Literotica's double standards

[Cagivagurl]

I recently posted a story which included the name of a commenter, who is a serial pest. It was a tongue in cheek story. OK, it wasn't a pleasant love story, but no worse than many others.
The story was removed by Lit, supposedly because somebody was offended by it. Go figure...
Commenters regilarly post disgusting vile hate filled shit in the comments section of stories... They border on hate speach, and yet there is no moderation. I don't delete comments

 

[greenday0418]

How many new writers have quit after one story in loving wives who were brutalized by a sad little man in my state of Va? And my biggest beef is this man has never written a story since he joined in 2006.

 

[Auden James]

Well, that's the risk you run with using "real" persons as characters in your stories, I guess!?

 

[Cagivagurl]

Well, that's the risk you run with using "real" persons as characters in your stories, I guess!?

I don't see it as being any worse than calling a writer nasty names.

 

[Auden James]

I didn't say it was.

 

[lovecraft68]

Well, that's the risk you run with using "real" persons as characters in your stories, I guess!?

If it were a real person I'd agree, but these are user names.
Lit, and Laurel when she posted in the General Board back in the day is famous for defending trolls, nothing has changed. Class act all the way

 

[Auden James]

Well, even it's only a user name it's "real" enough on LIT, presumably!?

Or do you consider these nasty commenters to be bots merely?

 

[ElectricBlue]

They border on hate speach, and yet there is no moderation. I don't delete comments

The site does remove hate speech commentary.

It's up to you to manage the borderline stuff. Delete or keep, that's your call.

There's no double standard - the site gives you the necessary tools to manage fucktard commentary. Use those tools, but don't complain when you don't.

 

[greenday0418]

I don't see it as being any worse than calling a writer nasty names.

Or telling an author his story is so bad, he should consider

The site does remove hate speech commentary.

It's up to you to manage the borderline stuff. Delete or keep, that's your call.

There's no double standard - the site gives you the necessary tools to manage fucktard commentary. Use those tools, but don't complain when you don't.

Really? Here's an old comment I found. I xxxxx out the user names he had in it.

"Harryin VA almost 10 years ago

xxxxxxx FUCK YOU and your crack whore Mommy

You may not like xxxxxxx's review but its rational and he is not posting Anonymously

so shut the hell up and sit the fuck down before I get nasty and rip you a new asshole turd face."

The author of the story this comment was on left Literotica in 2015 and has published on SOL. This comment was not directed at the author, it was directed at a user who dared to contradict one of H's buddy's scathing review of the story.

Looks hateful to me.

 

[butters]

Or telling an author his story is so bad, he should consider

Really? Here's an old comment I found. I xxxxx out the user names he had in it.

"Harryin VA almost 10 years ago

xxxxxxx FUCK YOU and your crack whore Mommy

You may not like xxxxxxx's review but its rational and he is not posting Anonymously

so shut the hell up and sit the fuck down before I get nasty and rip you a new asshole turd face."

The author of the story this comment was on left Literotica in 2015 and has published on SOL. This comment was not directed at the author, it was directed at a user who dared to contradict one of H's buddy's scathing review of the story.

Looks hateful to me.

so delete it

 

[Auden James]

Have people become so childish that the have a meltdown because of some name calling or negative reviews?

Well, it looks like it, doesn't it?

Blocking people from expressing their view is a step toward totalitarianism.

Yes, indeed, that seems to be a necessity for establishing any kind of totalitarian regime. For a possible—if not probable—end result see Orwell's 1984.

 

[greenday0418]

I don't see it as being any worse than calling a writer nasty names.

It's amazing all of the Harry supporters have never written a loving wife story or have never written anything.

 

[PenLightStories]

I do kind of feel like writing a story using someone else's identity is a slippery slope if they disapprove of the material. It's about consent.

You might find someone who can handle the humor in give-and-take but I think you just swung and missed.

