Never forget what feminism is really about

[richard_daily]

Yes, fuck them because "more equal" is supremacy not equality.

I know it's the right kind of demographic for you to support their supremacy....but no amount of that will make supremacy into equality.



Some pigs being more so than others of course!

No, more equal is closer to equal.

I know you have trouble with the definitions of words, but this one isn't even hard to comprehend.

Do you hate women as much as these idiots do?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I have still never addressed the issue of women CHEERING domestic violence against an innocent man. I lie through my teeth about LT in order to avoid discussing the issue.

I have never once spoken any facts in this thread.

Fixed for truth.

You're terrified of me, you're terrified of my criticisms, and you're terrified of talking about domestic violence against men because it interrupts your self-hatred of your own gender.

You continue to spout lies, I continue to retaliate against you by speaking the truth. Using cited facts that you are terrified as fuck to try and refute.

Even feminists admit they have an integrity problem about this issue.

http://www.thefeministwire.com/2013/03/feminist-anxiety-about-domestic-violence-against-men/

Unsurprisingly, men are far less likely than women to report incidents where they have been injured as it might call into question the status of their manhood. For men who did not hit back, retaliate, or perform an evasive action, there remains an expectation among many of the men themselves that they should have been able to fend off what transpired. Counselors note that boys and men who have been the victims of violence have a hard time accepting the label of victim. Feminized associations with victim language makes it difficult for men and boys who experience violence to seek and accept help. Unfortunately, when men do share their stories of abuse, it’s not uncommon for these accounts to produce anxiety, disbelief, and uncomfortable laughter. Some men recount having called a domestic violence hotline only to have their call treated as a prank.

One of the ways women’s acts of violence are explained is that they’re said to be acts of self-defense. And while in many cases this is true, one would have to systematically discount the testimonies of thousands of victims who report otherwise to believe this is the only context in which men are battered by women. The picture about women’s capacity for violence changes when taking into account domestic violence in lesbian relationships, mother’s physical abuse of their children, and women who commit sexual harassment in workplace.

Just over 11% of lesbians report incidents of domestic violence in their relationships; a quarter indicate a history of other forms of verbal and psychological abuse. What’s also known about violence in same sex relationships, as within communities of color, is the significant reluctance to report these issues, particularly when it involves punitive responses from the state. The fact of violence committed by same sex partners also complicates the premise of some group therapy that people are generally better off in “safe spaces” segregated by sex.

About 80% of physical child abuse is committed by a child’s parent, where mothers perpetrate 67% of acts of physical abuse against children; 40% of the time mothers act on their own and 17%of the time the child is abused by both parents. There is a subset of scholarly literature which seeks to debunk the notion that women are “more likely” to commit child abuse than men, when they spend similar time caring for children. This defensive posture in response to mothers committing violence seems connected to the idea that women need to be thought of only as victims and not sometimes as perpetrators, in order to be worthy of protection.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Whatever.
And I have absolutely no idea why you think Clinton getting elected was 'my cause'.
(a) Not my circus, not my monkeys.
(b) If it were my circus, I would have backed Sanders.

... and also, that's an astoundingly long bow to draw. Do you think anyone other than LJ remembers this incidents - it happened years ago.

You people are infamous for holding grudges over shit that happened decades ago. Feminists hold men as an entire gender responsible for shit that happened centuries ago.

Why is it okay for you and not for us?

 

[richard_daily]

Fixed for truth.

You're terrified of me, you're terrified of my criticisms, and you're terrified of talking about domestic violence against men because it interrupts your self-hatred of your own gender.

You continue to spout lies, I continue to retaliate against you by speaking the truth. Using cited facts that you are terrified as fuck to try and refute.

Even feminists admit they have an integrity problem about this issue.

http://www.thefeministwire.com/2013/03/feminist-anxiety-about-domestic-violence-against-men/

LT, I am not terrified of you. I laugh at you. I laugh at how sad and lonely and insignificant you are. All you can do is change my posts you quote, and you have never addressed what I say about you, with is the complete and total truth.

I don't address anything in your anti-woman posts, and here's why: because you take the acts of ONE person, and you dishonestly apply it with a broad brush to ALL feminists.

None of what you post is true, accurate, or a real depiction of real women who are involved in feminism.

