No, the Democrats did not lose by going too far left.

[Yarglenurp]

Intelligence includes being able to read and comprehend what is written, which once again you continue to demonstrate an inability to do.

The fuck you do. Half of what you want isn't a basic human right at all and if you really cares about basic human rights you wouldn't make a huge part of your platform and efforts to be taking away basic human rights from others.

There’s not really any point in arguing with him, you know. He posts a shit ton, at all hours of the day, on a workday.

If you knew him IRL, you’d just walk away from him. The problem is that to you, behind the screen, he seems just as reasonable as you.

Leave it. Trump will do it for you, by fucking everything up, including his government benefits.

 

[Lazaran]

I disagree. By every reasonable and intelligent measure the nation in 2024 should be beyond ready to be far more open to what is considered "left" but they aren't. They are still mostly stupid and ignorant and sadly conservative. The one time we didn't elect an old white straight man as president was when he was half black and a once in a lifetime level orator and leader. The Dems keep thinking they can push more left but they can't. But they never learn. In 2028 JD Vance will likely win after four disastrous years because the Democrats will run a Buttegeig Rhonna ticket as they continue to ignore that 50 million voters in this country are totally consumed with their racist, sexist, misogynistic, bigoted beliefs that they shamefully hide until the ballot comes .

One of the main culprits (imho) for the Democratic Party’s struggles this election cycle are the niche groups that the Democratic Party requires for its coalition.

These niche groups forced Democratic candidates to go on record supporting the most extreme wishes of these niche groups in order to get those niche groups endorsement:

Transgender surgery for all inmates??? Sure.

Trans women in women’s sports??? Sure.

Open Borders??? Sure.

Voting rights in local elections for non-citizens??? Sure.

Defund the police??? Sure.

Support Hamas run Gaza??? Sure.

Support extreme Israelis??? Sure.

End all fossil fuel use instantly??? Sure.

Etc, etc, etc.

(And , of course, the demand that the Democratic Party clean up the republicans’ mess without any pain for themselves personally when it comes to their finances.)



And once the candidates are on record saying they support the most extreme wishes of these niche groups, they open themselves up to being bludgeoned by them in the future. Kamala was a victim of her past statements AND a double standard, because she was held accountable for her statements. President Biden was held to a double standard as well, though in a very different way.



Side note:

The betrayal by the groups that held President Biden and Kamala to an impossible standard due to their own feelings of betrayal have been noted. They will get less assurances on their more extreme wishes from Democratic candidates moving forward.



I still have hope for the future, as DonOld has now positioned himself for epic FAILURE as the populist messiah of the low education working class folks AND the ultimate benefactor of the mega rich - as well as the magical peacemaker of the world:

DonOld has made promises on domestic affairs (mass deportations, etc) and the economy that are laughable.

DonOld has made promises on foreign affairs (war diplomacy) and trade that are farcical.



DonOld is going to FAIL spectacularly…again, but his legal issues look like they’re behind him, (for now), and he will profit bigly off the presidency (just like last time) so he probably gives zero fucks. The "republican" party, on the other hand, is going to give manny fucks when they are held accountable for DonOld’s false / empty promises and they have to face an electorate of betrayed MAGAts and normal voters.

In two or four years, the Democratic Party will be expected to clean up the mess…again, but this time there will be NO promises to ANY group in the electorate on their extreme / unrealistic wishes, and they will be reminded that history keeps repeating itself due to their gullibility when it comes to "republican" promises on basic domestic and foreign affairs.

JMTCW.

 

[JohnEngelman]

N.B.: DEI, CRT and wokeness are not "left". Those things cost the ruling class nothing. Left is all about the distribution of wealth. It's about flattening the socioeconomic pyramid.

What you say is true, but most whites associate those with the Democratic Party.

 

[TrailerHitch]

That is not the way I see it. Americans do not want to hear about gays, gender transfers, reparations, men playing in women's sports, letting illegal aliens run rampent cross the border and everything the Dems want to do to elevate the weird and illegal to a status above the norm. Take a fucking lesson.

