Never forget what feminism is really about

[miniwritessmut]

Male feminists hate their own gender and will never hesitate to physically attack their own, be they protesters against radical feminism, actual male victims of female rapists, or battered men. You are the most dangerous and violent faction of feminists.

There are two groups that rational people never try to reason with: male feminists and Trump supporters.
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Um, I'm quite attached to my gender, I just don't feel the need to associate it with the kinds of violence that others do. And I'm a vocal advocate for male victims of domestic violence and have contributed financially to battered men's shelters. So, uh, good job on continuing being wrong about everything?

And here, I'll go one further: I condemn Sharon Osbourne and that crowd for cheering the mutilation of a man. Now, with that being said, which group is the strongest proponent of viewing the penis as the sum of a man's worth? Or his capacity to procreate? Which views "emasculation" as a fate worse than death? Here's a hint: it's not feminists. We're actually the ones trying to remove the negative stereotypes and harmful conditioning that accompany patriarchal values; we're the ones who are trying to decouple the idea that one's gender is inextricably linked to one's genitals.

Y'know, for a person aping the language of the rational you seem anything but.

 

[richard_daily]

You speak another lie, I will speak the truth, which you are too terrified to try to refute. You're scared of the facts, which is why you will not stay on topic. The topic is women cheering female domestic violence against men, not your incessant lies about me.

The articles you linked say NOTHING about feminists cheering domestic violence against men.

You post probably 5-6 articles of feminism and sex bots a week.

The reason why, is because you are a sad, angry little man, who can't get laid.

THAT is what I'm responding to, and what you have consistently failed to address over the years.

Instead, you fly off the handle, make phony threats, and engage in faulty argumentative strategies.

I'm not buying it, and neither are any women.

A word of advice: get some therapy.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Um, I'm quite attached to my gender, I just don't feel the need to associate it with the kinds of violence that others do. And I'm a vocal advocate for male victims of domestic violence and have contributed financially to battered men's shelters. So, uh, good job on continuing being wrong about everything?

LOL bullshit. The moment you see a men's shelter your first instinct is to grab a molotov cocktail. If you do anything else you're NOT a feminist in good standing.

And here, I'll go one further: I condemn Sharon Osbourne and that crowd for cheering the mutilation of a man. Now, with that being said, which group is the strongest proponent of viewing the penis as the sum of a man's worth? Or his capacity to procreate? Which views "emasculation" as a fate worse than death? Here's a hint: it's not feminists.

Um, go back and read your compadre Richard Daily's posts. All he ever talks about is emasculation. Feminists always use the "you can't get laid" argument to shout down their opposition. It's literally happening right here in this thread.

Feminists don't go after jocks who have 40 million women crawling over them. Nope, they go after the low hanging fruit - nerds, for instance. I routinely call out heightism on here just to prove that the feminists use height as an insult.

And boy do they love emasculation.
https://i.imgur.com/CVjjEZO.jpg

We're actually the ones trying to remove the negative stereotypes and harmful conditioning that accompany patriarchal values; we're the ones who are trying to decouple the idea that one's gender is inextricably linked to one's genitals.

You are the ones hawking this "hegemonic masculinity" bullshit while cackling "Kill All Men" on social media while trying to say that misandry isn't real. And then there are the TERFs.

Y'know, for a person aping the language of the rational you seem anything but.

I have facts and tons and tons of incidents of feminists doing the very things you say they're not. That is rational. Your thoroughly disproven claims are, on the other hand, not rational.

Now I'll give you the traditional conservatives. They're as big an enemy of men's rights as the feminists are. You're totally right about them, and with Trump and his supporters around, they're more of a threat than you are.

 

[richard_daily]

LT, you can't get laid.

It's because you're a sad, angry man.

I suggested therapy, but you're too scared to give a direct response.

You'll never change. You'll die alone.

It sucks to be you, clearly.

Enjoy the sex robots!

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

The articles you linked say NOTHING about feminists cheering domestic violence against men.
(Endless lies, deleted).

There you go, lying again.

Again, I will retaliate against you with facts.

FACTS: Feminists like to disrupt forums about battered men.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qodygTkTUYM

I told you I would force you to address women who cheer violence against men. I'm going to beat you into submission, or run you out of here with your tail between your legs.

One of the two is going to happen. There is no third outcome. You can keep making up lies about me but I will keep beating you down with factual citations that show feminists cheering and defending domestic violence against men.