You post out of fear of women. You're just like all of the lonely wingnuts on the board, the only difference is that you vote mostly for democrats, but inside, you're exactly the same as them. Lonely, scared, and desperate for attention.

That's another fact that you won't be able to address or listen to without covering your ears and going "nyaa nyaa nyaa, I'm not listening!"

 

[BobaFetaCheese]

Entertaining thread I suppose. Sort of a one trick pony tho.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

No, it hasn't lost isn't true meaning... here's the meaning:



If you are against that, you are an idiot.

Feminism is not about that anymore.

Modern feminism is about revenge against men. It's about fearmongering, broadbrushing, and emasculation.

The most damning fact that destroys your narrative about me is I am not about gender revenge. I don't want revenge, that's why I REJECTED MAGA and Donald Trump as fiercely as I reject feminism.

I voted for Hillary Clinton, I defended her right here on this forum. You cannot fear or hate women and then also want a Democrat WOMAN for fucking PRESIDENT. The two literally cannot coexist in the same universe.

Resolve that you pathetic male feminist dumbass. You can't. You are only here to grovel for pussy that you will never get.

https://i.imgur.com/zBWTVy0.jpg

 

[richard_daily]

Modern feminism is about revenge against men. It's about fearmongering, broadbrushing, and emasculation.


https://i.imgur.com/zBWTVy0.jpg

No, that's what YOU are about. Except it's about revenge against women for scorning you and ignoring you.

 

[richard_daily]

I voted for Hillary Clinton, I defended her right here on this forum. You cannot fear or hate women and then also want a Democrat WOMAN for fucking PRESIDENT. The two literally cannot coexist in the same universe.

Resolve that you pathetic male feminist dumbass. You can't. You are only here to grovel for pussy that you will never get.

Sure, no problem... I'll resolve that:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-them-supported-trump/?utm_term=.1b1e36f86b37

You can be a woman hater and still vote for a woman president, you are proof of that.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I have still never addressed the issue of women CHEERING domestic violence against an innocent man. I lie through my teeth about LT in order to avoid discussing the issue.

I have never once spoken any facts in this thread.

Still as true as ever!

And I hold ALL FEMINISTS responsible for the acts of their miscreants just like you hold ALL MEN responsible for rapists.

You don't want to hear "Not All Men", I don't want to hear "Not All Feminists".

I hate feminists and Conservatives for exactly the same reasons: your hate is all the same, only your targets differ.

And again, explain to the world how one can fear and hate women while arguing for and voting for Hillary Clinton for PRESIDENT.

Get this straight, little punk - you are no different than a Conservative, except who you hate.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20028878

Mothers in same-sex relationships face unique challenges when help seeking for intimate partner violence (IPV). Formal helping systems often invalidate their family relationships, leaving them vulnerable and distrustful when help seeking. To better understand their experiences, the authors interviewed 24 lesbian/bisexual mothers who were either in or had left abusive same-sex relationships. Increasing severity of violence, effects of violence on children and families, and "being tired" influenced their definitions of the situation. Decisions to seek formal help appeared to be influenced by their support from informal networks and perceived stigma related to the intersection of IPV and being lesbian or bisexual.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I have still never addressed the issue of women CHEERING domestic violence against an innocent man. I lie through my teeth about LT in order to avoid discussing the issue.

I have never once spoken any facts in this thread.

The truth is SO refreshing!

Sure, no problem... I'll resolve that:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-them-supported-trump/?utm_term=.1b1e36f86b37

You can be a woman hater and still vote for a woman president, you are proof of that.

"And some of them supported Trump"

I don't support Trump. And Obama is a man, he is not a woman. BARACK OBAMA is not the VERY GENDER YOU STUPIDLY ACCUSE ME OF FEARING.

Women haters do not vote for women to lead their country.

Nope, you are nothing but a coward, a groveling male feminist whose ideology is no different from Conservatism except who you hate.

Feminism and Conservatism are essentially the same hate movement.

And again, this is you:
https://i.imgur.com/zBWTVy0.jpg

 

[richard_daily]

No LT, I am NOT afraid of addressing domestic violence against women. None of what you say is true, and you cannot find any evidence that backs up your asinine claim.

However, you ARE afraid of women, and that is a FACT. There IS ample evidence to back up that FACT: namely, the countless threads you start complaining about women and how your life is unfair.

