murder site apartment juju

[evesdream]

Thread title is starting to grow on me tho.

Considering changing Literotica to Murder Site Apartment Juju.

Too long? Maybe MSAJ.

Yes vote for the new GB name. Maybe people would stop asking us where the incest stories are.

 

[evesdream]

I dated someone for awhile that moved into his apartment and later found out someone was murdered in the bedroom. Instead of just accepting that these things happen in the big city he moved his bed to the living room. I always thought it was such an overreaction but then again I spent my summers in a big house that many, many people had died in, from death during childbirth to a hanging in the front yard to old age to a passionate fight that lead to a woman poisoning her husband.

Maybe I just always assumed that was a part of life in this small world we live in but it never bothered me.

I didn't think I was superstitious in that way, but I would have to sweet grass the shit out of any room where there had been a murder before I could consider sleeping there.

I once lived in a basement apartment under a house where I shared the upstairs kitchen with the landlady and we had a pleasant relationship. One day after work I came home to police cars surrounding the place and they told me that she had killed herself in one of the upstairs bedrooms the previous night. That evening I told my family I was fine with staying in my apartment until the end of the week, but when darkness fell I had to flee to my mother's house. Couldn't stay there by myself.

 

[Wings]

I didn't think I was superstitious in that way, but I would have to sweet grass the shit out of any room where there had been a murder before I could consider sleeping there.

I once lived in a basement apartment under a house where I shared the upstairs kitchen with the landlady and we had a pleasant relationship. One day after work I came home to police cars surrounding the place and they told me that she had killed herself in one of the upstairs bedrooms the previous night. That evening I told my family I was fine with staying in my apartment until the end of the week, but when darkness fell I had to flee to my mother's house. Couldn't stay there by myself.

That is incredibly sad and I would probably have done the same thing. I agree with whoever mentioned suicide being harder to deal with than most other deaths. There's such a sadness that comes along with that.

 

[CandiCame]

I don't get why suicide is worse. There's not a random murderer running around after a suicide.

 

[Wings]

I don't get why suicide is worse. There's not a random murderer running around after a suicide.

Because the usual anger that's associated with a murder is understandable. Of course most don't act on it but the sadness, the state of mind that leads to taking your own life feels like a deeper injustice.

 

[CandiCame]

Because the usual anger that's associated with a murder is understandable. Of course most don't act on it but the sadness, the state of mind that leads to taking your own life feels like a deeper injustice.

Maybe it would seem sadder if I weren't suicidal, but suicide's not an act of sadness. It's an act of freedom, of control, of release, of euphoria. You kill yourself to escape sadness, to rise above it, not to give in to it. If you're sad you can't kill yourself because you don't think you deserve something that good. You don't deserve an escape.

Which is actually why when they put you on an antidepressant the label (and your therapist) warns you that if you start to get suicidal, stop taking it and rush into a psychiatrist. Because often the first thing a depressed person thinks when they start to feel a little better is, "I don't know, maybe I am worth it! Maybe I am strong enough to go through with it!"

 

[Wings]

Maybe sadness doesn't translate well then for you.

If you need to escape living then the living must be pretty bad. That's where the sadness comes in, for those left behind.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Try and stay away from hospitals and motels.


Our Ghosts are in our heads, and die with us. It helps to create some space tween us and the reminders.

 

[CandiCame]

Maybe sadness doesn't translate well then for you.

If you need to escape living then the living must be pretty bad. That's where the sadness comes in, for those left behind.

Oh, you mean for other people. Yeah, I was thinking about the person who was actually committing the suicide. But you mean the people who cared about them. Yeah, I bet they're pretty bummed.

What's that got to do with the apartment tho? They probably want to get rid of it. Their loved one died in there.

 

[Wings]

Oh, you mean for other people. Yeah, I was thinking about the person who was actually committing the suicide. But you mean the people who cared about them. Yeah, I bet they're pretty bummed.

What's that got to do with the apartment tho? They probably want to get rid of it. Their loved one died in there.

Your empathy button is a little skewed, isn't it?

 

[CandiCame]

Maybe sadness doesn't translate well then for you.

If you need to escape living then the living must be pretty bad. That's where the sadness comes in, for those left behind.

Not really, most people who commit suicide have depression. My life has improved a lot- but if I go off my meds I'll probably have another attempt. Because my brain chemistry is fucked up. I don't have the dopamine or acetocoline to give me a self preservation instinct. You combine that with any negative thought schemas at all and you get suicidal depression.

It's weird that people don't know this. I think there's still way too much of a stigma around mental illness so people don't think about it. They also don't seek treatment as much as they should. We'd have significantly smaller suicide rates if people with mental disorders were actually understood.

 

[CandiCame]

Your empathy button is a little skewed, isn't it?

Yeah. It's turned up really high- much higher than it should be. If I eat a cheeseburger from a factory farm I want to kill myself. Even with the meds. To the point that I have to talk myself out of it. If I buy, like, a T-shirt I like and it isn't fair trade I will literally sit and spin the barrel of my gun and think about what I've done. I used to do a lot of drugs so I didn't have to think about it.

