Is race based congressional redistricting coming to an end?

[Rebel5soul]

You seem to enjoy slander.

Forward my post to the DEI poster child so she can sue me.

 

[Rebel5soul]

Translation: They do NOT want minorities holding any political offices in this country ever.

That's a silly assertion.

 

[Hel_Books]

Do you believe race-based gerrymandering should remain a permanent fixture in voting maps? Has nothing changed since 1965?

Seeing how they're trying to gerrymander a black representative out of their seat, yeah, it does look a lot like 1965!

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Seeing how they're trying to gerrymander a black representative out of their seat, yeah, it does look a lot like 1965!

Sounds like you believe race-based gerrymandering should remain indefinitely.

 

[Hel_Books]

Hel_Books said:
Seeing how they're trying to gerrymander a black representative out of their seat, yeah, it does look a lot like 1965!

Sounds like you believe race-based gerrymandering should remain indefinitely.

Gerrymandering is being used now to dilute minority votes, so they have even less representation than would be fair.

Perhaps you need a constitutional amendment to outlaw gerrymandering entirely. Do you think the white majority would go for that?

 

[Hel_Books]

Translation: They do NOT want minorities holding any political offices in this country ever.

It's that "tyranny of the majority" thing. The kind of thing autocrats like Donald Trump simply adore.

At least until people start to discover how much they suffer under his policies. Then they have to figure out how to work right wing minority rule!

 

[ll74]

Forward my post to the DEI poster child so she can sue me.

Why would I do that? Pointing out slander isn't a legal proceeding and whether you face consequences for it isn't something I care about. Typically, those who participate in bad behavior without repercussions don't change that behavior. It doesn't make it not bad behavior.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Gerrymandering is being used now to dilute minority votes, so they have even less representation than would be fair.

Perhaps you need a constitutional amendment to outlaw gerrymandering entirely. Do you think the white majority would go for that?

I think every state in the country would oppose transferring map drawing powers to the federal government.

How would you define and quantify gerrymandering? What objective standards would be applied to determine if a local, state, or federal legislative district was gerrymandered or not?

 

[Hel_Books]

Hel_Books said:
Gerrymandering is being used now to dilute minority votes, so they have even less representation than would be fair.

Perhaps you need a constitutional amendment to outlaw gerrymandering entirely. Do you think the white majority would go for that?

I think every state in the country would oppose transferring map drawing powers to the federal government.

How would you define and quantify gerrymandering? What objective standards would be applied to determine if a local, state, or federal legislative district was gerrymandered or not?

One idea I read about was to require that, assuming states used geographical districts (nothing in your Constitution requires geographical districts, only that representatives be distributed according to population; allocating according to the proportion of the total vote, as is done in some countries, would be another possibility), then each district should have, say, a location in it with a line of sight to every other point in the district that does not pass through another district in that state. That would eliminate the "salamander" shaped districts from which the term gerrymander got its name.

That wouldn't transfer the "drawing" to the federal government.

 

[73Seahawks]

Seeing how they're trying to gerrymander a black representative out of their seat, yeah, it does look a lot like 1965!

Looks like the Republican-supermajority Indiana General Assembly will redraw their congressional districts inside the Hoosier State.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1978819524838215902

 

[ChloeTzang]

She was referring to the term as described in Allen v Milligan.(21-1086_1co6.pdf https://share.google/RdgKHzKJ8YazaZL1V (page 24) - Chief Justice Roberts delivered the opinion


Feel free to read context rather than a tweet.

https://share.google/R5PJccWcVkRxwfLnG (page 99)

Basically saying blacks are disabled, okay. Disabled. Retarded. Whatever

I don't see Asian-Americans having any problems figuring this one out. Or Hispanics. Not even illegals have a problem voting.

Go figure.

 

[ll74]

Basically saying blacks are disabled, okay. Disabled. Retarded. Whatever

It was being used differently than is being portrayed in this slanderous tweet.

I don't see Asian-Americans having any problems figuring this one out. Or Hispanics. Not even illegals have a problem voting.

Go figure.

If you want to pull out one line click bait to call a justice insulting names as a baseline to understanding our justice system, have at it.

The insult the comic dog.mentality of the current political system isn't meant for anything but likes.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Do you believe race-based gerrymandering should remain a permanent fixture in voting maps? Has nothing changed since 1965?

There are one or two countries with race-based voting. NOT gerrymandering tho. If we wnat to have black districts. We could easily do this while also abandoning gerrymandering. And we could do it for whites hispanics and Asians as well. And North American Indians.

New Zealand has a system where 7 parliamentary seats are allocated to Maoris, the Māori seats are a special category of electorate that give reserved positions to representatives of Māori in the New Zealand Parliament. Every area in New Zealand is covered by both a general and a Māori electorate; as of 2020, there are seven Māori electorates. Since 1967, candidates in Māori electorates have not needed to be Māori themselves, but to register as a voter in the Māori electorates people need to declare that they are of Māori descent.

No reason why we coudn't do this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Māori_electorates

 

[Rebel5soul]

Basically saying blacks are disabled, okay. Disabled. Retarded. Whatever

I don't see Asian-Americans having any problems figuring this one out. Or Hispanics. Not even illegals have a problem voting.

Go figure.

Being able to vote isn't the issue. The entire notion is based on a flawed assumption.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Being able to vote isn't the issue. The entire notion is based on a flawed assumption.

The basic issue is a racist desire for black people to be represented by black reps, and to achieve this districts were tortured into a shape and population where this would happen, destroying the integority of the eelectoral system and giving both sides the opportunity to twist and stretch and reshape districts to achieve the desired results. In solving one "problem" the created a worse one

(or better, because we know wth all the resdistricting that's going on, the GOP will create anywhere from 15-25 seats that they will now win, giving them a more or less permanent House majority, all going well).

