Mink

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[sexy-girl]

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when you wear a fur coat think about 55 of these little animals being raised in a cage this size so you can look good





(sorry i know thats preachy but you guys got me started so its your fault )

 

[lavender]

 

[Lancecastor]

Sg;

You were the one who raised a distinction in killing one species over another based on beauty, not me.

As for luxury vs necessity....try telling an Inuit person that fur coats aren't a necessity. As I said in my first post on the topic, there's nothing warmer (or sexier) than a fur coat.

Are you also suggesting there is a heirarchy of more "killable" animals based on level of domesticity and/or "free ranginess"?

A chicken's natural environment is a free range farm? (obviously you are unfamiliar with the Wild Chicken of Agnor)

Does that mean that people should not live in apartment buildings either?

Is the only good corn wild corn...or can I eat the stuff grown in rows and harvested by machines?

If 1 chicken =55 mink.....can I look after your finances?

Your argument holds no water SG...give it up.

I want you naked in a mink with stockings and heels...pronto!



Lance

is it really necessary that you try to insult me when you're debating with me ? ... i say "looking good" because a mink coat is a luxury item its not something needed to live




mink are wild animals their natural environment is in the wild

http://www.coyoteptmuseum.org/whats_new/wn_images/mink.jpg



that's what they are meant to look like ... i dont think they are exactly cute they are quite vicious creatures actually

55 mink is how many are used to make a single coat ... so you can't compared it as 1 mink 1 chicken

chickens are used for food and i only eat free range chickens they are also domesticated animals their natural environment is a free range farm

there are other ways to keep warm that work better then a mink coat ... and if you really need that fur look then get a fake fur coat in my opinion


nora ... i didn't start getting preachy until the pro fur people started ... i gave my opinion that i didn't like fur and then i was joking with cheyenne ... i only started quoting facts once people started having a go at me for being anti-fur

 

[Nora]

nora ... i didn't start getting preachy until the pro fur people started ... i gave my opinion that i didn't like fur and then i was joking with cheyenne ... i only started quoting facts once people started having a go at me for being anti-fur

preach-on, girl! It doesn't bother me at all! I actually fluctuate on the issue. Today I'm not anti-fur. My comment about only cute-critters being worth fighting for was not directed to you, and I apologize if it came across that way.

This, as in just about every debate, has multiple viewpoints and there's room for everyone. I guess my feelings on it can be summarized by saying that I feel that individuals make choices for themselves, but can't make choices for others. As long as there is a market for fur (or meat or eggs or makeup tested on animals, etc) then there will be the slaughter of animals for human consumption.

 

[Lancecastor]

(Lance, you can know through various environmental checks what products do things just for "show" and which companies actually comply with their labeling. Being an active, informed consumer is a good thing)

Okay....so tell me where you go to choke your chickens, er I mean check your chickens Authenticity of Free Ranginess...and why it matters.

Tell me more about the Happy Chickens....I'm hardly laughing at you at all now and really want to hear more about your dedication to frying and eating only Happy Chickens.

Are there Happy Mink? Would you wear one, er, 55 of them if you knew they'd had happy, productive mink careers and died of natural causes at Happy Acres Rest Home for Mink?

 

[Lancecastor]

By the way.......is this argument about the cages really motivated by the fact that the cages are too small for them to be able to Fuck Like Mink?

If so, I'm switching sides...I support the Right to Fuck.

THAT's something I can get behind.

Lance

PS: But I dont want to be a chicken fucker, Lav....no matter how Happy it makes you...or the chicken. ;-)

 

[sexy-girl]

Sg;

You were the one who raised a distinction in killing one species over another based on beauty, not me.

no i didn't ... i said that people wear fur coats to look good ... that has nothing to do with how the animal looks

As for luxury vs necessity....try telling an Inuit person that fur coats aren't a necessity. As I said in my first post on the topic, there's nothing warmer (or sexier) than a fur coat.

there are things warmer then a fur coat ... as for looking sexy that is my point ... looking sexy isn't a necessity its not worth killing animals over anyway

and the inuit use furs because they don't have access to an alternative ... someone who can afford to buy a mink coat does have access to alternatives

Are you also suggesting there is a heirarchy of more "killable" animals based on level of domesticity and/or "free ranginess"?

A chicken's natural environment is a free range farm? (obviously you are unfamiliar with the Wild Chicken of Agnor)

no im basing a hierarchy on if the animal is needed for food and therefore is required as a healthy diet compared to being killed for a luxury item

i merely brought up the fact of the level of domestication because clearly a wild animal such as a mink wouldn't be happy in a tiny cage when its normal environment is many square miles ... were a chicken would be quite happy on a free range farm

if you have to kill animals for food at least be humane and kind to the animal

as for a wild chicken that is a different species to a farm chicken of course


lance you are a very hard work to debate with ... you pick a few words i say and then twist them and then you ignore many of the facts i say because you can't argue with them



nora i do agree with you to a degree i don't think i'd want to go as far as to make a law against fur ... but a lot of people wear fur just because they aren't informed of all the facts of how cruel it is

 

[Sandia]

The morality of killing is based on consciousness, need, and suffering. Killing bugs, for example, is pretty easy, because they have no consciousness - they don't suffer. (I don't think...)