 

[CandiCame]

It's a pain in the ass. I hold other people to those same standards so I used to get in fights a lot too. Because I would run my mouth. The meds help a whole, whole lot. And my species preservation instinct seems to work fine, so hopefully while I have a small child under my charge the depression's going to slack off a little, or at least the negative schemas will be easier to deal with. Because the locus of control goes external rather than internal.

 

[evesdream]

I don't know why it's not the same as finding out someone died of another disease, but suicide is associated with a more sustained suffering than murder is. A particularly profound suffering. Finding out someone was tortured to death in my apartment would be just as bad. And like Wings said, there's an element of injustice and unresolved anger to it that just seems to linger.

 

[CandiCame]

I don't know why it's not the same as finding out someone died of another disease, but suicide is associated with a more sustained suffering than murder is. A particularly profound suffering. Finding out someone was tortured to death in my apartment would be just as bad. And like Wings said, there's an element of injustice and unresolved anger to it that just seems to linger.

But it is dying of a disease. It's literally dying of a disease. That's what it is.

 

[evesdream]

But it is dying of a disease. It's literally dying of a disease. That's what it is.

We might grieve suicides more deeply, since it seems there should be or could have been a more ready "cure" than for other conditions.

 

[Fata Morgana]

What a fab thread.

It would really bother me and I would back out. I live in an old house where a few have died, that doesn't bother me. But if it were the scene of a murder or suicide/violent death then it most definitely would.

Also thinking about some famous murder cases over here, most of all the properties were demolished after and they were in the social housing stock if I recall rightly. Isn't that the norm in the USA too?

 

[evesdream]

What a fab thread.

It would really bother me and I would back out. I live in an old house where a few have died, that doesn't bother me. But if it were the scene of a murder or suicide/violent death then it most definitely would.

Also thinking about some famous murder cases over here, most of all the properties were demolished after and they were in the social housing stock if I recall rightly. Isn't that the norm in the USA too?

I heard that the notorious site of a recent 10-year kidnapping/torture in the States is slated for demolition. I think that was a specific court order though.

 

[CandiCame]

What a fab thread.

It would really bother me and I would back out. I live in an old house where a few have died, that doesn't bother me. But if it were the scene of a murder or suicide/violent death then it most definitely would.

Also thinking about some famous murder cases over here, most of all the properties were demolished after and they were in the social housing stock if I recall rightly. Isn't that the norm in the USA too?

I can't imagine it would be. We Americans fucking love shit like that. If we tore them down it wouldn't be because of the violent death, it'd be because we don't like to let things stand too long least they turn into history. No, we sell that shit and mock it up as a "haunted bed & breakfast" or someshit.

 

[Wings]

I believe most states have a law that banks can and usually do demolish a site that has been tainted by a heinous crime. I think that law is in effect for the recent case where Ariel Castro held those girls for so long in Cleveland. A part of his plea deal, I believe.

 

[Laurel]

I don't know why it's not the same as finding out someone died of another disease, but suicide is associated with a more sustained suffering than murder is. A particularly profound suffering. Finding out someone was tortured to death in my apartment would be just as bad. And like Wings said, there's an element of injustice and unresolved anger to it that just seems to linger.

That's the crux of all ghost tales, right? The manner of dying is what leaves a wandering soul earthbound? Usually some sort of violence or conflict. Murder or suicide are the scary deaths, the ones we all fear for ourselves. I think we all hope to die peacefully in our sleep at the age of 120 after hours of sex.

 

[CandiCame]

We might grieve suicides more deeply, since it seems there should be or could have been a more ready "cure" than for other conditions.

While simultaneously mocking people with mental sicknesses. (As a culture, not signalling you out). That type of 'deep grief' is incredibly insulting to suicidal people. They're not a martyr, they succumbed to a disease. And if you want fewer people to die of that disease, stop treating it like some magical fucking melancholia and start treating it as a disease. Same thing with addictive personality disorder. Stop treating addicts like criminals and start treating them like patients.

There's nothing romantic about suicide. I feel like people need to repeat this like a fucking mantra. It's just a sore spot. A personal sore spot. Not directing this at anyone in particular, but at everyone. Let's stop being such dicks to crazy people. It's hard enough being fucking crazy.

 

[Fata Morgana]

Yeah but not everyone who commits suicide has mental illness have they?

 

[SalviaDivinorum]

What a fab thread.

It would really bother me and I would back out. I live in an old house where a few have died, that doesn't bother me. But if it were the scene of a murder or suicide/violent death then it most definitely would.

Also thinking about some famous murder cases over here, most of all the properties were demolished after and they were in the social housing stock if I recall rightly. Isn't that the norm in the USA too?

Denis Nilsen's flat Muswell Hill is up for sale http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/would-you-live-in-a-house-of-horrors-muswell-hill-flat-where-serial-killing-necrophiliac-dennis-nilsen-butchered-victims-goes-up-for-sale-8763510.html



PS. Fata, you sound just like my cousin from Sutton Coldfield....
*whispers* M. is that you?

 

[Wings]

No offense meant Candi but you can't speak for all suicidal people. Just like when you meet a child with autism you've met one child with autism. If you meet one person suffering from depression you've met one person.