You attack me because you're terrified of what I have to say. And I will keep saying it until you surrender. I've proven to you that I can do this for DECADES. And I will persist into perpetuity. Nothing but the hand of God will stop me.

 

[Adder4321]

Did you organise a protest march ... or are you just expecting feminists to do everything? I mean, seriously, if you're so fucking incensed maybe you should do something about, beyond whinging on an anonymous online forum. Did you even write a letter to the producers of the show or the network who aired it saying you thought it was inappropriate?

Also dude, this happened four years ago. It's interesting you need to look back that far to find something to be indignant about ... given the apparently daily outrages women are committing against men in the name of feminism, I'd have though you'd be able to come up with something more current.

It's not so much about when it happened, or what anyone did about it. Instead, its just a matter of discussing whether or not it people see it as a bad thing that a group of women on television laughed at the fact that a woman cut a man's penis off.

Besides, there isn't anything that could be accomplished by writing to the producers or anything like that. About all that would happen would be another episode where the women laugh at the men who complained about it.

 

[richard_daily]

There you go, lying again.

Again, I will retaliate against you with facts.

FACTS: Feminists like to disrupt forums about battered men.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qodygTkTUYM

I told you I would force you to address women who cheer violence against men. I'm going to beat you into submission, or run you out of here with your tail between your legs.

One of the two is going to happen. There is no third outcome. You can keep making up lies about me but I will keep beating you down with factual citations that show feminists cheering and defending domestic violence against men.

You attack me because you're terrified of what I have to say. And I will keep saying it until you surrender. I've proven to you that I can do this for DECADES. And I will persist into perpetuity. Nothing but the hand of God will stop me.

I'm not clicking any videos you've linked to. You've probably got more viruses on your computer than the CDC.

And YOU are the one who is going to get beat into submission. You vicious dog killer you!

You're a clown. Everyone knows that you're a clown. You're a clown with an anger problem, and a little man complex.

You can't get laid, and you blame women for that.

It's not women's fault that they don't want to fuck you. It's yours.

 

[miniwritessmut]

I suppose I could show you the credit card receipts, but it would take awhile to find them, assuming I didn't throw them out when I moved last year.. Or, y'know, you could take me at my word given I'm trying to have an honest exchange with you.

As for the rest, I do, generally speaking, try to keep gendered slurs and insults based on physical properties to a minimum so as to not be a hypocrite. And I really don't care for the assertion that men hate feminists because they can't get laid - misogyny is effectively the default in our society. It's not surprising that men see the loss of privilege as an infringement on their rights, or that cynical men and women would perpetuate false stereotypes to smear feminists. You see it the same tactics whenever a powerful group faces pushback.

All this being said, I don't get the impression you're yet willing to reexamine your biases, so you'll forgive me if I don't respond to you any more. It's just not worth the effort.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

LT, you can't get laid.

It's because you're a sad, angry man.

I suggested therapy, but you're too scared to give a direct response.

Direct response: You are a liar, and these are nothing but lies that you make up about me because you are terrified as fuck of the facts and documentation that I present. Lies. Lies. Lies. That is all you can respond to me with.

You lie about me because you are terrified of what I have to say about domestic violence.

I respond with facts. I do so relentlessly. You will either surrender and admit I'm right, or you will leave my thread. I always get the last word. It has been this way since 2003, 14 years running. I always run people like you out, because all you ever do is lie, and I speak FACTS.

Fact: no show would ever mock women victims of domestic violence but they routinely mock men who are victims

 

[richard_daily]

Direct response: You are a liar, and these are nothing but lies that you make up about me because you are terrified as fuck of the facts and documentation that I present. Lies. Lies. Lies. That is all you can respond to me with.

You lie about me because you are terrified of what I have to say about domestic violence.

I respond with facts. I do so relentlessly. You will either surrender and admit I'm right, or you will leave my thread. I always get the last word. It has been this way since 2003, 14 years running. I always run people like you out, because all you ever do is lie, and I speak FACTS.

Fact: no show would ever mock women victims of domestic violence but they routinely mock men who are victims

Start a poll, asking if people think that you are a sad, angry man... let's see how it plays out and what "the truth" is.



You won't do it, because you KNOW the truth.

If you don't think you need therapy, you have a more serious problem than I realize. "Always getting the last word" doesn't mean that you're right. It means that you're a pig-headed idiot.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I'm terrified of clicking edu/gov and feminist website links that disprove my narrative and I'd rather sit here and make up lies and attack the messenger because I fear the message

Fixed your post.

