Less vampires please...

[GinaTina]

I read Twilight before the series got launched into rancid popularity by the movies, and I think that people diss it way too much. I'm probably going to get a lot of hate-posts for this, but I LIKED twilight. I know that it wasn't good, and that Bella is a conniving little bitch that should be a twisted villain in a shakespeare play, and not the 'average teenage girl'.

The books were a nice read when bored and the urge to read cutesy romantic novels struck, and the movies were also good to watch when I felt the urge to watch tween porn. I never mistook them for good movies, they were simple eye-candy.

If you have seen or read twilight, you can call it the worst piece of shit you have ever had to touch or see or listen to, and I wont care. What bugs me is when people laugh at them and call them terrible movies when they haven't seen them. Anyone can do that, and right now, since twilight is a popular thing to hate, they conform and say they hate it, even though several people specifically said that they HADN'T read or seen twilight.

Please give your honest opinion, and I don't care if you hate it or not, as long as it's your opinion. Otherwise you are just conforming to the group of people that hate the popular things to hate.

POPULAR THINGS TO HATE
--Twilight
--Justin Bieber
--Lady Gaga
--Country Music
--Rebecca Black
--Amy Winehouse

To be perfectly honest, I love some of the people and things on that list, others I think are ok, and only one is worthy of our contempt and pity.

Ok, I'm taking a guess. We're supposed to hate and... pity...uhmmmmmmmmmm...


...Lemme see here...

/ponder/

I'm going with Amy Winehouse.

 

[Stella_Omega]

• I hated twilight for feminist and porn-preference and writing skills reasons.
• I have never heard one single thing that Justin Beiber has ever done, which has been a very easy thing to achieve.
• I'm good with Lady Gaga, although I prefer
• Country music (at least traditional country and neo country) to her style of hip hop pop.
• I don't know who Rebecca Black is.
• I loved Amy Winehouse's voice, musical taste, flair, and anger and was not surprised that she died.

 

[Cruel2BKind]

Lol,

I was wondering who people were going to choose.

Rebecca black was the poor untalented teenager that some producers decided to prey on. They layered the poor tween's voice with enough robo-sounds to make her sound like a siren, and forced her to sing the abomination that became...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulAzjx3LUHI

 

[GinaTina]

I was wondering who people were going to choose.

Rebecca black was the poor untalented teenager that some producers decided to prey on. They layered the poor tween's voice with enough robo-sounds to make her sound like a siren, and forced her to sing the abomination that became...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulAzjx3LUHI

AWWW! I guessed wrong, then?

 

[jdnunyer]

I was wondering who people were going to choose.

Rebecca black was the poor untalented teenager that some producers decided to prey on. They layered the poor tween's voice with enough robo-sounds to make her sound like a siren, and forced her to sing the abomination that became...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulAzjx3LUHI

I'd heard of it, but never actually listened.

Ouch.

Abomination is a good word for it, Cruel2BKind.

 

[Cruel2BKind]

Honestly we should hate her producers and not her...

Another peeve is misplaced hatred. We shouldn't hate Kirsten stewert, we should hate stephanie meyer for writing her that way. We shouldn't hate Rebecca Black, we should hate the producers who tried to make their music popular by making it hateful to the ear.

And so on and so forth.

I wonder how much hate mail poor Rebecca finds every day in her mailbox...

 

[jdnunyer]

Good point. I agree.

 

[cloudy]

I read Twilight before the series got launched into rancid popularity by the movies, and I think that people diss it way too much. I'm probably going to get a lot of hate-posts for this, but I LIKED twilight. I know that it wasn't good, and that Bella is a conniving little bitch that should be a twisted villain in a shakespeare play, and not the 'average teenage girl'.

The books were a nice read when bored and the urge to read cutesy romantic novels struck, and the movies were also good to watch when I felt the urge to watch tween porn. I never mistook them for good movies, they were simple eye-candy.

If you have seen or read twilight, you can call it the worst piece of shit you have ever had to touch or see or listen to, and I wont care. What bugs me is when people laugh at them and call them terrible movies when they haven't seen them. Anyone can do that, and right now, since twilight is a popular thing to hate, they conform and say they hate it, even though several people specifically said that they HADN'T read or seen twilight.

Please give your honest opinion, and I don't care if you hate it or not, as long as it's your opinion. Otherwise you are just conforming to the group of people that hate the popular things to hate.

POPULAR THINGS TO HATE
--Twilight
--Justin Bieber
--Lady Gaga
--Country Music
--Rebecca Black
--Amy Winehouse

To be perfectly honest, I love some of the people and things on that list, others I think are ok, and only one is worthy of our contempt and pity.

