Let's make a new tag for actual Loving Wives' readers.

[amenarimix]

Clearly, we can't publish loving wives' stories in Loving Wives, so why not make a tag, especially for Loving Wives stories? Then the readers don't have to choose any category for their desired story. In that case, also author doesn't have to worry about the audience or the hate comments. It is just an idea. We can do better if we figure out something general. One tag for everyone.

 

[MillieDynamite]

Already tags for it, voyeur, cuckolding, and probably others than clue you in.

 

[lovecraft68]

Tags only work for legit readers, the trolls don't see tags as warnings they seem the way a bull sees a red flag. Nothing is going to change there unless the incels all give themselves aneurisms and die off.

 

[Lifestyle66]

Tags like "swingers" and "hot wife" also attract the trolls, even when the story is posted to Erotic Couplings or Group Sex.

I posted a 750-word story in Romance, and even without those tags, one Anonymous comment said: "Cheating is coming and she will hopefully not use too big a dildo while routinely sticking it up your ass."

My chapter on "Threesomes" was posted to Erotic Couplings with tags, and Anonymous said: "What sort of self-hating asshole wants this sort of disrespect and a whore for a wife?"

So, there are haters everywhere. Don't let it get to you.

 

[Voboy]

Has anyone tried using "loving wives" as a tag for a submission placed in another category? I'm curious. I never have, even though most of my stories involve infidelity.

I think finding a LW workaround is unnecessary. It's already built into Lit. I've usually just written "properly" LW-ish stories and posted them in some other category, and they've always done fine.

 

[Duleigh]

Clearly, we can't publish loving wives' stories in Loving Wives, so why not make a tag, especially for Loving Wives stories? Then the readers don't have to choose any category for their desired story. In that case, also author doesn't have to worry about the audience or the hate comments. It is just an idea. We can do better if we figure out something general. One tag for everyone.

You can shut off voting and comments. I personally would like to be able to shut off anonymous voting and comments but that's not possible.

It doesn't really matter where you hide the stories, they will find them, and dig them up and hit them with one bombs, and if that's not enough, they'll make up something to satisfy their own petty desires. I had a story with an FFM where the guy was tied up and some "Uno-bomber" hit it and called it cuckoldry. I think his vote was cleaned up in a sweep not long after.

 

[MillieDynamite]

All the lovely trolls, lined up in a row, oh, for a machine gun with which to mow!

 

[amenarimix]

You can shut off voting and comments. I would like to be able to shut off anonymous voting and comments but that's not possible.

It doesn't matter where you hide the stories, they will find them, and dig them up and hit them with one bomb, and if that's not enough, they'll make up something to satisfy their petty desires. I had a story with an FFM where the guy was tied up and some "Uno-bomber" hit it and called it cuckoldry. I think his vote was cleaned up in a sweep not long after.

You are right.

However, you can stop Anonymous comments. Go to the option then the second column where you can change your password. You'll see there is an option to stop anonymous comments.

 

[DarkRaven13]

All the lovely trolls, lined up in a row, oh, for a machine gun with which to mow!

OMG ... but that made me laugh

 

[DarkRaven13]

You are right.

However, you can stop Anonymous comments. Go to the option then the second column where you can change your password. You'll see there is an option to stop anonymous comments.

Thanks for the posts about the LW category. I am newer and was going to use it for my next set of stories...but am now debating that.

 

[Voboy]

Thanks for the posts about the LW category. I am newer and was going to use it for my next set of stories...but am now debating that.

It's not a category to avoid utterly. It's just that it's evolved into a place where your story is unlikely to get the reception it deserves unless it conforms to a certain template, in which a woman cheats and then suffers consequences.

If that's not the story you want to write, almost any other category is a better choice, especially for a newish writer. I've found other categories to be extremely tolerant of infidelity stories, especially if they're on the longer side. The roving trolls some posters mention above, I suspect, balk at long stories.

 

[DarkRaven13]

It's not a category to avoid utterly. It's just that it's evolved into a place where your story is unlikely to get the reception it deserves unless it conforms to a certain template, in which a woman cheats and then suffers consequences.

If that's not the story you want to write, almost any other category is a better choice, especially for a newish writer. I've found other categories to be extremely tolerant of infidelity stories, especially if they're on the longer side. The roving trolls some posters mention above, I suspect, balk at long stories.

Thank you. I think I will likely stay away from LW until I get a better feel for that area.