This right here is the post of the day, the week, the month, the year, and potentially the decade.

A truth the dems will never acknowledge.

 

[Politruk]

This right here is the post of the day, the week, the month, the year, and potentially the decade.

A truth the dems will never acknowledge.

But all that stuff having to do with gays, etc., that's not left stuff. All those promises could be kept without at all changing the shape of the socioeconomic pyramid.

 

[glamorilla]

Everything woke turns to shit.

 

[Politruk]

Everything woke turns to shit.

Woke is not left.

 

[glamorilla]

this is what makes you an idiot.

 

[Politruk]

this is what makes you an idiot.

Woke is important -- wokeness is simply the awareness of social injustice -- but mainly in the form of racism, sexism, etc. All those things could be corrected without any significant redistribution of wealth, without costing the ruling class anything. Therefore, woke is not left. Corporations are allowed by their stockholders to have DEI programs and things only because they cost nothing -- DEI is not a threat the way a labor union is a threat.

 

[AceDesSpades]

Harris is as mentally superior to Trump as Stephen Hawking to a goat, so it can't be that.

subjective

personally, I saw little proof

I saw an overwhelmed giggling undergrad sorority sister against a fat old highly successful hedonist (daddy?)

I looked at all of that and still voted for the ultimate of all losers, Chase Oliver, because we're playing the long game and like RFK were staying fit (and armed) to that end which may, or may not, ever materialize (certainly not in my lifetime, I do not ignore reality). It's the struggle, the fight, fight, fight, that matters.

Talking back to the "know-it-alls."

 

[AceDesSpades]

unlike The Left, saying something other than

STFU!​

 

[UltraChad]

Intelligence includes being able to read and comprehend what is written, which once again you continue to demonstrate an inability to do.

The fuck you do. Half of what you want isn't a basic human right at all and if you really cares about basic human rights you wouldn't make a huge part of your platform and efforts to be taking away basic human rights from others.

No I nailed it. The left wants to eliminate private property and individual rights to promote equity......it's literally what defies the left. What do you think communist are?? Just good people who want good stuff???LOL Have you ever heard of Mao Zedong??? Teacher needs to grab some books and figure out what the left is before teacher promotes it??

No? That's mostly what we are all after. INDIVIDUAL rights and property....the opposite of the left.

We aren't trying to take any basic human rights, that's your side. Always has been, always will be.....Dem's haven't changed much in 200 years.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Why the left lost in one 3 minute clip. I love Scott Jennings. He never loses his cool and he sets it out so well, but you can see the whole Democatic Party loss wrapped up here in one clip. A bunch of condescending and downright rude liberal elitist women who illustrate in one hit what most Americans were voting against. Scotting Jennings is right - they just dont get it, they don't listen, they don't want to listen. Lefties are so far down the rabbithole they are never ever coming back out and you lefties here on this forum are just like these people here. You don't get it. Most of you never will. And Trump is going to bury you in the rubbish dump of history.

Gotta love it. 20 years of GOP Presidents coming up... 4 of Trump, 8 of Vance and then 8 of the 1st woman President - Tulsi Gabbard. As a Republican. rotflmao. And then it'll be Barron or Kai. LOL

"I'm not a Democrat. I'm a journalist.
"You don't know why you lost."
Gets mad that she was referred to as a Democrat. Yeah, they're never going to learn.

Democrats still don’t get it – they lost because they ignored what actually matters: the economy and immigration.
And all of you lefties on here are proving that. LOL. Keeping doing it, guys. Keep doing it. LOL

https://twitter.com/x/status/1855052366787268781

 

[AceDesSpades]

Do not like Tulsi.

Warm weather cultures are too mańana to accomplish much of anything. Yes, she's hot, but not for my lifestyle.

 

[TrailerHitch]

Woke is not left.