Now, for the facts.

https://mainweb-v.musc.edu/vawprevention/lesbianrx/factsheet.shtml

What is lesbian partner violence?
Partner violence in lesbian (and gay) relationships recently has been identified as an important social problem. Partner or domestic violence among lesbians has been defined as including physical, sexual and psychological abuse, although researchers have most often studied physical violence.

How common is lesbian partner violence?
About 17-45% of lesbians report having been the victim of a least one act of physical violence perpetrated by a lesbian partner (1,5,6,13). Types of physical abuse named by more than 10% of participants in one study included:
Disrupting other�s eating or sleeping habits
Pushing or shoving, driving recklessly to punish, and slapping, kicking, hitting, or biting (11).
Sexual abuse by a woman partner has been reported by up to 50% of lesbians (12).
Psychological abuse has been reported as occurring at least one time by 24% to 90% of lesbians (1,5,6,11,14).

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I suppose I could show you the credit card receipts, but it would take awhile to find them, assuming I didn't throw them out when I moved last year.. Or, y'know, you could take me at my word given I'm trying to have an honest exchange with you.

As for the rest, I do, generally speaking, try to keep gendered slurs and insults based on physical properties to a minimum so as to not be a hypocrite. And I really don't care for the assertion that men hate feminists because they can't get laid - misogyny is effectively the default in our society. It's not surprising that men see the loss of privilege as an infringement on their rights, or that cynical men and women would perpetuate false stereotypes to smear feminists. You see it the same tactics whenever a powerful group faces pushback.

Loss of privilege has nothing to do with the endless mockery of male victims of domestic violence.

And feminists do plenty enough to smear feminists.

See ya.

 

[richard_daily]

Fixed your post.

Now, for the facts.

https://mainweb-v.musc.edu/vawprevention/lesbianrx/factsheet.shtml

So is this about lesbians, feminists, or sex robots? You can't hold a coherent thought for more than 5 minutes, and I'M certainly not going to try to decipher your gibberish.

 

[KimGordon67]

Male feminists hate their own gender and will never hesitate to physically attack their own, be they protesters against radical feminism, actual male victims of female rapists, or battered men. You are the most dangerous and violent faction of feminists.

There are two groups that rational people never try to reason with: male feminists and Trump supporters.


You speak another lie, I will speak the truth, which you are too terrified to try to refute. You're scared of the facts, which is why you will not stay on topic. The topic is women cheering female domestic violence against men, not your incessant lies about me.

Fact:
Feminists are zero-sum morons who think that shelters for battered men take away resources from women.
https://www.xojane.com/issues/domestic-violence-shelters-for-men



As a matter of fact, I wrote several letters to them.

But the only reason you're writing this is to excuse the fact that you do absolutely nothing at all to protest women who CELEBRATE domestic violence. All you're doing here is trying to create a distraction.

We want you feminists to say something, do something about women CHEERING female abusers. You can't, you don't, you never will, because you don't care about domestic violence, you only care to use it for political points.

Your misandry and politicizing of domestic violence is why this happens:
https://everydayfeminism.com/2014/11/myths-ipv-lesbian-relationships/


Your feminism is hurting not only men, but also women, and you don't care, or you want to keep a lid on it, because you don't want people to realize WOMEN CAN BE ABUSERS, TOO, and domestic violence isn't about HEGEMONIC MASCULINITY but rather POWER DYNAMICS.

The subject of women as domestic abusers is lethal to the feminist domestic violence narrative



When it happened is irrelevant. It happened, and the perps got away with it and feminists like you gave them a free pass.

Feminists always give female domestic abusers a free pass. Whether it happened in 2013, 2010 or 2008, this is always true and always will be true.

https://jezebel.com/294383/have-you-ever-beat-up-a-boyfriend-cause-uh-we-have


And so far not one feminist in this thread has denounced Sharon Osbourne or that huge crowd of women audience cheering domestic violence against a man.

It happened four years ago, in another country. Me getting outraged now would seem like a bit of a waste of outrage. As I've said repeatedly in these stupid circular discussions, in the last two instances of DV and 'sexual abuse' in which I was immediately involved, I actually defended the men. Your constant over-generalising just weakens your arguments.

 

[KimGordon67]

None of this disproves the fact that rape is reported in 30 percent of lesbian relationships. You'd know that if you read your own sources, which obviously you can't until your tutor gets back from gender studies class.

