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Raingirl85 said:
As a Muslim woman I can tell you you'd be surprised what happens behind closed doors, even in the most conservative families. As to less conservative families, many, many Muslim & ME girls flaunt what they got. Many. We are as diverse a group as any other running the gambit from gay, bi, sex-loving sluts (in the best way!) to those who have never worn makeup, never plucked their eyebrows, never even held hands with a boy. And then everyone in between.
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I agree with you completely....behind closed doors in never surprised what any person of any faith or background does!...lol, we're all just people.....just in my experience growing up most woman of middle eastern descent tend to be a little more modest when in the public eye....but definitely a generalization not meant to offend :)
 
Funnbrandy said:
I agree with you completely....behind closed doors in never surprised what any person of any faith or background does!...lol, we're all just people.....just in my experience growing up most woman of middle eastern descent tend to be a little more modest when in the public eye....but definitely a generalization not meant to offend :)
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Not offended at all! And there is definitely truth to that, key term being "public eye"!

And because I keep getting PMs...to anyone interested in the "secret" love lives of American Muslim women, check out the book Love, Inshallah (you can find it on amazon here: http://amzn.com/1593764286). It's NOT erotic lit. It's true stories of Muslim women spanning the spectrum from devout and conservative arranged marriages to nominal secular girls that have causal sex to practicing/conservative gay girls that have to work through what that means for them. It's honest, interesting, and a good representation of the diversity of our community and the private lives mainstream non-Muslims don't see.
 
Raingirl85 said:
Not offended at all! And there is definitely truth to that, key term being "public eye"!

And because I keep getting PMs...to anyone interested in the "secret" love lives of American Muslim women, check out the book Love, Inshallah (you can find it on amazon here: http://amzn.com/1593764286). It's NOT erotic lit. It's true stories of Muslim women spanning the spectrum from devout and conservative arranged marriages to nominal secular girls that have causal sex to practicing/conservative gay girls that have to work through what that means for them. It's honest, interesting, and a good representation of the diversity of our community and the private lives mainstream non-Muslims don't see.
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Sounds interesting.....but I'm sure most of this crowd would prefer a little lit in there ;)......there I go generalizing again! Damn! Lol
 
Raingirl85 said:
Not offended at all! And there is definitely truth to that, key term being "public eye"!

And because I keep getting PMs...to anyone interested in the "secret" love lives of American Muslim women, check out the book Love, Inshallah (you can find it on amazon here: http://amzn.com/1593764286). It's NOT erotic lit. It's true stories of Muslim women spanning the spectrum from devout and conservative arranged marriages to nominal secular girls that have causal sex to practicing/conservative gay girls that have to work through what that means for them. It's honest, interesting, and a good representation of the diversity of our community and the private lives mainstream non-Muslims don't see.
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Sounds like a fascinating anthology for sure. Thanks for letting us know about it. Always good to understand a community better and to be reminded that people, whatever their faith, are still individuals at heart. It's really, from the sound of it, a lot like what happens in Christian circles behind the scenes. I would know, as I grew up in a fundamentalist/evangelical Baptist minister's household. Pregnancies, affairs, secret homosexual relationships, May-December relationships, you name it, it's happened there, too. So, you know, life, for lack of a better word, happening among Muslims shouldn't be a shock at all, at least not to me.
 
SEVERUSMAX said:
Sounds like a fascinating anthology for sure. Thanks for letting us know about it. Always good to understand a community better and to be reminded that people, whatever their faith, are still individuals at heart. It's really, from the sound of it, a lot like what happens in Christian circles behind the scenes. I would know, as I grew up in a fundamentalist/evangelical Baptist minister's household. Pregnancies, affairs, secret homosexual relationships, May-December relationships, you name it, it's happened there, too. So, you know, life, for lack of a better word, happening among Muslims shouldn't be a shock at all, at least not to me.
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I was raised Catholic....probably the worst for not practising what they preach!...lol....I don't think I need to talk about the "controversy" surrounding that establishment....
 
