Is this a HATE crime?

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GANG RAPE' PACK BARES EVIL SCHEME
By MURRAY WEISS, GEORGETT ROBERTS, PHILIP MESSING and ADAM MILLER

December 22, 2002 -- Four homeless men have confessed to brutally beating and gang-raping a woman for two terrifying hours in a shantytown near Shea Stadium, police sources said yesterday as the squalid encampment was dismantled by officials.

In graphic, gory detail, the Mexican immigrants, who showed no remorse for the chilling attack, admitted their guilt in videotaped statements, saying it "was a robbery that went way out of control," one of the sources said.

"Let's rob them," Carlos Rodriguez, 22, the alleged ringleader, told three pals, the sources said.

The victim, a 42-year-old Queens mother of two, told cops the men told her "they would have to kill her because she could identify them," said Queens District Attorney Richard Brown.

"The plan was to sexually assault her, kill her and dump her so her body wouldn't be found," said another official.

The attack began shortly before 10 p.m. Thursday, when the suspects jumped the woman and her boyfriend, a 38-year-old watch salesman, on the walkway linking the National Tennis Center at Flushing Meadow Park to the Long Island Rail Road and No. 7 train stations, cops said.

The men, who range in age from 18 to 22, beat and robbed the couple, then dragged the woman down a flight of rickety stairs leading to the LIRR platform, across the tracks and to a cluster of shanties in the deep woods nearby, police said.

"I have children, I have children," the woman, a Cuban immigrant, cried as she begged the men to stop, the sources said.

After brutalizing her, they snatched a gold chain and a credit card from her, cops said.

When her boyfriend came to his senses, he borrowed a passer-by's cell phone to call cops.

More than 75 cops descended on the park.

A police dog tracked the suspects to the shantytown, which cops surrounded.

After the victim, beaten and bloody, emerged from one of the hovels, the dog, a 10-year-old German shepherd named Sean, was unleashed and rousted the suspects.

Arrested along with Rodriguez - who cops said is a member of a Mexican gang known as "Knights of Destruction" - were Jose Hernandez, 18, Victor Cruz, 22, and Louis Carmona, 20.

Late yesterday, police said they were looking for two more men they believe were involved in the heinous crime.

Jesus Torres, 28, was also arrested and implicated in the attack, but cops now believe he was not involved.

The woman was released from New York Hospital on Friday after being treated for bruises and cuts all over her body.

Brown called the attack "a devastating ordeal of violation and terror."

The shanties, which were ripped down by Parks Department workers, sat on property belonging to the Metropolitan Transportation Authority.

The four suspects were ordered held without bail last night after being arraigned on rape, sodomy, kidnapping, assault and robbery charges.

If convicted, each faces up to 25 years in prison.

Torres was held in lieu of $500 bail on misdemeanor trespass charges.

Gee, they showed no remorse. what a surprise.
 
25 years just isn't enough. That's if they even got 25 years in the first place.
 
Where do you get the whole "hate crime" angle?

It looks like the usual maladjusted, immature male's hatred of women and attempt to objectify and demean them.
 
In what way is this a hate crime?

I mean the guys should get the max. Actually they should be hung for a crime such as this. The rape of any person is wrong.
 
If the victim was BLACK

and the perps were WHITE......

Would this be a nationwide story?

Bet on it!
 
April said:
Where do you get the whole "hate crime" angle?

It looks like the usual maladjusted, immature male's hatred of women and attempt to objectify and demean them.
dragging james byrd behind a truck was called by many a "hate"crime as was the beating and death of matthew sheppard. the same standards should apply.
 
Gil_Favor said:
dragging james byrd behind a truck was called by many a "hate"crime as was the beating and death of matthew sheppard. the same standards should apply.

Well, there are those who argue that every crime against women should be a hate crime.

But if people are chosen at random with no thought given towards them outside of the fact that they would make good victims then they aren't cases that fall under the scope of "hate crimes' legislation.
 
Hate Crime is a stupid term that should never be used to describe anything.
 
I vote "Nay" on the hate crime issue.

IT is rape. They deserve severe punishment.

Hate crime? Well, crime is crime. Even hate crimes are initially trespassing, harassment, murder, assault....crimes.

Hate is the motivation.

Is using the term "Hate crime" unconstitutional?
Isn't this a way of cleansing the thoughts and feelings of others.

Crime is crime and should be punished.

Whether I agree or not, everyone has the right to make their own opinions and if someone hates a group of people, they are ignorant.

Does classificaton as a "Hate crime" change the minimum r maximum sentencing?
 
If this

Well, there are those who argue that every crime against women should be a hate crime.

is true.....

Then crimes agains men should be called

LOVE CRIMES???????
 
Legally this is not a hate crime. If their innitial motive was robbery, that eliminates it legally from being one. Keep in mind though that they're not guilty until they've been convicted. By the way, what is the source of this article (always quote the source). The way it's written seems pretty unprofessional (quoting heresay from un-named sources.. that's a journalistic no-no). If they are guilty they should get the maximum penalty allowable.

By the way, I believe the history of hate crime legislation came out of the lynching of black people in the south. It was meant to be an added deterant and another weapon of prosecution against those types of crimes when they were rampant and often unprosecuted in the south.
 
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Gil_Favor said:
dragging james byrd behind a truck was called by many a "hate"crime as was the beating and death of matthew sheppard. the same standards should apply.
Was she chosen to be the victim due to race? Or was it just unlucky timing? The aticle said she is a Cuban immigrant. Aren't Mexicans and Cubans both considered Hispanic? I don't see any racism from the article.
By the way,I disagree with whole idea that hate crime should be prosecuted and/or sentenced any differently than other circumstances. Rape is Rape and Murder is Murder etc.Let's punish the offenders with the full weight of the law
 
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