I'm just going to be blunt - your "that cite was x years ago" is like white people saying "slavery happened 300 years ago so it's invalid."

No cited fact or statistic, no matter how old, is invalid until you find a newer cited fact or statistic that CONTRADICTS or provides DIFFERENT STATISTICS than the older one. Do I need to spell this out for you in crayon so you can understand?

And you still have not shown where feminists have condemned women CHEERING the domestic abuse and mutilation of a man without provocation.

I wasn't disputing the claim - it's probably true. I was simply responding to your assertion that "Feminism is so scared of admitting women can be violent that they won't even talk about lesbian partner violence" by providing evidence of the fact that a heap of researchers, many of whom are probably feminists (because it's the sort of area feminists would be mostly interested in) are conducting research on the very topic you say 'no feminist is talking about'.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

It happened four years ago, in another country. Me getting outraged now would seem like a bit of a waste of outrage. As I've said repeatedly in these stupid circular discussions, in the last two instances of DV and 'sexual abuse' in which I was immediately involved, I actually defended the men. Your constant over-generalising just weakens your arguments.

I'm not over-generalizing.

If it weren't for that orange assclown and his misogynist MAGA followers, your movement would have been discredited into the grave by now. In both England and America less than 1/5 of people even wanted to be associated with feminism before Trump came along. That's a fact. And it's not because of muh soggy knees, it's because your movement has become morally bankrupt.

And you know what? The Men's Rights Movement has proven to be no better. Two movements completely mired in "my gender, right or wrong" jingoism, neither one endowed with a whit of self-awareness.

 

[KimGordon67]

It's not so much about when it happened, or what anyone did about it. Instead, its just a matter of discussing whether or not it people see it as a bad thing that a group of women on television laughed at the fact that a woman cut a man's penis off.

Besides, there isn't anything that could be accomplished by writing to the producers or anything like that. About all that would happen would be another episode where the women laugh at the men who complained about it.

No, LJ's actual argument is 'this happened ... feminists didn't march in the streets'. So it's precisely about whether anyone did anything about - that's his whole bitch in this particular thread. He's not quite stupid enough to claim that Osborne and the other panel members are feminists (although he's pretty damn close), but rather his suggestion is that if feminists get up in arms about things like this happening to women, they should if things like this happen to men. Because apparently feminists are the only people who are meant to care about anything.

 

[KimGordon67]

I'm not over-generalizing.

If it weren't for that orange assclown and his misogynist MAGA followers, your movement would have been discredited into the grave by now. In both England and America less than 1/5 of people even wanted to be associated with feminism before Trump came along. That's a fact. And it's not because of muh soggy knees, it's because your movement has become morally bankrupt.

And you know what? The Men's Rights Movement has proven to be no better. Two movements completely mired in "my gender, right or wrong" jingoism, neither one endowed with a whit of self-awareness.

Are you actually just copying and pasting old posts here? I've responded to this ridiculous claim already.

Did you forget your meds todays, because seriously, you're much much less focused than usual. You've gone completely off-track from the original post in less than two pages - I think that's a new record, even for you.

 

[richard_daily]

No, LJ's actual argument is 'this happened ... feminists didn't march in the streets'. So it's precisely about whether anyone did anything about - that's his whole bitch in this particular thread. He's not quite stupid enough to claim that Osborne and the other panel members are feminists (although he's pretty damn close), but rather his suggestion is that if feminists get up in arms about things like this happening to women, they should if things like this happen to men. Because apparently feminists are the only people who are meant to care about anything.

Basically, LT's threads are all a combination of mansplaining, victimhood, and anti-woman rants.

This one isn't any different.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I wasn't disputing the claim - it's probably true. I was simply responding to your assertion that "Feminism is so scared of admitting women can be violent that they won't even talk about lesbian partner violence" by providing evidence of the fact that a heap of researchers, many of whom are probably feminists (because it's the sort of area feminists would be mostly interested in) are conducting research on the very topic you say 'no feminist is talking about'.

Good point. They are in fact, technically speaking, talking about it - amongst themselves.

But they're not going public with this stuff, and they sure as heck are not doing jack monkey squat to raise public awareness or urge women to stop abusing each other. There is no "teach her not to rape" much less "teach her not to batter" even though it happens in almost a third of lesbian relationships at a bare minimum. Nobody's out protesting the fact that lesbian abusers can follow their victims into shelters, or the rapes that happen in 30 percent of lesbian relationships.