You are afraid to face the truth of who you are.

Why won't you start a poll, LT?

Afraid of the truth?


Are you claiming that you're still married?

Start a poll and see if anyone believes you.



Got any threats you want to throw at me? Go ahead, no one takes you seriously.

You keep running from these FACTS.

LT, I am not terrified of you. I laugh at you. I laugh at how sad and lonely and insignificant you are. All you can do is change my posts you quote, and you have never addressed what I say about you, with is the complete and total truth.

I don't address anything in your anti-woman posts, and here's why: because you take the acts of ONE person, and you dishonestly apply it with a broad brush to ALL feminists.

None of what you post is true, accurate, or a real depiction of real women who are involved in feminism.

You post out of fear of women. You're just like all of the lonely wingnuts on the board, the only difference is that you vote mostly for democrats, but inside, you're exactly the same as them. Lonely, scared, and desperate for attention.

That's another fact that you won't be able to address or listen to without covering your ears and going "nyaa nyaa nyaa, I'm not listening!"

FACT: LT is afraid of women.

FACT: Women want nothing to do with LT

FACT: LT is too scared to face these facts

LT, forever afraid of women. From now until his lonely ass dies.

 

[nowisthetime]

A big audience of women shamelessly and unquestioningly cheered the unprovoked castration of a man by his wife because he wanted to leave her. And there was no protest march against Sharon Osbourne for running this episode.

This is the real face of feminism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUna51rI_eQ

This is why feminism is a hate movement.

LJ, I know you like to argue against feminism, but what is the backstory of this husband?

Was he abusive to her?

Those women you are describing are not feminists or even womanists, but rather Feminazis. There are extremist in all movements.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I have still never addressed the issue of women CHEERING domestic violence against an innocent man. I lie through my teeth about LT in order to avoid discussing the issue.

I have never once spoken any facts in this thread.

Richard Daily, forever terrified of me. Forever desperate to genuflect to the hate movement that is feminism in hopes of getting laid.

He will die a virgin.
https://i.imgur.com/zBWTVy0.jpg

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/battered-erin-pizzey-yes-a-bit-1272122.html

Erin opened Chiswick Women's Aid, the first refuge of its kind, and one which spawned a worldwide movement, in 1971. For a time, she was a heroine. But things took a nasty turn when, in one of her books, Prone to Violence, she claimed that women in violent relationships may in fact seek out those relationships through a kind of addiction to violence.

The feminist sisterhood went bonkers. And after receiving death threats and being forced to have police protection, Erin fled the country with her new husband, Jeff Shapiro, an American psychology graduate 20 years her junior.

Feminism and Conservatism are BOTH hate movements.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

LJ, I know you like to argue against feminism, but what is the backstory of this husband?

Was he abusive to her?

Those women you are describing are not feminists or even womanists, but rather Feminazis. There are extremist in all movements.

No, he was not.

 

[richard_daily]

No LT, I am NOT afraid of addressing domestic violence against women. None of what you say is true, and you cannot find any evidence that backs up your asinine claim.

However, you ARE afraid of women, and that is a FACT. There IS ample evidence to back up that FACT: namely, the countless threads you start complaining about women and how your life is unfair.

You are afraid to face the truth of who you are.

Why won't you start a poll, LT?

Afraid of the truth?


Are you claiming that you're still married?

Start a poll and see if anyone believes you.



Got any threats you want to throw at me? Go ahead, no one takes you seriously.

You keep running from these FACTS.

LT, I am not terrified of you. I laugh at you. I laugh at how sad and lonely and insignificant you are. All you can do is change my posts you quote, and you have never addressed what I say about you, with is the complete and total truth.

I don't address anything in your anti-woman posts, and here's why: because you take the acts of ONE person, and you dishonestly apply it with a broad brush to ALL feminists.

None of what you post is true, accurate, or a real depiction of real women who are involved in feminism.

You post out of fear of women. You're just like all of the lonely wingnuts on the board, the only difference is that you vote mostly for democrats, but inside, you're exactly the same as them. Lonely, scared, and desperate for attention.

That's another fact that you won't be able to address or listen to without covering your ears and going "nyaa nyaa nyaa, I'm not listening!"

FACT: LT is afraid of women.