I've seen the Twilight movies, and tried to read the first book. It reads like it was written by a remedial 5th grader on steroids....just horrible. Had to put it down quickly. The movies...pretty much ditto.

Justin Bieber: has a decent voice (certainly nothing extraordinary), has exploited the culture popularity machine admirably, otherwise, meh.

I like Lady Gaga, but she's almost turned into a cartoon of herself. Enough is enough.

Country music: can take it or leave it. Not really my thing, but there are some tunes/singers I like.

Rebecca Black: Are you fucking serious?

Amy Winehouse: gorgeous voice in the possession of a troubled soul.

There....satisfied?

 

[PennLady]

So if you don't like vampire stories, don't read them. No one's making you.

And vampire -- or werewolf or whatever -- stories are no better or worse than any other type. Some are well-done, some are not, and that's the way it goes. I haven't read Twilight (and doubt I will) but on the other hand I have read others (like a little Laurel K. Hamilton) and those I enjoy.

 

[CandiCame]

--Twilight
--Justin Bieber
--Lady Gaga
--Country Music
--Rebecca Black
--Amy Winehouse


I do dislike Twilight. I haven't watched the movies though, so I'm not being fair. I read the books and could see how teenagers would like them. Just doesn't hold my interest long enough to read the rest of the series. I'm more Anne Rice- but that might be because I'm a guy. A lot of my female friends seem to like Twilight, so I'm wondering if there's a preference difference along gender lines.

I don't know who that is.

I like Lady Gaga.

I like Country. Is it popular to dislike country? You wouldn't know it around here... I also live in Ky though, so it's very likely a cultural thing. And I AM so much cooler on-line.

I don't know who that is.

I don't know who that is.

Now I feel really bad... Culturally illiterate and out of touch... Thanks, Literotica! I'm gonna go Google these people and find out what's going on in the world.

But the vampire thing- vampires are hot. And they're all over the media right now. I'll admit I'm a season and a half or so behind on TrueBlood, but I love that show... Anne Rice is a golden goddess, and any movie that has Brad Pitt, Antoni Bandaras, and oh shit, totally blanking out here- Louie, other super-hot guy- shit WHY CAN'T I THINK OF HIS NAME! I KNOW IT AS WELL AS I KNOW MY OWN! Anyway- that's enough to get me to watch it. Someone please tell me Louie's name...

 

[lovecraft68]

Yeah well with the exception of the ever hot Jessica Biel and the trashy, yet sexy Parker Posey character Blade three was a pile of ridiculous garbage, where Blade could defeat Dracula because he was, well cause he was Blade!

I hate the good has to win only because they're good. Pure evil will more often than not win in reality because it cares about nothing and has nothing to lose.

 

[3113]

Another peeve is misplaced hatred. We shouldn't hate Kirsten stewert, we should hate stephanie meyer for writing her that way.

I'm fine with hating Stephanie Meyer.

 

[lovecraft68]

I read Twilight before the series got launched into rancid popularity by the movies, and I think that people diss it way too much. I'm probably going to get a lot of hate-posts for this, but I LIKED twilight. I know that it wasn't good, and that Bella is a conniving little bitch that should be a twisted villain in a shakespeare play, and not the 'average teenage girl'.

The books were a nice read when bored and the urge to read cutesy romantic novels struck, and the movies were also good to watch when I felt the urge to watch tween porn. I never mistook them for good movies, they were simple eye-candy.

If you have seen or read twilight, you can call it the worst piece of shit you have ever had to touch or see or listen to, and I wont care. What bugs me is when people laugh at them and call them terrible movies when they haven't seen them. Anyone can do that, and right now, since twilight is a popular thing to hate, they conform and say they hate it, even though several people specifically said that they HADN'T read or seen twilight.

Please give your honest opinion, and I don't care if you hate it or not, as long as it's your opinion. Otherwise you are just conforming to the group of people that hate the popular things to hate.

POPULAR THINGS TO HATE
--Twilight
--Justin Bieber
--Lady Gaga
--Country Music
--Rebecca Black
--Amy Winehouse

To be perfectly honest, I love some of the people and things on that list, others I think are ok, and only one is worthy of our contempt and pity.

With the exception of Winehoues, whose music I enjoyed and who I did pity as a troubled victim of addiction. The rest of this list for me could be summed up by the classic Living Color skit "Men on Film"

Hated it!!

 

[jdnunyer]

Yeah well with the exception of the ever hot Jessica Biel and the trashy, yet sexy Parker Posey character Blade three was a pile of ridiculous garbage, where Blade could defeat Dracula because he was, well cause he was Blade!

