Ladies, why don't nice guys get the girl in the end?

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Actually, that's not what this thread's about. But it sure as hell got you here up front and center with the pitchforks, didn't it?

Instead, let's talk about female entitlement, shall we?

Okay WTF what the hell is this boy talking about!!! LOL

I'll tell you what I'm talking about... I'm talking about the Prince Charming that heterosexual women are told they deserve just for being female.

You know the trope. There's the frumpy, dumpy little girl sitting in the dark corner of the house with her mop and bucket, stuck with all the chores. Suddenly WHAMMO!!! the rich/handsome/warrior prince comes and sweep her off her feet. If only she holds out and rejects all the losers - that is to say, all men whose status in life is lesser or similar to hers - at some point she will get romanced and swept off her feet by some rich or handsome guy on a white horse, or some big bad assed warrior. Why else do girls dream of elaborate white weddings and all that nonsense? It's the Cinderella entitlement in effect.

This is the heart and soul of the romance novel industry. Stick to the formula - the downtrodden woman eventually gets swept off her feet by the handsome prince - and you will have great success. 50 Shades of Grey, anyone? Sure, you can slap a few not-so-handsome scars on them like JR Ward did her gang of badass vampire boys in Black Dagger Brotherhood, but they're still uber alpha males / pack leaders - handsome princes (almost literally vampire princes) but with scars, and they still sweep the womenfolk off their feet. There are, of course, outliers like the TV series Chuck, but that's not getting much mileage with women. Put Chuck himself up against Thor and see who has the most female fans. Try that even among feminists. Oh and speaking of Thor, Natalie Portman's character exemplifies the Prince Charming entitlement mentality. (Who the fuck drugged the lady who played Princess Leia's ultra scrappy Queen/Senator-by-day-freedom-fighter-by-night and made her sign up for that weak assed role?) More than likely, Chuck would even lose in a popularity contest with that scheming he-diva Loki.

This sense of entitlement is evident all over the place. Jobless and poor women don't mind dating men, but don't be a jobless man, she won't want you. Even rich women won't date down. And career women, even into their 30s and 40s, believe they are entitled to Prince Charming, even though Prince Charming won't typically touch women like that with a 39 and a half foot pole.

So why doesn't the nice girl get the handsome/rich/warrior prince in the end? Simple - because only a small percentage of men ever reach that level of success. Around their 30s, women start realizing that they can't always get what they want. And so they admit defeat and settle for one of the other 80% of men - you know, that 80% that women find to be below average in attractiveness.

Some of the unhappiest women in the world are the ones who wind up giving up their dream of the handsome, rich warrior prince and facing the reality that those men are in far too limited supply. They're the ones who wind up settling for one of the other 80% of men. And their marriages are rarely ever happy because of it. Sure, they say out loud that they're glad they're with their man, but have you looked at what romance books they're reading? Hint: not many are lookin' for the next Chuck.

This isn't to say that men who settle for the lower 80% of women aren't disappointed that they didn't score Miss (this sector of the) Universe. After all, a recent bunch of miscreant Pickup Artists went on a shaming campaign against fat women which, for the week that it ran, nearly rivaled the daily shaming war that women wage on most men. Guys certainly know how to pick on women they think are "the lower 80%" and there are some men out there who think they deserve the top women. But we as a society have already scolded men about this, repeatedly. Remember "Shallow Hal"?

Nobody dares talk about women's sense of entitlement. Because unlike with men, doing it to women is misogyny.

Equal rights, gotta love it.
 
I'm a total fucking asshole....a JERK...

And I fucked more women by the time I was 10 than LJ will ever get in his whole life..










......that number is exactly ZERO. :cool:
 
if it's put in my mouth, i suck it.

that's not too hard, is it?
 
I'm a total fucking asshole....a JERK...

And I fucked more women by the time I was 10 than LJ will ever get in his whole life..










......that number is exactly ZERO. :cool:
The women you had were made of plastic, bitch!
 
I'm a nice guy and I always stick it in their end.

You're just a whiny little shit and women aren't attracted to that.

Try standing up and being a man for once in your pathetic life.
Neither you nor Botanyboy would even know what a female looks like if there weren't pictures threads on here, you little bitch.

My OP is fucking flawless. Now go eat a shotgun.
 
LJ has a good point in the subject line. In the race for sex the good guy usually does finish last.

The most prolific score-dudes I know are also some of the biggest jerks to women, yet they're still the ones leaving the club with the hottest girls. I've always been mystified by this. It seems to be some kind of female instinct... :confused:
 
LJ has a good point in the subject line. In the race for sex the good guy usually does finish last.

The most prolific score-dudes I know are also some of the biggest jerks to women, yet they're still the ones leaving the club with the hottest girls. I've always been mystified by this. It seems to be some kind of female instinct... :confused:
That's why I never was a nice guy. The nice guy winds up being the 30something dude who marries a tore up from the floor up woman with a laundry list of neurotic issues and kids in tow from her bad boy baby daddy who left her high and dry. And nice guys can't say shit about this because feminists will rip them a new one.

Meanwhile, women are raised from birth to believe their handsome prince is waiting around the corner to rescue them. Entitlement to the n'th friggin degree.

Nobody wants to talk about THAT because the women don't want to check their entitlement, and the men, well, they don't want to lose favor with the women.
 
when i'm actually in love with someone, i don't actually read that many romance novels. i don't find i tend to need the vicarious emotional highs that they give, if i'm already in a happy relationship irl.

having said that, sometimes i'll read a romance novel just because i really like the author and will read her books regardless of what state i'm in.

having said that...is OK cupid really a good indication of the female population's standards for attractiveness? it's a) a pretty small sample size and b) very specific. users of dating websites have specific characteristics and also, over time, develop very different standards to the rest of the dating world due to the "problem of choice" that is unique to dating websites.
 
when i'm actually in love with someone, i don't actually read that many romance novels. i don't find i tend to need the vicarious emotional highs that they give, if i'm already in a happy relationship irl.

having said that, sometimes i'll read a romance novel just because i really like the author and will read her books regardless of what state i'm in.

having said that...is OK cupid really a good indication of the female population's standards for attractiveness? it's a) a pretty small sample size and b) very specific. users of dating websites have specific characteristics and also, over time, develop very different standards to the rest of the dating world due to the "problem of choice" that is unique to dating websites.

And sometimes one reads the romances for the sex.

"Romance" as a genre does not really exist anymore.
 
"romance" is dif to erotica imo! the romance novels i read tend towards historical romance, regencies and such cos i'm an anglophile slightly and they tend not to have that much sex, and it's additionally very flowery sex.

i'd categorise 50 shades as erotica, and anything that focuses more on sex than the rest of the stuff as erotica
 
when i'm actually in love with someone, i don't actually read that many romance novels. i don't find i tend to need the vicarious emotional highs that they give, if i'm already in a happy relationship irl.

having said that, sometimes i'll read a romance novel just because i really like the author and will read her books regardless of what state i'm in.

having said that...is OK cupid really a good indication of the female population's standards for attractiveness? it's a) a pretty small sample size and b) very specific. users of dating websites have specific characteristics and also, over time, develop very different standards to the rest of the dating world due to the "problem of choice" that is unique to dating websites.
But who out there isn't raised to feel entitled to their Prince Charming?

Feminists have gone on about how men feel entitled to the hot babe. There is a very solid flip-side that doesn't get talked about.
 
Because nice guys wrongly assume the girl wouldnt be into buttsects?

...
 
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