It sure as he'll isn't the right. The democrats pushed too far.

 

[Politruk]

No I nailed it. The left wants to eliminate private property and individual rights to promote equity......it's literally what defies the left. What do you think communist are?? Just good people who want good stuff???LOL Have you ever heard of Mao Zedong??? Teacher needs to grab some books and figure out what the left is before teacher promotes it??

None of that has anything to do with the Democrats.

 

[Politruk]

Why the left lost in one 3 minute clip.

The left did not lose because it did not participate.

 

[Politruk]

It sure as he'll isn't the right. The democrats pushed too far.

No, the right is not woke.

That's just the difference. The left is marginal in the Democratic Party, but the right has taken over the GOP.

 

[SevMax2]

Hey, you're preaching to the choir, especially given the results of the ballot initiatives. Those prove to me that people dug the message. They just didn't like the messenger.

 

[UltraChad]

It sure as he'll isn't the right. The democrats pushed too far.

It's 100% the left.... he's just trying to re-define the left to get away from the disaster the left is. Just like lefties always do....personal responsibility/accountability is like kryptonite to them.

 

[UltraChad]

None of that has anything to do with the Democrats.

Then why is the "progress" of collectivism and equity the root of or woven into EVERYTHING THEY DO??? Just like every leftist ever???

You can keep pretending they aren't left and try to redefine the left so you don't have to acknowledge them as the left but you look absolutely insane by doing so. As bad as the "REAL socialism has never been tried because if it had the communist utopia would have happened!!" crowd of delusional dumb fucks.

LOL, stop with the fantasies and lies.

 

[Politruk]

It's 100%143. the left.... he's just trying to re-define the left to get away from the disaster the left is.

Right up there with "REAL socialism has NEVER been tried!!!" lies lies lies, the left just can't help themselves.

See post #143.

The Working Families Party, the People's Party, the Democratic Socialists of America, the Socialist Party USA, the Communist Party USA -- that's the American left. And it has almost no influence in the Democratic Party. Not even an innocuous half-assed social democrat like Sanders can get the nomination.

But the GOP has been taken over by the Tea Party, which morphed into the Trump movement. Factions even further right than the old "movement conservatism" of Bill Buckley and Ronald Reagan, which was already pretty close to fascism.

No party can can fairly be called "left" unless its success would pose a real threat to the political power of the rich and the corporations, The Democrats do not meet that test. They are almost as wholly owned by the plutocracy as the GOP is.

 

[Rightguide]

No, it isn't. No more than feminism or LGBT rights are leftist.

Here's a good rule of thumb: If it costs the plutocrats nothing, it ain't leftist.

Of course it is -- but it is not Democratic policy. Never was, not even in the FDR or LBJ years.

Plutocrats are dropping DEI because its costing them their business. It's on its way out everywhere. Get a clue.

 

[UltraChad]

See post #143.

The Working Families Party, the People's Party, the Democratic Socialists of America, the Socialist Party USA, the Communist Party USA -- that's the American left. And it has almost no inlfuence in the Democratic Party. Not even an innocuous half-assed social democrat like Sanders can get the nomination.

Not left enough for your liking doesn't make them not left.

Your personal feelings are not what defines the left.

But the GOP has been taken over by the Tea Party, which morphed into the Trump movement. Factions even further right than the old "movement conservatism" of Bill Buckley and Ronald Reagan, which was already pretty close to fascism.

Liberalism is not fascism.

No party can can fairly be called "left" unless its success would pose a real threat to the political power of the rich and the corporations,

Stop trying to redefine the left to exclude leftist who can't help but fail...leftist failures are still leftist.

What a fantastic display of cope Politruk.

 

[UltraChad]

Plutocrats are dropping DEI because its costing them their business. It's on its way out everywhere. Get a clue.

He's stuck 40 years in the past at least...... seems to think the GOP and DNC are the same as they were in the 80's. What a fuckin' imbecile.