I hate the good has to win only because they're good. Pure evil will more often than not win in reality because it cares about nothing and has nothing to lose.

You're absolutely right, Lovecraft. In fact, I prefer to pretend no sequels to Blade were ever made. Not that the first one was great, but it would have been best left there, IMHO.

Of course, we're not quite talking the Matrix here. If there were ever sequels I wish I could unmake, it would be Matrix: Reloaded and Matrix: Revolutions.


I agree with you about good winning just for being good. That's one of the things I love about GRRM's A Song of Ice and Fire.

 

[lovecraft68]

So if you don't like vampire stories, don't read them. No one's making you.

And vampire -- or werewolf or whatever -- stories are no better or worse than any other type. Some are well-done, some are not, and that's the way it goes. I haven't read Twilight (and doubt I will) but on the other hand I have read others (like a little Laurel K. Hamilton) and those I enjoy.

No one is saying they are forced too. Point of the thread is it is enough to make your eyes roll every time you see another Vampire book, movie. story appearing.

I liken this to Zombies who like their name seem to go away and come back from the dead every so many years to plague us with "new" spins on Romero's classic concept.

 

[Nina21]

--Twilight

But the vampire thing- vampires are hot. And they're all over the media right now. I'll admit I'm a season and a half or so behind on TrueBlood, but I love that show... Anne Rice is a golden goddess, and any movie that has Brad Pitt, Antoni Bandaras, and oh shit, totally blanking out here- Louie, other super-hot guy- shit WHY CAN'T I THINK OF HIS NAME! I KNOW IT AS WELL AS I KNOW MY OWN! Anyway- that's enough to get me to watch it. Someone please tell me Louie's name...

Louie was Brad Pitt, Lestat was played by Tom Cruise.

 

[PennLady]

No one is saying they are forced too. Point of the thread is it is enough to make your eyes roll every time you see another Vampire book, movie. story appearing.

I liken this to Zombies who like their name seem to go away and come back from the dead every so many years to plague us with "new" spins on Romero's classic concept.

If I rolled my eyes every time I saw someone complaining about vampire stories, they'd roll right out of my head.

There's always a genre that to those who don't like it, will seem like you can't escape it. I myself am a bit fed up with the Twilight-type tween books. I'm a grownup, give me grown up books. So I just don't read Twilight.

Monsters have always been with us in stories, be it ghosts, zombies, or whatever. It's the use to which their put in the story or work that's important. Zombies provide a way to figure out what people might do in extreme crisis situations -- in fact, the zombies aren't even that important. They're pretty boring monsters, really.

 

[lovecraft68]

If I rolled my eyes every time I saw someone complaining about vampire stories, they'd roll right out of my head.

There's always a genre that to those who don't like it, will seem like you can't escape it. I myself am a bit fed up with the Twilight-type tween books. I'm a grownup, give me grown up books. So I just don't read Twilight.

Monsters have always been with us in stories, be it ghosts, zombies, or whatever. It's the use to which their put in the story or work that's important. Zombies provide a way to figure out what people might do in extreme crisis situations -- in fact, the zombies aren't even that important. They're pretty boring monsters, really.

Oh I don't mind Vampires, my annoyance is with as you said the "Tween" type stories and as far and here goes the endless Jaz Cullen wannabees.

Zombies are okay if as you said the story does not focus on them. Walking Dead is a good example. And honestly the first Dawn of the Dead was very well done. With people "arguing" on television about what was going on while these things were running through the city.

Also one of the eeriest scenes I have ever seen was in that movie. In the beginning when the swat team is sweeping the building and they find the minister who was sitting there with all the dying and recently dead and they went around shooting them. Well done and it has always stuck with me.

 

[CandiCame]

Oh I don't mind Vampires, my annoyance is with as you said the "Tween" type stories and as far and here goes the endless Jaz Cullen wannabees.

Zombies are okay if as you said the story does not focus on them. Walking Dead is a good example. And honestly the first Dawn of the Dead was very well done. With people "arguing" on television about what was going on while these things were running through the city.

Also one of the eeriest scenes I have ever seen was in that movie. In the beginning when the swat team is sweeping the building and they find the minister who was sitting there with all the dying and recently dead and they went around shooting them. Well done and it has always stuck with me.

Zombie photographer- BEST GAME EVER.

I can't wait to go to Uranusland!

I might make that my new sig.

Also, I like Blade- but more the comics then the movies. I like the inventor guy. He makes me smile.