 

[lovecraft68]

It's not a category to avoid utterly. It's just that it's evolved into a place where your story is unlikely to get the reception it deserves unless it conforms to a certain template, in which a woman cheats and then suffers consequences.

If that's not the story you want to write, almost any other category is a better choice, especially for a newish writer. I've found other categories to be extremely tolerant of infidelity stories, especially if they're on the longer side. The roving trolls some posters mention above, I suspect, balk at long stories.

I'm going to drop something there as a farewell to the category as I did for Group and Mature last year. Its a hotwife story, husband is humiliated so cannon fodder. But...the husband did something really shitty to someone in his past who now holds all the cards in the present, so of course the wife talks him into fucking her for revenge instead of costing them their business, so the husband kind of deserves it and it will be interesting to see if it takes some of the sting off it.

On the other hand, few can humiliate a man in a story like I can.

My other 'see ya' category drop will be NC/R and I'll get a kinder response there...which is scary

 

[Duleigh]

You are right.

However, you can stop Anonymous comments. Go to the option then the second column where you can change your password. You'll see there is an option to stop anonymous comments.

Yes, but that's for ALL stories, I'd like to do it for particular story. The only other option I could think of would be to create a second user like amenarimix-LW or TrollFighterDuleigh just for stories to draw out the trolls

 

[gunhilltrain]

Clearly, we can't publish loving wives' stories in Loving Wives, so why not make a tag, especially for Loving Wives stories? Then the readers don't have to choose any category for their desired story. In that case, also author doesn't have to worry about the audience or the hate comments. It is just an idea. We can do better if we figure out something general. One tag for everyone.

I think you mean "category," not tag? The problem is that there are relatively few categories here - or at least I think there are not enough - but there haven't been any changes or additions in at least a decade or so.

 

[SimonDoom]

I'm facing the same confusion gunhilltrain is. I don't know what is meant by a new "tag." You already can use whatever tag you want to.

When thinking about whether it makes sense to create a new category, we always have to consider this: readers matter more than authors. The purpose of categorization (or tags, for that matter) is not to help us as authors; it's to help readers find stories they like. For 20+ years Literotica readers have been going to the Loving Wives category to find stories about cuckolds and hot wives. They don't care that you get bad comments or that your stories get bad scores. They just want to find the stories they like, and that's where they expect to find them. So from the site's point of view, there's little incentive to change this.

 

[amenarimix]

I think you mean "category," not tag? The problem is that there are relatively few categories here - or at least I think there are not enough - but there haven't been any changes or additions in at least a decade or so.

It's not the category. Only Literotica can make a new category.

 

[amenarimix]

I'm facing the same confusion gunhilltrain is. I don't know what is meant by a new "tag." You already can use whatever tag you want to.

When thinking about whether it makes sense to create a new category, we always have to consider this: readers matter more than authors. The purpose of categorization (or tags, for that matter) is not to help us as authors; it's to help readers find stories they like. For 20+ years Literotica readers have been going to the Loving Wives category to find stories about cuckolds and hot wives. They don't care that you get bad comments or that your stories get bad scores. They just want to find the stories they like, and that's where they expect to find them. So from the site's point of view, there's little incentive to change this.

The main thing already mentioned by Duleigh which I intended. We cannot run from them or hide from them. I just thought maybe we can do something new. Does Literotica listen to authors?

 

[Duleigh]

The main thing already mentioned by Duleigh which I intended. We cannot run from them or hide from them. I just thought maybe we can do something new. Does Literotica listen to authors?

I think I understand what you're trying to do, you want to see a legitimate score on all of your stories so you can gauge how your writing is improving/worsens without scores based on personal trauma or the like. I wrote a story with a sad part and got a low score from a regular reader who was honest and PMd me and said "I gave you a low score because that happened to me once and I didn't like when it happened" That's a shame, I personally believe he should have gave me a higher score because my writing was able to evoke that kind of personal response, but you take what you can get.

What happens next year when a bunch of people decide that 'happily ever after' is unrealistic and romance stories start getting one-bombed, or start nuking stories because they lost their girlfriends/wives to masseuses, so they decide massage stories are evil?