Also, in our age of the internet, peoples' identities can sometimes follow them between sites and you don't know what the reaction could be if someone not only got doxxed somewhere else, but if the trail then led to a Lit story written without their consent.

There are probably dozens more anecdotal reasons why I wouldn't want someone to use even my anonymous handle to write me into a story without my consent.

Also, I delete toxic comments because it's my story and I don't want people bringing their sad life into it... call me a hypocrite but I feel like that's my choice. This is a free resource. It's not like I'm a journalist.

 

[gunhilltrain]

I think if she had used a fictitious user name, and maybe changed a few details about what he said (was it a male?) she would have gotten away with it. (Now I'm assuming that Cavigagurl is female, which may or may not be true.) In any case, if the story was titled "Harry in Va.," well, that's not going to fly here. And now she'll have trouble resubmitting it, although maybe a note to the moderator will patch things up.

P.S.: Harry in Va. is probably male.

 

[gunhilltrain]

How many new writers have quit after one story in loving wives who were brutalized by a sad little man in my state of Va? And my biggest beef is this man has never written a story since he joined in 2006.

A surprising number of new writers post in Loving Wives, and they usually don't know what they are getting into.

 

[butters]

It's amazing all of the Harry supporters have never written a loving wife story or have never written anything.

i don't see any Harry supporters in this thread, just posts offering common sense: the tools are there to remove comments an author might find offensive. This is a free-to-join and publish your writing on, and yet people yell the place down that everything they demand is not catered to by admin. It's simple. Don't like a troll's comments? Delete them. How more simple can that get?

If a comment is offering threats of physical violence, contact admin and report it.

p.s if you were alluding to me as a 'Harry supporter' who has no writing published: i had an extensive body of poetry published here but removed it when undergoing editorial amendments and gathering collections together for 2 books.

 

[greenday0418]

I recently posted a story which included the name of a commenter, who is a serial pest. It was a tongue in cheek story. OK, it wasn't a pleasant love story, but no worse than many others.
The story was removed by Lit, supposedly because somebody was offended by it. Go figure...
Commenters regilarly post disgusting vile hate filled shit in the comments section of stories... They border on hate speach, and yet there is no moderation. I don't delete comments

check out this thread in authors hangout. Is It Possible for a Reader to Delete Their Comment? Talk about some hypocrisy.

 

[Cagivagurl]

People have missed the point I was trying to make.
I don't delete comments on stories. I accept if that's how they feel, then they are free to post them.
What annoys me, is that lit takes no responsibility for comments made, but feels it's OK to remove a story because it mentions a reders ID. Hot there real identity, just using their ID. No harm, no foul...
That is a double standard... Commenters are free to post whatever they want.
Writers are treated differently...

 

[KeithD]

People have missed the point I was trying to make.
I don't delete comments on stories. I accept if that's how they feel, then they are free to post them.
What annoys me, is that lit takes no responsibility for comments made, but feels it's OK to remove a story because it mentions a reders ID. Hot there real identity, just using their ID. No harm, no foul...
That is a double standard... Commenters are free to post whatever they want.
Writers are treated differently...

It's not true that Literotica takes no responsibility for comments made. It has always deleted some comments itself and more recently it screens all comments. There is no reason to think it's doing so and not deleting some comments it deems inappropriate.

Beyond that it gives authors total control over deleting comments themselves for any reason they wish. Identify any other story site that gives the author that privilege.

You are supposed to be an adult to use Literotica. That comes with responsibility to take care of yourself as an adult here.

 

[Cagivagurl]

It's not true that Literotica takes no responsibility for comments made. It has always deleted some comments itself and more recently it screens all comments. There is no reason to think it's doing so and not deleting some comments it deems inappropriate.

Beyond that it gives authors total control over deleting comments themselves for any reason they wish. Identify any other story site that gives the author that privilege.

You are supposed to be an adult to use Literotica. That comes with responsibility to take care of yourself as an adult here.