SEVERUSMAX said:
Sounds like a fascinating anthology for sure. Thanks for letting us know about it. Always good to understand a community better and to be reminded that people, whatever their faith, are still individuals at heart. It's really, from the sound of it, a lot like what happens in Christian circles behind the scenes. I would know, as I grew up in a fundamentalist/evangelical Baptist minister's household. Pregnancies, affairs, secret homosexual relationships, May-December relationships, you name it, it's happened there, too. So, you know, life, for lack of a better word, happening among Muslims shouldn't be a shock at all, at least not to me.
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Precisely! And seriously done derailing the thread. I received a number of PMs that were genuinely culturally curious, not looking for dirty stories, just questions about culture and day-to-day life. That's why I posted this book rec. Will officially peace out barring any relevant pic sharing or appreciation that I can add to the thread.
 
Raingirl85 said:
Precisely! And seriously done derailing the thread. I received a number of PMs that were genuinely culturally curious, not looking for dirty stories, just questions about culture and day-to-day life. That's why I posted this book rec. Will officially peace out barring any relevant pic sharing or appreciation that I can add to the thread.
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Could share a pic of you.;):D
 
BCJ4 said:
Could share a pic of you.;):D
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I'm Muslim but not ethnically middle eastern, I'm eastern european. So unless you have a hijab fetish (I do wear the scarf) I don't think I would count for this thread. :) Actually a common misconception is that majority of Muslims are ME. This isn't true. The largest Muslim population is Indonesian. And there are many central asian and russian muslim communities also. But here in USA we all have to stick together as one community due to all the hate (and lets face it, everyone thinks we're all the same anyway); so I married a Persian, and have mostly Persian, Arab, and Pakistani friends in my community.
 
Raingirl85 said:
I'm Muslim but not ethnically middle eastern, I'm eastern european. So unless you have a hijab fetish (I do wear the scarf) I don't think I would count for this thread. :) Actually a common misconception is that majority of Muslims are ME. This isn't true. The largest Muslim population is Indonesian. And there are many central asian and russian muslim communities also. But here in USA we all have to stick together as one community due to all the hate (and lets face it, everyone thinks we're all the same anyway); so I married a Persian, and have mostly Persian, Arab, and Pakistani friends in my community.
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Very familiar with the diversity of ethnicities with Islam.;) Know people that served in the Balkans, wrestled with Lebanese guys in HS, went to college with guys from Afghanistan and Sudan, played soccer against Malaysian guys.
 
BCJ4 said:
Very familiar with the diversity of ethnicities with Islam.;) Know people that served in the Balkans, wrestled with Lebanese guys in HS, went to college with guys from Afghanistan and Sudan, played soccer against Malaysian guys.
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didn't mean to imply that you were unfamiliar. awesome that you have interacted with people from so many parts of the globe.
 
Raingirl85 said:
Here in USA we all have to stick together as one community due to all the hate (and lets face it, everyone thinks we're all the same anyway)
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I am very close friends with several Muslim families, but am Christian. I grieved with a Muslim family as they buried their premature son after having struggled to conceive him. My daughter has had overnighters at the houses of Muslim friends. It is just as bigoted to say that everyone in the US hates Muslims as it is for a bigot to hate all Muslims. The media does not report friends who respect each others religions. It only reports bigots who's opinions and actions rightly shouldn't be tolerated. Unfortunately, this media bias leads to perceptions like yours on both sides.
 