 

[sr71plt]

The only thing that could kill a vampire is another vampire,

Well, now, this may be the root of your problem. Vampires are mythical. As I writer of fiction, you can change your vampire characters around any way you'd like.

And if folks start saying, "But vampires must . . . ," just thumb your nose at them and say, "My vampires are different. My are Cleveland vampires. Cleveland vampires do . . ."

 

[lovecraft68]

Well, now, this may be the root of your problem. Vampires are mythical. As I writer of fiction, you can change your vampire characters around any way you'd like.

And if folks start saying, "But vampires must . . . ," just thumb your nose at them and say, "My vampires are different. My are Cleveland vampires. Cleveland vampires do . . ."

A nice touch that McCammon put into They Thirst was that since one of his vampires was an atheist in "real life", He did not fear the cross as a vampire.

He also had a Vampire that had been in a motorcycle gang and carried a German Mauser automatic pistol. Even after he was 'converted' he would still whip the pistol out and shoot people.

Customizing any supernatural character is a pretty good move to try to set you apart from the majority of same old same old.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Yeah well with the exception of the ever hot Jessica Biel and the trashy, yet sexy Parker Posey character Blade three was a pile of ridiculous garbage, where Blade could defeat Dracula because he was, well cause he was Blade!

I hate the good has to win only because they're good. Pure evil will more often than not win in reality because it cares about nothing and has nothing to lose.

I was just supposed to be funny, not a commentary on how good or how bad either movie(s) were/was...although I would much rather watch a pile of ridiculous garbage called Blade III than any of the Twilight fiascoes they called films.

 

[3113]

Well, now, this may be the root of your problem. Vampires are mythical. As I writer of fiction, you can change your vampire characters around any way you'd like.

But at some point, if you change them enough they stop being what most people define as "vampires." I mean, what if we erase the requirement that a vampire drink blood? A lot of other stuff is, as you say, fiction and legend and can be changed. For example, there are old vampire stories that say vampires can survive in daylight as compared to Dracula where the vampire must return to his coffin or turn to dust. So the need to sleep in a coffin during the day could be argued as not being a requirement for a monster which we are calling "vampire." But we use the very word "vampire" to indicate something that thrives on the "blood" or life-force of others.

Which means that if we get rid of that, we're left with something that is, arguably, not a vampire.

It's all well and good to say that they're mythical and we can define them as we like, but we also have to take into account that, as writers, we rely on commonly agreed on definitions to words in order to communicate with our readers. This includes words for things which are mythical. Change something too much, and readers will feel deceived--i.e. that they were told this was a vampire story, but the creatures in it don't need to drink blood--they live on nectar from the flowers, have pretty wings and instead of being the living dead, they come from a magical place...in this instance, we risk alienating readers as they'd rightfully feel that the writer lied to them because the book promised vampires but delivered fairies.

 

[Cruel2BKind]

I've always wanted to write a vampire story...

When there is a good vampire story, it really is amazing. I LOVE vampires. That's why the shmut makes me so upset. One of the recent teen novels (BTW,I'm a teenage girl, so I'm being hit with the full force of the tween porn that is teenage vampire novels) that came out was some bullshit mix between harry potter and twilight...

Alright... Even if the idea wasn't new, I could probably swallow this if it was well written and had decent plot and some fun characters...

But no! One thing that is a recent trend in all teen books, is that if there is a female lead, they want her to be both identifiable to a teen girl audience, but at the same time pack her full of sex appeal. The way they compromise this is not clever or sense-making. They make her a virgin who ALMOST sleeps with three guys just in the first book.

She is an insufferable preppy slutty cock-tease, being a complete whore in the first two books (which I read) and presumably being a complete whore in the other five (which I didn't). According to my friend who actually follows the stories, she loses her cherry in the forth book, to a man twenty years older then her.

So that's who was our role model. A lofty preppy brunette who dicks around with boys one minute, and tells us the next minute that she wants to have a special first time. She has the emotional range of a teaspoon, and the logic of a 5-year-old.

Isn't this just one series? you may ask. Yes, but it is becoming the formula, and not the exception.
FML

 

[lovecraft68]

I was just supposed to be funny, not a commentary on how good or how bad either movie(s) were/was...although I would much rather watch a pile of ridiculous garbage called Blade III than any of the Twilight fiascoes they called films.

Yeah, well when one is raised (and at one point made a living) on comic books, I get my hair up when the shit sucks. And of course Biel alone makes it more watchable then Twilight.

I was very proud however, to note that both my daughters shake their heads in disgust and talk about the sissy vampires in that and all the other Tween vampire shit. Guess I instilled something in them.