FACT: Women want nothing to do with LT

FACT: LT is too scared to face these facts

LT, forever afraid of women. From now until his lonely ass dies.

 

[BotanyBoy]

No, more equal is closer to equal.

Until it's not and it becomes about some animals being more equal than others just like modern feminism has.

You need to go read a book, the title is Animal Farm.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Farm

Do you hate women as much as these idiots do?

No, I hate everyone equally.

 

[KimGordon67]

You people are infamous for holding grudges over shit that happened decades ago. Feminists hold men as an entire gender responsible for shit that happened centuries ago.

Why is it okay for you and not for us?

'You people'? Who the fuck are 'you people'?

Christ, you are so fundamentally confused about pretty everything to do with this issue, and feminism in generally. It's bemusing as to how someone can misunderstand something this much.

 

[KimGordon67]

Entertaining thread I suppose. Sort of a one trick pony tho.

That's pretty much LJ in a nutshell. For now approximately 3092 threads.

Hilarious screen name.

 

[KimGordon67]

Until it's not and it becomes about some animals being more equal than others just like modern feminism has.

You need to go read a book, the title is Animal Farm.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Farm

The actual quote reads: “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.” 'more equal' only has the meaning you're attributing to it here if there's a point of comparison.

BL's sentence read: "Most people don't oppose that ideal, but so many women want to be more equal." That just means women want a greater amount of equality than they already have - not in comparison to someone else, they just want more than they have at present.

(Having said that, I'm not sure if you can grammatically ask for 'more equality' - I think equality is one of those absolutes - you either have it or you don't. There aren't technically 'degrees' of inequality, which is why the line from Orwell's pigs was so interesting.)

 

[ConfusedSheep]

Start a poll, asking if people think that you are a sad, angry man... let's see how it plays out and what "the truth" is.



You won't do it, because you KNOW the truth.

If you don't think you need therapy, you have a more serious problem than I realize. "Always getting the last word" doesn't mean that you're right. It means that you're a pig-headed idiot.

Thats a retarded idea, you'd only be polling a biased base of the community who have something personal with him. It's just as stupid if he was to put his ideology onto a poll and only ask MGTOW men if he's crazy for his mentality, you're only reinforcing a biased poll result from 2 different groups of individuals. Even if you were to poll his views globally, you wont get a 90-10/80-20 result in favor of your perception about him, you'd probably get a 60-40 in favor of HIS views because people are getting tired of the victim/feminist narrative in the media and on school facilities.

I dont understand LT's history on these forums, or why people have a bone to pick with him, but a lot of what he says is generally true about feminism and "male violence", there is empirical data that shows females make up a significant amount of domestic violence in relationships. Feminism will never be about altruism and this false idea of "equality" until females are penalized with equal prison sentencing for crimes, and start working as hard/as long as men do to eliminate the mythological "wage gap".

Cognitive dissonance seems seriously strong in a lot of people that respond to LT. He does come off as a touch hateful towards women, maybe his reasons are justified. I find it amusing how some take the "ohhh poor baby must have been hurt by a woman", why dont you try being taken to the cleaners and have your finances legally raped from you, I doubt you'd hold the feminist flag so high if you experienced 1/10 of what guys deal with in the legal realm with women, a couple of family members (uncles) had this happen to them. #notall #yourtimeisupfeminism #getagrip.

 

[KimGordon67]

Thats a retarded idea, you'd only be polling a biased base of the community who have something personal with him. It's just as stupid if he was to put his ideology onto a poll and only ask MGTOW men if he's crazy for his mentality, you're only reinforcing a biased poll result from 2 different groups of individuals. Even if you were to poll his views globally, you wont get a 90-10/80-20 result in favor of your perception about him, you'd probably get a 60-40 in favor of HIS views because people are getting tired of the victim/feminist narrative in the media and on school facilities.

I dont understand LT's history on these forums, or why people have a bone to pick with him, but a lot of what he says is generally true about feminism and "male violence", there is empirical data that shows females make up a significant amount of domestic violence in relationships. Feminism will never be about altruism and this false idea of "equality" until females are penalized with equal prison sentencing for crimes, and start working as hard/as long as men do to eliminate the mythological "wage gap".