pplwatching said:
I am very close friends with several Muslim families, but am Christian. I grieved with a Muslim family as they buried their premature son after having struggled to conceive him. My daughter has had overnighters at the houses of Muslim friends. It is just as bigoted to say that everyone in the US hates Muslims as it is for a bigot to hate all Muslims. The media does not report friends who respect each others religions. It only reports bigots who's opinions and actions rightly shouldn't be tolerated. Unfortunately, this media bias leads to perceptions like yours on both sides.
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I never said "everyone hates" I said "all the hate". I used "everyone" in reference to "thinks we're all the same." And I meant that ethnically not politically, and with a sense of humor. Me and my Pakistani roommate shared an apartment for 2 years. Interacted fairly regularly with our neighbor, but we could tell he thought me and her were the same girl. We both wear the hijab, and due to our schedules we only ever each interacted with him individually. He thought we were one girl, but we look nothing alike! It was just the hijab! He was so startled the first time he came over to help us with our internet (we shared a wifi connection with him) and saw us both side by side!

As to my comment about "all the hate." There is a lot of it. I have been spit on, called names, humiliated at the airport, had the FBI at my door, and the list goes on. Black people sometimes talk about white women crossing the street at night when they see a black man walking down the sidewalk. For me it's the opposite. I feel safer with POC because, while not always, IME they have been less hateful towards me. All of this is not to say that I think all non-Muslim white Americans are like this. I have had many wonderful, friendly, curious, compassionate, inspiring interactions with non-Muslims also. But don't presume to reduce what we go through in the current climate and turn it around and tell me *I'm* being bigotted for bringing it up.

I have children. This year, at the tender age of 7 my son had to ask me what a terrorist was because someone called him that. You don't know. I'm sorry, but you fucking don't. As a mother it is especially heart breaking for me to see what my kids face. Yes, there are many amazing people out there that are not hateful, but that doesn't change what we deal with on a daily basis. Don a scarf for a day and find out.
 
And seriously??? Am I actually having to defend the existence of anti-Muslim hate in this country?? When a man like Trump is the republican front runner?? When Ted Cruz, presumably less hateful and more PC than Trump, says we need to surveillance of Muslim communities? When hate crimes against us are happening every single day? When my hijabi friends tell me they can't sleep, are afraid to go out in public? Seriously, I'm kind of pissed now.
 
Raingirl85 said:
Interacted fairly regularly with our neighbor, but we could tell he thought me and her were the same girl. We both wear the hijab, and due to our schedules we only ever each interacted with him individually. He thought we were one girl, but we look nothing alike! It was just the hijab! He was so startled the first time he came over to help us with our internet (we shared a wifi connection with him) and saw us both side by side!
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Are you assuming that it was the hijab or did he say that? Many people can differentiate between identical twins based on their patterns of speech and mannerisms. Other people can't distinguish between complete strangers because they just don't pay attention to things that they don't consider to be important. Your neighbor was rude, no doubt. Was he a religious bigot because he didn't realize that there were two of you or was he simply not paying attention?
 
pplwatching said:
Are you assuming that it was the hijab or did he say that? Many people can differentiate between identical twins based on their patterns of speech and mannerisms. Other people can't distinguish between complete strangers because they just don't pay attention to things that they don't consider to be important. Your neighbor was rude, no doubt. Was he a religious bigot because he didn't realize that there were two of you or was he simply not paying attention?
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I was never angry with my neighbor, he also wasn't rude. We thought it was hilarious. He was definitely not a bigot. He was a sweet guy. Guess what, sweet guys still have trouble differentiating people outside their own ethnic/cultural groups. And that is not a crime, happens to me too.

I'm done talking with you. You seem to be one of those "All Lives Matter" people that just completely misses the fucking point. Have a great day, but I'm out.
 
Raingirl85 said:
And seriously??? Am I actually having to defend the existence of anti-Muslim hate in this country??
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I am very sorry for what your friends and children have experienced. I don't believe that it reflects on the attitudes of most Americans. There is no doubt that some people are intolerant of any religion other than their own. There is also no doubt that some people let their fear rule their emotions. Unfortunately these people are very vocal. That doesn't mean that the majority of Americans are that way. More Americans identify with the Democratic party than the Republican party. It means that the rest of us need to do a better job of addressing the issue.
 
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