To do so would be to interrupt, even outright contradict the "hegemonic masculinity" narrative.

And so feminist misandry and hegemonic masculinity propaganda continues to hurt the marginalized women who suffer at the hands of their own. And feminists with the media power and political influence could care fuck all as long as that issue stays buried and all the talk is about teh evil rapey violent men.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I'm too terrified to talk about women batterers and the women who cheer them on.

Fixed your post!

And, more facts: A feminist caught on video, cheering a woman she didn't even know, who was being violent with a guy.
http://78.media.tumblr.com/9d9115c2c9442dec273ebec11c15e4fe/tumblr_inline_ngm5jomwTl1ri344e.gif

Source, no doubt you're terrified to look and will make up a lie about ABC news being ridden with viruses: http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=2741047

 

[Adder4321]

No, LJ's actual argument is 'this happened ... feminists didn't march in the streets'. So it's precisely about whether anyone did anything about - that's his whole bitch in this particular thread. He's not quite stupid enough to claim that Osborne and the other panel members are feminists (although he's pretty damn close), but rather his suggestion is that if feminists get up in arms about things like this happening to women, they should if things like this happen to men. Because apparently feminists are the only people who are meant to care about anything.

Well we can both agree that LJ is a bit of a dick, then. In that case, if you agree that the women in the show were wrong, then I'll be off.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

No, LJ's actual argument is 'this happened ... feminists didn't march in the streets'. So it's precisely about whether anyone did anything about - that's his whole bitch in this particular thread. He's not quite stupid enough to claim that Osborne and the other panel members are feminists (although he's pretty damn close), but rather his suggestion is that if feminists get up in arms about things like this happening to women, they should if things like this happen to men. Because apparently feminists are the only people who are meant to care about anything.

Feminists demand that men stand up and say something when shit happens to women. You are living proof that when we ask feminists to stand up and say something when shit happens to men, your response falls just short of "fuck you that ain't our job."

You feminists always demand what you never give in return.

We men's rights activists scream all day about shit that happens to men and you feminists try to shame us into silence with crap like "b-b-b-bbut it happens to women more" and the infamous Duluth Model of Domestic Violence statement that violence against men is somehow "trivial".

And now, after feminists have stifled every major effort MRAs have done to raise public awareness about male victims, you have the nerve to say we RELY on you to do everything?

You really are fucking crazy and you think your intentional lies are going to fly... you're getting to be as bad as BizzyBody. You've just exposed your true, dishonest nature with that remark.

 

[KimGordon67]

Feminists demand that men stand up and say something when shit happens to women. You are living proof that when we ask feminists to stand up and say something when shit happens to men, your response falls just short of "fuck you that ain't our job."

You feminists always demand what you never give in return.

We men's rights activists scream all day about shit that happens to men and you feminists try to shame us into silence with crap like "b-b-b-bbut it happens to women more" and the infamous Duluth Model of Domestic Violence statement that violence against men is somehow "trivial".

And now, after feminists have stifled every major effort MRAs have done to raise public awareness about male victims, you have the nerve to say we RELY on you to do everything?

You really are fucking crazy and you think your intentional lies are going to fly... you're getting to be as bad as BizzyBody. You've just exposed your true, dishonest nature with that remark.

I thought I exposed my true dishonest nature in the last argument we had ... and the one before that ... and in fact, pretty much all of them.

Who, exactly, is this 'we' that is asking feminists to do anything? Because you are literally the only man I've ever heard making this request. Literally.

And, finally (and again), I am seriously not going to waste my time getting outraged about something that happened four years ago. What would be the point? As I've repeatedly explained to you, I take actual action when that will make an actual difference to the lives of people who are being unfairly victimised, whether they're men or women, even if that apparently goes against my 'feminist' beliefs.
There is quite seriously nothing I could say to explain how my position doesn't conform to your stereotype of 'feminists'. Every single example I could give would be dismissed in some way.

Fundamentally, you're a dick.

 

[Hypoxia]

LJ's theme song:

A QUICK WAY TO BE RID OF A WIFE -- (traditional)

I had a wife and got no good of her
Tell ye how I easy got rid of her
Took her out and chopped the head of her
Early in the morning
---
Seeing as how there was no evidence
For the sheriff or his reverence
They had to call it an act of providence
Early in the morning
---
So if you've a wife and get no good of her
Here is how to easy get rid of her
Take her out and chop the head of her
Early in the morning