In the end, all we can hope for is the Lord of the Sweeps to clear the damage done by the uno-bombers, if that doesn't work, maybe a secondary nom-de-plum. It worked for Kurt Vonnegut (Kilgore Trout) and Steven King (Richard Bachman)

 

[Bubo_bubo]

Yes, but that's for ALL stories, I'd like to do it for particular story. The only other option I could think of would be to create a second user like amenarimix-LW or TrollFighterDuleigh just for stories to draw out the trolls

If ever TrollFighterDuleigh becomes a reality, might I suggest an avatar?

 

[gunhilltrain]

I think I understand what you're trying to do, you want to see a legitimate score on all of your stories so you can gauge how your writing is improving/worsens without scores based on personal trauma or the like. I wrote a story with a sad part and got a low score from a regular reader who was honest and PMd me and said "I gave you a low score because that happened to me once and I didn't like when it happened" That's a shame, I personally believe he should have gave me a higher score because my writing was able to evoke that kind of personal response, but you take what you can get.

What happens next year when a bunch of people decide that 'happily ever after' is unrealistic and romance stories start getting one-bombed, or start nuking stories because they lost their girlfriends/wives to masseuses, so they decide massage stories are evil?

In the end, all we can hope for is the Lord of the Sweeps to clear the damage done by the uno-bombers, if that doesn't work, maybe a secondary nom-de-plum. It worked for Kurt Vonnegut (Kilgore Trout) and Steven King (Richard Bachman)

One thing we have to keep in mind with with any "creative endeavour" (I guess that's what we're doing here) is that, if we present it to an audience (which is the point of being on a site like this), then they don't owe us anything and they have little interest in what we put into it. They will decide based on their own criteria, which can be completely unpredictable. It happens to the "pros" too, and sometimes on a really big scale..

It's worth watching this documentary about Michael Ciminio's travails in his making of Heaven's Gate forty years ago. At least we don't have $44 miilion on the line and we can't destroy an entire studio if we fail.

Final Cut

Yeah, he had to deal with a layer professional critics that helped bring him down, and we don't have those. But ultimately, on a macro scale, it was the same dynamic as on Lit. No matter how much effort he put into it, he never got the audience he hoped to reach.

P.S. It' worth the hour of so it takes to watch it because how movies are made can be as interesting as the movie itself.

 

[Voboy]

I think I understand what you're trying to do...

She wants the LW category to actually be what it says it is. I don't blame her; I'd like that too. But it's not.

OP? No. On this topic, it's been shown many, many times that the site doesn't listen to writers. But to be fair, I'm not sure there is much Laurel and Manu can do. That category developed its own culture, organically, and adding a new one (call it "REAL Loving Wives") would develop its own culture, which might not be to your liking either.

 

[gunhilltrain]

I think I understand what you're trying to do, you want to see a legitimate score on all of your stories so you can gauge how your writing is improving/worsens without scores based on personal trauma or the like. I wrote a story with a sad part and got a low score from a regular reader who was honest and PMd me and said "I gave you a low score because that happened to me once and I didn't like when it happened" That's a shame, I personally believe he should have gave me a higher score because my writing was able to evoke that kind of personal response, but you take what you can get.

What happens next year when a bunch of people decide that 'happily ever after' is unrealistic and romance stories start getting one-bombed, or start nuking stories because they lost their girlfriends/wives to masseuses, so they decide massage stories are evil?

In the end, all we can hope for is the Lord of the Sweeps to clear the damage done by the uno-bombers, if that doesn't work, maybe a secondary nom-de-plum. It worked for Kurt Vonnegut (Kilgore Trout) and Steven King (Richard Bachman)

Hey Duleigh, I'm answering you twice! I've noticed that many Romance readers have their own expectations of what they like and yeah, they often don't like downbeat endings. Sometimes I put break-up stories in Non-erotic just to avoid such backlash.

 

[lovecraft68]

The main thing already mentioned by Duleigh which I intended. We cannot run from them or hide from them. I just thought maybe we can do something new. Does Literotica listen to authors?

No.
They ignore long running problems that have been discussed for years, pay no attention to changes suggested and when they make big changes its nothing anyone has ever asked for, nothing that addresses existing issues, usually causes more issues in another part of the site and they do this and go "Ta-da!" like its what anyone wanted.

 

[gunhilltrain]

The main thing already mentioned by Duleigh which I intended. We cannot run from them or hide from them. I just thought maybe we can do something new. Does Literotica listen to authors?

Since you asked, Literotica doesn't listen to authors much that I can see. There are too many of us and only maybe only two of them. We're on our own which, maybe, is not such a bad thing after all.