No, the Democrats did not lose by going too far left.

[RobDownSouth]

N.B.: DEI, CRT and wokeness are not "left". Those things cost the ruling class nothing. Left is all about the distribution of wealth. It's about flattening the socioeconomic pyramid.

CRT and DEI hurt tender white trash fee-fees.

*nods*

 

[ChloeTzang]

If anyone summed up the results best, it was CNN contributor Scott Jennings, on a panel with other CNN talking heads who, like all you here, couldn't wrap their heads around how Trump, the epitome of evil and corruption, could have won the election.

Basically, Trump won the national popular vote (hahaha), and now he has to do what he said he was going to do:
= get the economy back up and running,
= fix the border,
= reduce crime, and
= create a strong foreign policy.

And as for Trump's win: Jennings described the win as the "revenge" of the regular, anonymous American who "has been crushed, insulted, condescended to."

"They're not garbage, they're not Nazis, they're just regular people who get up and go to work every day, and try to make a better life for their kids, and they feel like they've just been told to shut up when they have complained about the things that have been hurting them in their own lives....

...I also feel like this election — as we sit here and pour over this tonight — is something of an indictment of the political information complex. And the story that was portrayed was not true. We were told Puerto Rico was going to change the election. Liz Cheney, Nikki Haley voters, women lying to their husbands, before that, it was Tim Walz and the camo hats. Night after night after night, we were told all these things, and gimmicks, were gonna somehow push Harris over the line, and we were ignoring the fundamentals.

Inflation, people feeling they were barely able to tread water at best, that was the fundamentals of the election. And so, I think both parties should always look at the results of the election, and figure out what went right and what went wrong. But I think for all of us who cover elections, and talk about elections, to do this on a day-to-day basis, we have to figure out how to understand, talk to, and listen to the half of the country that rose up tonight and said 'we've had enough.'"

There's a lot of reasons as to why the Democrats lost this election, but these a probably the most important points. The media failed to see the forest for the trees, and because they were hyper-focused on details that they (and you all here, and you're still doing it) told themselves mattered, they missed the real concerns of the American people. You didn't hear people's concerns... you didn't want to hear them, and you still don't. You're doubling down on failure. You're trying to rationalize this so the finger doesn't point back at you.

You lefties here ARE the elitists and extremists that moved the Democratic Party to the left, and more and more people see that as the extreme left, You've abandoned the working class and the middle class, ceded the middle ground and are nothing more than a collection of special interest groups with sometimes very divergent and conflicting interests (muslims and llbgqt or whatever for example) that are almost all harmful to America, when all most people want are jobs, the ability to buy a house and pay the mortgage, good schools for the kids and low to no crime and no foreign wars killing off their kids. You DON'T Listen. You lost, and your losses are only going to get worse.

Keep doing what you're doing. It's great for Republicans.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Keep calling the workers names and treat them condescendingly.


Yeah, that's the ticket . . . .

 

[AceDesSpades]

Worker's Party

Da

 

[RobDownSouth]

Got both white and semi-white trash responses within 15 minutes.

heh heh.

#SoreWinners
#WhiteGrievances
#OpenTheCamps!
#CrueltyIsTehPoint

 

[Politruk]

There are a lot of obituaries going around and I am sure that eventually, there will be a consensus, but the gut feeling is that too many people looked at Kamala Harris and did not see the promise of a first (black) woman president or someone who looked like them, but someone who was out of their depth, inarticulate and too unserious to lead

Harris is as mentally superior to Trump as Stephen Hawking to a goat, so it can't be that.

 

[Politruk]

That is not the way I see it. Americans do not want to hear about gays, gender transfers, reparations, men playing in women's sports, letting illegal aliens run rampent cross the border and everything the Dems want to do to elevate the weird and illegal to a status above the norm. Take a fucking lesson.

That's not left stuff. See post #2.

 

[Politruk]

Worker's Party

Da

That would be this.

 

[Rightguide]

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The idiot thinks the left should have killed off trump and half the country before they could throw his bums out.

