering your posts than you spend in writing them.

Using LT was an example of violence that could occur with an irresponsible act.

You could only see LT in that, not the actual example.

Your defense in this whole lil shitfest is trying to point out how stupid I am. You could agree with nothing. You only pointed out my mistakes, and my misuse of quotation marks.

You said Byron said this, and Byron thinks that. None of which was even fucking close to what I said or thought. Misuse of quotation marks? I am so tempted right now to provide an example, that I think I'd better not.

Warmachine was wrong, and defending it by talking about the phone book and all the addresses listed in there does not make it right.

In this whole hoopla, you seem to make excuses and defend the use of this address.

Why?


Of course you could use this post to mock, or make fun of me. Or you could just answer the question of why?

No.

I will resist the urge to make fun of you.

Read more, and post less, and then we'll talk.

 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: My 2 cents worth

 

[freakygirl]

Byron you are running circles here... Ya damn troll. Read her title.. she can't be wrong. So get over yourself and admit that everything you say is wrong.

Al'right? Thanks.

 

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[bra_man69]

 

[freakygirl]

Freaky, besides the fact my origional post in the other thread had nothing to do with him, yet he decided to make fun of it and point.......

Oh nevermind......

Jeez.. don't let everything get your panties in a wad.

You brought Byron into this from the beginning. This thread was made to bring attention to him.

 

[SleepingWarrior]

Jeez.. don't let everything get your panties in a wad.

You brought Byron into this from the beginning. This thread was made to bring attention to him.

Read the other thread first ya ditz.

 

[freakygirl]

And another thing.. It's really really really sad when one must explain when they are joking.

That is all.