As always, the Dems came up with a short term solution that has now backfired on them.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

There are one or two countries with race-based voting. NOT gerrymandering tho.

NOT gerrymandering? What’s your definition of the term? How to you objectively determine whether or not a district is gerrymandered? Does it have to resemble a salamander? Is there a requirement for a certain percentage of registered voters from each party? Or some percentage of voters from each party based on recent elections? What would the percentage allocation be?

I’m not criticizing your comment. Just pointing out that the term is thrown about without any clear, objective way of defining it.

 

[ChloeTzang]

NOT gerrymandering? What’s your definition of the term? How to you objectively determine whether or not a district is gerrymandered? Does it have to resemble a salamander? Is there a requirement for a certain percentage of registered voters from each party? Or some percentage of voters from each party based on recent elections? What would the percentage allocation be?

I’m not criticizing your comment. Just pointing out that the term is thrown about without any clear, objective way of defining it.

I know.

Gerrymandering - personally I think anything other than contiguous physical areas is gerrymandering.

good example of what districts should look like - this is from Toronto - no funny business here! It's all geographic and based on roughly equal #s of voters in each district

Taking into account geographical features, if an electoral map doesn't look like this, approximately, it's gerrymandered.

 

[Rebel5soul]

I know.

Gerrymandering - personally I think anything other than contiguous physical areas is gerrymandering.

good example of what districts should look like - this is from Toronto - no funny business here! It's all geographic and based on roughly equal #s of voters in each district

Taking into account geographical features, if an electoral map doesn't look like this, approximately, it's gerrymandered.

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And one wonders why Canada is swirling down the "progressive" toilet?

 

[Rightguide]

When Louisiana v. Callais is decided, and if the Court strikes down Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act on the grounds that it permits race-based congressional districting, the Democratic Party could lose as many as 19 seats in the House of Representatives, a shift that would likely accelerate its ongoing decline in national political influence.

 

[icanhelp1]

Did I read this right? Is Justice Ketanji Jackson actually saying out loud that black people are too retarded to vote?

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Yes, believe your lying ears. She lowers the overall IQ of SCOTUS by 20 points.

 

[icanhelp1]

Gerrymandering is being used now to dilute minority votes, so they have even less representation than would be fair.

Minorities don’t need a handicap. They can vote issues based on merit not color. To assume they can’t is insulting to them.

Perhaps you need a constitutional amendment to outlaw gerrymandering entirely. Do you think the white majority would go for that?

 

[Rightguide]

Yes, believe your lying ears. She lowers the overall IQ of SCOTUS by 20 points.

She’s proving to be a disgrace to the Court, easily on track to become the most partisan and least intellectually grounded Justice in modern history. Her opinions are guided not by law, precedent, or constitutional reasoning, but by emotion and ideology. She argues from how she wishes the law were, not how it is. In truth, she’d make a far better politician than a judge.

 

[Lazaran]

Do you believe race-based gerrymandering should remain a permanent fixture in voting maps? Has nothing changed since 1965?

BabyBoobs must have missed the “Young republicans racist telegram text scandal”, Charlie “Cook” opining that black women lack brain capacity for governing, the continued / continuing GROSS disparities (social & economic) between black Americans and white Americans - the numbers have barely moved since the 1950s and 60s due to white Americans actively undermining the system and the law (See also: DonOld Trump’s racist real estate practices, etc).



Also:

BabyBoobs is clearly in favor of white-race-based gerrymandering which would proliferate more than it CURRENTLY does if the white racist right wing SCOTUS majority (including their bought and paid for “one black friend”) dilute the VRA.



Hope that ^ helps.





We. Told. Them. So.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

BabyBoobs must have missed the “Young republicans racist telegram text scandal”, Charlie “Cook” opining that black women lack brain capacity for governing, the continued / continuing GROSS disparities (social & economic) between black Americans and white Americans - the numbers have barely moved since the 1950s and 60s due to white Americans actively undermining the system and the law (See also: DonOld Trump’s racist real estate practices, etc).



Also:

BabyBoobs is clearly in favor of white-race-based gerrymandering which would proliferate more than it CURRENTLY does if the white racist right wing SCOTUS majority (including their bought and paid for “one black friend”) dilute the VRA.



Hope that ^ helps.





We. Told. Them. So.

Your depression could get even worse when SCOTUS issues its ruling.

 

[Lazaran]

Your depression could get even worse when SCOTUS issues its ruling.

MAGAts’ (like BabyBoobs) snarky racist, fascist, misogynistic efforts to trigger "the left" (and their legal efforts that genuinely insult and injure non-MAGAt demographics) are all fun and games until someone gets shot in the neck or a riot breaks out…



Side note:

While I eschew violent revolution, there are others in society that obviously do NOT (but I’m an older Cis white male, and many of the MAGAts’ racist policies and actions don’t impact me in quite the same way).



Ultimately:

MAGAts (like BabyBoobs) keep pushing things (trying to "trigger" / "own the libs"), and when the MAGAts (like BabyBoobs) succeed (See: Charlie “Cook”’getting shot in the neck or a riot breaking out over police brutality sanctioned by DonOld Trump) , they cry and wail and vow to white-riot over the country.



Everybody in America has a "trigger"…

MAGAts (like BabyBoobs) should be veeeeery careful or they just might "trigger" themselves and become a victim of their own "CIVIL WAR!!!" / "PURGE!!!" rhetoric.



BabyBoobs



We. Told. Them. So.