 

[Politruk]

You lefties here ARE the elitists and extremists that moved the Democratic Party to the left

But it hasn't gone left. The party is still ruling-class property.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Sexists as well...

2016 Dems run a woman and lose
2020 Dems run not just a man, but an old wealthy career politician, the 'patriarchy' they claim to stand against-and win
2024 Dems run a woman and lose.

Gee, its almost as if all the 'woke' men who squeal "girl power" aren't ready to vote for one.

Another way of looking at this is that Trump cannot beat men, only women.
I understand how "Trump beating women" would enormous appeal to his base.

 

[Rebel5soul]

I suppose on the plus side, they have a tendency to abort their kids and sterlize the ones that survive the womb (that thing the left thinks is more akin to a graveyard).

There is that, auto-extinction.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

They lost by not going far left enough to offer any real, hopeful alternative …

“President Biden and Vice President Harris have pledged full cooperation with the incoming fascist president-elect, while issuing no warning to the American people of the dangers of mass repression and rule by force.”

World Socialist Web Site Frontpage

 

[Holy_Seduction]

“ … they're just regular people who get up and go to work every day, and try to make a better life for their kids …”

Yes.

And those are the people who, seeing the incoming regime’s intent to make war on the working clas … er … on the enemy within, will turn against him violently. As in a massive repudiation as does not exist in living memory.

 

[Politruk]

Yes.

And those are the people who, seeing the incoming regime’s intent to make war on the working clas … er … on the enemy within, will turn against him violently. As in a massive repudiation as does not exist in living memory.

Are you predicting a blue wave in the midterms, or something actually, well, violent?

 

[Holy_Seduction]

Are you predicting …

I used the language of mass repudiation and of violence. I could also say ‘vehemence.’ I am less certain about the specific form [likely including all these and more.

What I don’t expect is a D-Party recovery, for reasons [among others] that you outlined elsewhere re: its general orientation.

Replying to your other query, I spoke of The 1% and The Next 9%. The third social class is the working class, which is the 90%.

Elections have become a contest between The 1% and The Next 9% to decide which gets the lion’s share of the spoils produced by the 90%. Marx put it best saying in effect, “every few years, they let us decide WHICH section of the working class gets to order us around.”

Trump’s promise to bring war to ‘the enemy within’ is a thinly veiled threat against the working class, the 90%. And because [as you also noted] no principled opposition to Trump’s 1% / GOP attack on the working class is forthcoming from The Next 9% [“Democratic” Party], the working class will have no choice but to act in its own defense.

People are going to demand ‘clarification’ of my use of the word ‘violence.’ So I’ll address that now and leave the matter there:

I expect Trump’s campaign against the working class to be violent because — 1] the US always resolved class issues that way, and 2], this is the “enemy” within, and 3] this is Donald Trump.

It will be the scale and ferocity of Trump’s campaign which will determine the nature of the response to it. My expectation is that when it comes, workers will organize to defend themselves, their families, and their communities as they must.

Have a good one!

 

[Politruk]

the working class will have no choice but to act in its own defense.

But, it never does. Nowadays it's hardly even unionized. Where do you hope to find any class consciousness?

 

[ChloeTzang]

LOL. They're already there....This is a public school teacher in Bellevue, Washington.

 

[ChloeTzang]

That's not left stuff. See post #2.

It's Democrats. See Biden, Harris, et.al..

 

[Holy_Seduction]

“But, it never does. Nowadays it's hardly even unionized. Where do you hope to find any class consciousness.”

The first part of the answer to this question goes back to our shared discussion on the strategic shift in the Regan years.

Since PATCO, unions have betrayed the workers they supposedly “represent.” Unions function as a labor company, and policeman to enforce the terms of contracts on workers in the company interests.

There is no lack of worker determination to struggle. What you are seeing is the result of nearly an half century of suppression of worker struggles. With union bosses organizing the defeat of their membership, we can forgive people for thinking there is no way forward. BUT, we can’t leave them there.