Cognitive dissonance seems seriously strong in a lot of people that respond to LT. He does come off as a touch hateful towards women, maybe his reasons are justified. I find it amusing how some take the "ohhh poor baby must have been hurt by a woman", why dont you try being taken to the cleaners and have your finances legally raped from you, I doubt you'd hold the feminist flag so high if you experienced 1/10 of what guys deal with in the legal realm with women, a couple of family members (uncles) has this happen to them. #notall #yourtimeisupfeminism #getagrip.

(a) So much of this is wrong.
(b) I've tried explaining to LJ why his reliance on things like statistical prevalence comparisons in relation to gendered domestic violence is problematic, but he refuses to listen to any of the more nuanced perspectives. I personally have never said he's been hurt by a woman. I actually don't even think he really hates women per se, just feminists ... sometimes it overflows to capture 'all women' though.
(c) 'Women' are not the same as 'feminism'. Really, you're just the confirming 'guy gets screwed over by ex-wife and/or her lawyers, blames feminism' stereotype.
(d) Please don't use 'rape' in respect of your divorce settlement. They're really fundamentally different things. If you feel you were *robbed*, that's a different thing. But as far as I can gather, no one had non-consensual sex with you during your divorce.

 

[Boxlicker101]

The actual quote reads: “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.” 'more equal' only has the meaning you're attributing to it here if there's a point of comparison.

BL's sentence read: "Most people don't oppose that ideal, but so many women want to be more equal." That just means women want a greater amount of equality than they already have - not in comparison to someone else, they just want more than they have at present.

(Having said that, I'm not sure if you can grammatically ask for 'more equality' - I think equality is one of those absolutes - you either have it or you don't. There aren't technically 'degrees' of inequality, which is why the line from Orwell's pigs was so interesting.)

My sentence was a sarcastic reference to "Animal Farm" and it meant that women want to be equal in all things except those where they are favored, and they want this to continue. The areas where they are favored have been described often enough there is no need for me to repeat them here.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The actual quote reads: “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.” 'more equal' only has the meaning you're attributing to it here if there's a point of comparison.

Yea I know.

And the point of comparison is modern feminism....where female supremacy is regularly conflated with equality.

Point of comparison being the pigs ALSO regularly conflated supremacy with equality.

BL's sentence read: "Most people don't oppose that ideal, but so many women want to be more equal." That just means women want a greater amount of equality than they already have - not in comparison to someone else, they just want more than they have at present.

And what "more equal" do you think BL and most people have a problem with?

Actual equality or Orwellian type of demographically based supremacy justified and sold as being "more equal" by the economically far left and social justice crowd??

(Having said that, I'm not sure if you can grammatically ask for 'more equality' - I think equality is one of those absolutes - you either have it or you don't. There aren't technically 'degrees' of inequality, which is why the line from Orwell's pigs was so interesting.)

You can't, it's quite a clever jab at the hypocrisy of Soviet socialism.

Which funny enough, still holds true today when applied to various factions of modern leftist.....like a number of feminist....who are outraged and demanding to be "more equal" because for whatever reason actual equality isn't enough.

 

[KimGordon67]

Yea I know.

And the point of comparison is modern feminism....where female supremacy is regularly conflated with equality.

Point of comparison being the pigs ALSO regularly conflated supremacy with equality.



And what "more equal" do you think BL and most people have a problem with?

The literal kind or the Orwellian type?



You can't, it's quite a clever jab at the hypocrisy of Soviet socialism.

Which funny enough, still holds true today when applied to various factions of modern leftist.....like a number of feminist....who are outraged and demanding to be "more equal" because for whatever reason actual equality isn't enough.

So please demonstrate to me exactly which tenets of 'modern feminism' suggests that female supremacy is equated with equality. I'm fairly familiar with most of the contemporary instantiations of feminisms, and I haven't actually seen that one. ('Radical feminism' maybe worked long those lines, a little bit, but that's not really commonly adhered to these days - it was fairly 70s.)
References for works cited would be appreciated.

 

[KimGordon67]

My sentence was a sarcastic reference to "Animal Farm" and it meant that women want to be equal in all things except those where they are favored, and they want this to continue. The areas where they are favored have been described often enough there is no need for me to repeat them here.

So technically it should have read ""Most people don't oppose that ideal, but so many women want to be more equal than men."