Killing dogs, whales, or monkeys is worse. They're capable of suffering; they have consciousness.

Other animals are in between - chickens, for example.

Animals that are capable of suffering ought to be treated humanely in captivity, and killed quickly and painlessly.

It's wrong to take pleasure in the suffering of animals, and it's wrong allow an animal to suffer needlessly.

 

[Lancecastor]

You really do want a mink, don't you?

no i didn't ... i said that people wear fur coats to look good ... that has nothing to do with how the animal looks

Lance: That's my point....so what if people kill animals to look good? A mink can become a fox's lunch or make you look hot....to the mink, well, he's still dead.

and the inuit use furs because they don't have access to an alternative ...

Lance: Bullshit. Inuit use fur because it is the warmest material and because it's part of their ecosystem-centric beliefs. As for your judgementalism about luxurity vs necessity, it's just that, judgemental. Remember, the mink dies anyway.


no im basing a hierarchy on if the animal is needed for food and therefore is required as a healthy diet compared to being killed for a luxury item

Lance: Who made you God? Mink production feeds lots of children with its profits. Lots of seal hunting families in Newfoundland & Labrador wound up in worse poverty than they'd been in before because of the wealthy Hollywood assholes that tried killing the seal industry.

i merely brought up the fact of the level of domestication because clearly a wild animal such as a mink wouldn't be happy in a tiny cage when its normal environment is many square miles ... were a chicken would be quite happy on a free range farm


Lance: Happy mink, yes, Happy chickens, I know. Should it be illegal for people to live in apartments, driven to big expensive cities by their enslavement to capitalism?

as for a wild chicken that is a different species to a farm chicken of course

Lance: Says who? And shouldn't then the great wild chiken be even more aceptable to kill because of all the space it gets?


lance you are a very hard work to debate with ... you pick a few words i say and then twist them and then you ignore many of the facts i say because you can't argue with them

Lance: Thank you. Some of what you say is of courtse, pure twaddle, so I don't comment on it. Why you've never even SEEN a herd of wild chickens, have you?

I still think you secretly want a mink.

 

[Lancecastor]

Other animals are in between - chickens, for example.

This accounts for why they make such great sammiches.

 

[april-wine]

I am not a fur lover, and if anyone could use it, us Canadians could lol....Something about fur just gives me the heebie jeebies....But really if you want it Chey go for it.....My grandma had a beautiful mink coat, and she loved it.....

 

[sexy-girl]

lance i choose to disagree with you ... i've said my part

 

[april-wine]

lance i choose to disagree with you ... i've said my part

Hey you can't do that........There has to be a long drawn out arguement.....Nasty words flying.....Lance thinking he has the upper hand.........Come onnnnnnnnn that's how the game is played around here........

 

[sexy-girl]

Hey you can't do that........There has to be a long drawn out arguement.....Nasty words flying.....Lance thinking he has the upper hand.........Come onnnnnnnnn that's how the game is played around here........

maybe if i didn't have a rotten cold i would

seriously though there is no hard feelings with lance ... i disagree with him but i disagree with lots of people so its fine

i know sometimes no matter what you say you're not going to change someones mind ... and that isn't always a bad thing its just life

 

[Lancecastor]

Mmmmmink.

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[april-wine]

maybe if i didn't have a rotten cold i would

seriously though there is no hard feelings with lance ... i disagree with him but i disagree with lots of people so its fine

i know sometimes no matter what you say you're not going to change someones mind ... and that isn't always a bad thing its just life

OK let's snuggle........

 

[Lancecastor]

SG;

I accept your withdrawal from the discussion.

Perhaps one day you'll see a flock of majestic wild chickens in flight and truly understand my feelings on this topic.

Maybe on that day I'll see you naked but for heels, stockings, red lipstick and diamonds in a sleek fur coat on my stoop.

Cheers;

Lance

lance i choose to disagree with you ... i've said my part

 

[modest mouse]

sexy-girl is the shit. We all know this.

I dont much care about the societal implications of mink, or the status, etc.

Its the simple fact that mink are raised, electrocuted on their genitals, skinned, and sewn into a coat that could have easily been made of the numerous modern fibers that compose amasing winter jackets.

Its frivolous to kill in this way. Its a waste. I couldnt respect someone that would purchase a mink coat. It shows too much ignorance to be easily overcome.

And, Ruby, I'm sorry but wearing mink is rebellion? That doesnt fly.

 

[sexy-girl]

OK let's snuggle........

nah thats how i got it from lisa and i don't want to give it to you

snuggle when im better


lance i might see some flying pigs also




edited to say thank you modest mouse

 

[Lancecastor]

Fur...Wasted On Animals!

http://www.roughmagic.net/carny/images/fur.jpg

 

[lavender]

 

[sexy-girl]

seeing a woman wear real fur is about as sexy as seeing someone stamp a cat to death to me

but thats just me


i'll shut up now i promise

 

[seXieleXie]

The morality of killing is based on consciousness, need, and suffering. Killing bugs, for example, is pretty easy, because they have no consciousness - they don't suffer. (I don't think...)

while bugs have a much less complex nervous systems than mammals they show every sign of reacting to pain stimuli.