The refusal of unions to lead worker strikes and struggles requires new organizations independent of both parties, led by the rank-and-file, that will unite all workers everywhere, and conduct the powerful strikes and struggles which company union toadies refuse to lead.

This means that workers take the struggle out of the hands of the unions, and unite workers in a struggle on three fronts:

Against corrupt union bosses,
Against the corporations themselves, and
Against the Biden-Trump-Etc. admins.

To the other part of your question, “where do we find class consciousness,” I reply: building that consciousness is our first task.

But know this: if class consciousness raising seems slow and laborious, be aware that when it begins to build, it can do so with incredible speed. And here’s the thing:

Trump’s war on workers is the prompt that will do it.

Take care, Politruk!

 

[ChloeTzang]

Replying to your other query, I spoke of The 1% and The Next 9%. The third social class is the working class, which is the 90%.

Elections have become a contest between The 1% and The Next 9% to decide which gets the lion’s share of the spoils produced by the 90%. Marx put it best saying in effect, “every few years, they let us decide WHICH section of the working class gets to order us around.”

Trump’s promise to bring war to ‘the enemy within’ is a thinly veiled threat against the working class, the 90%. And because [as you also noted] no principled opposition to Trump’s 1% / GOP attack on the working class is forthcoming from The Next 9% [“Democratic” Party], the working class will have no choice but to act in its own defense.

What you missed is that Trump now represents the American working class and middle class and speaks for them. There won't be a revolution AGAINST him. He's leading it. Why in heck do you think the old GOP has-beens like Paul Ryan and Romney and the Bush's hate him. Don't confuse the old RINO Republicans with the new populist MAGA GOP. We still have RINO's tp get rid of, like Susan Collins, but they're a remnant of the past that will soon be gone.

 

[ChloeTzang]

The first part of the answer to this question goes back to our shared discussion on the strategic shift in the Regan years.

Since PATCO, unions have betrayed the workers they supposedly “represent.” Unions function as a labor company, and policeman to enforce the terms of contracts on workers in the company interests.

There is no lack of worker determination to struggle. What you are seeing is the result of nearly an half century of suppression of worker struggles. With union bosses organizing the defeat of their membership, we can forgive people for thinking there is no way forward. BUT, we can’t leave them there.

The refusal of unions to lead worker strikes and struggles requires new organizations independent of both parties, led by the rank-and-file, that will unite all workers everywhere, and conduct the powerful strikes and struggles which company union toadies refuse to lead.

This means that workers take the struggle out of the hands of the unions, and unite workers in a struggle on three fronts:

Against corrupt union bosses,
Against the corporations themselves, and
Against the Biden-Trump-Etc. admins.

To the other part of your question, “where do we find class consciousness,” I reply: building that consciousness is our first task.

But know this: if class consciousness raising seems slow and laborious, be aware that when it begins to build, it can do so with incredible speed. And here’s the thing:

Trump’s war on workers is the prompt that will do it.

Take care, Politruk!

The scary thing is. I agree with some of that but I think you're way off track on Trump.

 

[Politruk]

What you missed is that Trump now represents the American working class and middle class and speaks for them.

Not in any way that will raise their real income. Which has been declining since 1980, and not because of anything the Democrats did.

 

[ChloeTzang]

But it hasn't gone left. The party is still ruling-class property.

Oh absolutely. But the issues they stand on - the woke bullshit, BLM, transgender, climate change, all the issues du jour. THAT is what the left now is. Perhaps not so much left as woke, but it IS what the left has become.

I would argue that in real terms, Trump is probably far more old-school left, with his emphasis on better pay for Americans, bringing jobs back to America, etc etc., than the Democrats, who have walked away from the old working classes in favor of the coastal elites and their issues du jour, which are elitist thru and thru.

 

[UltraChad]

CRT and DEI hurt tender white trash fee-fees.

*nods*

You support institutionalized racism against whites. Men too no doubt?? More proof Democrats have changed ideologically VERY LITTLE in the last 200 years.