Sorry Keith D, I call bullshit on that....
I have seen and reported comments on other peoples stories, that have not been removed... And I they were digusting vile shit that should never been there to start with if there was any sort of moderation....
If Lit wants to moderate comments, then it should do so...
At the moment, I feel that there is no moderation... That's fine, if that's the case, then I will happily live with that...
However, if there is to be no moderation, then you cannot remove a story unless it it breaking legal requirements... Simple really... If I the author am responsible for my comments, then I am also responsible for my story...
If it gets past the original moderation, and is posted, then it is up to me to delete, or commenters can address their comments at me, and ask me to delete...
Sounds simple to me...

 

[Cagivagurl]

I also tried to contact Literotica management directly, they have chosen not to respond...
Which is why I am asking for opinions from other writers, and readers...

 

[KeithD]

Sorry Keith D, I call bullshit on that....
I have seen and reported comments on other peoples stories, that have not been removed... And I they were digusting vile shit that should never been there to start with if there was any sort of moderation....
If Lit wants to moderate comments, then it should do so...
At the moment, I feel that there is no moderation... That's fine, if that's the case, then I will happily live with that...
However, if there is to be no moderation, then you cannot remove a story unless it it breaking legal requirements... Simple really... If I the author am responsible for my comments, then I am also responsible for my story...
If it gets past the original moderation, and is posted, then it is up to me to delete, or commenters can address their comments at me, and ask me to delete...
Sounds simple to me...

I suggest you are not objective about this and I'm perfectly happy for you to stew in your own juice about it. You seem to think you have entitlements here that I don't think you have. You chose to deal with a commenter you were irritated with by sinking to their level. If Laurel doesn't want to cater to in-house mudslinging in the story file, that's her privilege as far as I'm concerned.

 

[oggbashan]

People can and do use the report function for posts and stories inappropriately. If several reports (even if from alts of the same person) are received, that post or story is likely to be removed.

 

[AngelRider]

You write stories about cheating wives and their husbands who always take them back. Yes, you have written other stories but by and large, that is what you submit to loving wives. That type of story is rarely well received. You have to know this. The best you will ever hope for is maybe a 4.5 after days of voting with the adjustments by admin. Stangstar managed it a couple times, as did Qhml1 but it's not common. Your stories do not have what those did, a sympathetic betrayed spouse and a reason why the reader can get behind the reconciliation. Look at "All In The Family" by SS06. The husband caught his wife banging her brother, father and uncle. Who wouldn't be pissed? Ultimately it was discovered that her family manipulated her. Her love map was fucked up and her brother used that. She DID love her husband and ultimately took a bullet for him. SS06 didn't make the story about how cheating was both their fault. Another was a story about a wife who had a biochemical imbalance during pregnancy which made her behave counter to her normal personality. She left her husband for another man. The husband took her back discovering she was pregnant and homeless. Again, he wasn't painted as the bad guy. People were able to get behind the husbands and SS06 gave reasons for compassion and forgiveness.

Look, It seems your goal sometimes is to present stories where the issue of infidelity is not one sided or forgivess should be offered even in cases where the husband is truly betrayed. People do not generally view infidelity this wag. The more you present stories with these themes the more readers will believe that you feel all cheating is justifiable whether that is true or not.

If you are going to own and/or champion reconciliation stories, you will need to expect negative feedback. Your friends will 5 star and celebrate but general readers are not going to be generous. That's the way it is. Turn off comments and voting for stories that examine themes which will be contentious. You have to know what those will be by now.

 

[mordbrand]

It's simple. If you used someone's username IN the body of your story and they didn't like it, you can't complain if they reported you. Unlike comments, which are optional and can be moderated, you didn't give this person the option to be part of your work. You added them as a jab and now you are butt hurt that they reported you over it, so you came here either to kvetch about it or try to get the ruling overturned.

My advice is that if they were such a pivotal part that the storyline can't stand without them (which isn't likely), ask them first for permission. Just like if you wanted to write a sequel to another user's work. If they refuse, you have no ground to stand on.