Judge Says California Can't Ban Gay Marriage

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By LISA LEFF, Associated Press Writer

SAN FRANCISCO - A judge ruled Monday that California's ban on gay marriage is unconstitutional — a legal milestone that, if upheld on appeal, would open the way for the most populous state to follow Massachusetts in allowing same-sex couples to wed.


Judge Richard Kramer of San Francisco County's trial-level Superior Court likened the ban to laws requiring racial segregation in schools, and said there appears to be "no rational purpose" for denying marriage to gay couples.

The ruling came in response to lawsuits filed by the city of San Francisco and a dozen gay couples a year ago after the California Supreme Court halted a four-week same-sex marriage spree started by Mayor Gavin Newsom.

The opinion had been eagerly awaited because of San Francisco's historical role as a gay rights battleground.

Gay marriage supporters hailed the ruling as a historic development akin to the 1948 state Supreme Court decision that made California the first state to legalize interracial marriage.

"Today's ruling is an important step toward a more fair and just California that rejects discrimination and affirms family values for all California families," San Francisco City Attorney Dennis Herrera said.

At issue were a 1977 law that defined marriage as "a personal relation arising out of a civil contract between a man and a woman," and a voter-approved measure in 2000 that amended the law to say more explicitly: "Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California."

The state maintained that tradition dictates that marriage should be limited to opposite-sex couples. Attorney General Bill Lockyer also cited the state's domestic-partners law as evidence that California does not discriminate against gays.

But Kramer rejected that argument, citing Brown v. Board of Education — the landmark U.S. Supreme Court decision that struck down segregated schools.

"The idea that marriage-like rights without marriage is adequate smacks of a concept long rejected by the courts — separate but equal," the judge wrote.

It could be months or years before the state actually sanctions same-sex marriage, if ever.

Robert Tyler, an attorney with the conservative Alliance Defense Fund, said the group would appeal. And Lockyer has said in the past that he expected the matter eventually would have to be settled by the California Supreme Court.

Last winter, nearly 4,000 gay couples got married after Newsom instructed the city to issue them licenses. The California Supreme Court later declared those marriages void, saying the mayor overstepped his authority. But the court did not address the underlying issue of whether the law against gay marriage violates the California Constitution.

Two bills now before the California Legislature would put a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage on the November ballot. If California voters approve such an amendment, as those in 13 other states did last year, that would put the issue out of the control of lawmakers and the courts.

The decision is the latest development in a national debate that has been raging since 2003, when the highest court in Massachusetts decided that denying gay couples the right to wed was unconstitutional.

In the wake of the Massachusetts ruling, gay rights advocates filed lawsuits seeking to strike down traditional marriage laws in several other states. Opponents responded by proposing state and federal constitutional amendments banning gay marriage.

Around the country, Kramer is the fourth trial court judge in recent months to decide that the right to marry and its benefits must be extended to same-sex couples.

Two Washington state judges, ruling last summer in separate cases, held that prohibiting same-sex marriage violates that state's constitution, and on Feb. 4, a New York City judge ruled in favor of five gay couples who had been denied marriage licenses by the city.

Just as many judges have gone the other way in recent months, however, refusing to accept the argument that keeping gays from marrying violates their civil rights.

California has the highest percentage of same-sex partners in the nation, and its Legislature has gone further than any other in providing gay couples the benefits of marriage without being forced to do so by court order.
 
I hope they are able to over turn the vote against it here in Oregon so this piece of paper we have can be made legal.


Kudos Judge Kramer!!!!
 
mercy's_grace said:
I clearly need to move out west.


I'm not moving and it doesn't affect me personally, but I'm going to do my damnest to fight the fight right here.

Love has no boundaries.
 
I would imagine that most state constitutions would have to be similarly interpreted were it not for an amendment specifically banning it in some of them...or am I talking out of my ass again?
 
It seems to me that some places on the coasts are getting it right (at least the judicial systems...god I love judges right now), but the midsection of the country needs to wake up and smell the justice.

Welcome to gay marriage, CA. :heart: :heart: :heart:
 
anne27 said:
I'm not moving and it doesn't affect me personally, but I'm going to do my damnest to fight the fight right here.

Love has no boundaries.

I respect that. :rose:
 
Don't uncork the champagne yet!

Judge Kramer is only a Superior Court Judge. His decision will certainly be appealed, and likely will end up in the California Supreme Court. They may well overturn it.

Equal protection is also in the U.S. Constitution. Although the U.S. Supreme Court is very conservative now, they did recently make a decision in favor of gay and lesbian rights in Lawrence v. Kansas. So it's hard to predict exactly how they'll go. Absent a definitive ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court, then it will be up to each state's high court to decide under that state's law.

Another factor here is the "full faith and credit" clause of the U.S. Constitution. It seems clear to me, that under it a marriage legally performed in one state has to be recognized in all the others. That means the federal "Defense of Marriage" Act is unconcstitutional, as are similar laws at the state level. However, to my knowledge, no court has yet so ruled.

The fight continues, but Judge Kramer's decision is an important victory.
:nana:
 
finally, progress

that judge kramer is one of the good ones

it looks like we'll actually see some progress soon

personally, me and my boyfriend don't plan on marriage, even if it does get legalized here, but we support those who do want to



and, to judge kramer, a big thanks on behalf of all gays and bisexuals, and one of my rare happy nana dances! :nana:
 
headstrong69 said:
that judge kramer is one of the good ones

it looks like we'll actually see some progress soon

personally, me and my boyfriend don't plan on marriage, even if it does get legalized here, but we support those who do want to



and, to judge kramer, a big thanks on behalf of all gays and bisexuals, and one of my rare happy nana dances! :nana:

What makes it even sweeter is that Judge Kramer is a Catholic Republican - appointed by Republican governor Pete Wilson. Funny how quiet they can be when it's one of their "activist judges." :D
 
Pookie said:
What makes it even sweeter is that Judge Kramer is a Catholic Republican - appointed by Republican governor Pete Wilson. Funny how quiet they can be when it's one of their "activist judges." :D
Yeah, it is funny, but I'm happier that Judge Kramer is doing his job without bringing in his religion and his politics. That makes me smile. :rose:
 
people's religions should be kept out of politics
doesn't it say somewhere that legally, church should be seperate from state?

but, i consider this whole gay rights thing to be proof for my belief that america's unofficial national religion is christianity
i think the christians are just waiting for their chance to make it official
 
One of two things are going to eventually end up happening here and I seriously doubt that it's going to be the second (although that would be the one that would make the most sense!)

1) All this debate in each individual state is going to be ended when one of these state appeals goes to the U.S. Supreme Court, which, depending on the ruling, could end up with an amendment to the U.S. Constitution (which is EXACTLY what Bush and his minions are hoping for,) or if it ends up with a ruling in favor of same-sex marriages, ALL the bans will be declared unconstitutional. BIG roll of the dice on something this important.

2)We take the government out of marriage. If you can find an ordained minister willing to marry you, you can get married, period.

Here's a lovely tidbit, for tax purposes the Fed. Government usually follows state law, whatever defines marriage in your state. Federal doesn't recognise same-sex so you can't file a joint fed. return, however, if your state recognises common-law marriage, you CAN file a joint return. Hell, if you're in a state that recognises common-law, you may be required to file one of the married statuses even though you never got the piece of paper! Gotta love Congress :confused:
 
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