The End is Near for Israel/Hamas: Step One:

[Pad_Foot]

You believe if Arabs hide behind children to shoot at Jews, the Jews aren’t allowed to shoot back.

Well! Prove it?
Has anyone ever filmed this happening ?
Just wondering.
Proof would be gruesome but helpful
Cuz it’s easy to say
If you dropped a bomb in the situation ? That’s a bit hard to prove or justify.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Alas, the Israelis are shooting at Palestinian children and you support that.

Operation Salted Fish.

I support delivering aid to the Gazans independently of the corrupt UN system. Hamas tried hard to discourage people from going to the GHF aid centers by starting rumors that Israeli soldiers were shooting people. There’s no evidence to support the accusation.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Ah, Israeli propaganda.

It’s not propaganda to say that Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005.

Look at photos of Gaza from 2023 before the war started. It wasn’t “an open-air prison” as people claimed. October 7th wasn’t caused by oppression. It was pure malice.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Well! Prove it?
Has anyone ever filmed this happening ?
Just wondering.
Proof would be gruesome but helpful
Cuz it’s easy to say
If you dropped a bomb in the situation ? That’s a bit hard to prove or justify.

Some Gazan children have certainly been killed by the IDF during the war. Israel tries to warn civilians to get out of the way of the hostilities, but it’s impossible to protect everyone when Hamas embeds itself among the civilian population.

 

[Pad_Foot]

Some Gazan children have certainly been killed by the IDF during the war. Israel tries to warn civilians to get out of the way of the hostilities, but it’s hard to protect everyone when Hamas embeds itself among the civilian population.

I mean a situation where Hamas is using kids to protect themselves while shooting at the IDF and the kill has to be taken.

Waving your hands and then dropping bombs on civilians? That’s a bit off. Granted we have done far worse than any other country in the world.

 

[Lazaran]

It’s not propaganda to say that Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005.

Look at photos of Gaza from 2023 before the war started. It wasn’t “an open-air prison” as people claimed. October 7th wasn’t caused by oppression. It was pure malice.

I would say it was ALSO strategically coordinated to draw US attention away from Ukraine & Taiwan, etc…

Hamas is in league with Iran, which is in league with Russia, which is in league with China, which is in league with North Korea, - and there are smaller players, like Hezbollah & the Houthis, etc, who fill out the axis of evil.

Hamas (or any "leadership" group in Gaza) is basically an Iranian / Russian / Etc sleeper cell inside of Israel (Gaza’s location makes it practically part of Israel - See also: The West Bank, and Hezbollah in southern Lebanon) that can be activated at any time to occupy the attention and drain resources from the US.

Israel and the US generally tolerated the existence of those sleeper cells before 10/7 (and Israel & US arms manufacturers probably welcomed the perpetual threat, as it brought in ton of cash, etc). But 10/7 was a bridge too far, and anything short of the elimination of significant military (terror) threats in Gaza (and southern Lebanon) would have been gross negligence (not that failing to prevent 10/7 wasn’t) on the part of the Israeli leadership (and Israel followed through with their required response).

I can’t even begin to give DonOld any credit for these recent developments, because Israel had basically achieved "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!", save for the return of the hostages - and Hamas was losing leverage with each passing day since they rejected President Biden’s ceasefire / hostage plan.

Side note (related):

The European coalition that President Biden established has begun to stand up Ukraine more and more since DonOld (Putin’s puppet) betrayed Ukraine, so it isn’t even profitable for Russia (and Iran, China, etc) to continue their operation in Gaza, etc.

That ^ provides the perfect segue for this reality: DonOld STILL hasn’t ended the war in Ukraine "on day one". And DonOld sure as hell didn’t end the Gaza conflict "on day one" (I believe EVERYONE KNOWS it is STILL NOT REALLY over - even IF ALL the hostages are returned).



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[butters]

All we are hearing from America is Democrats wanting peace to fail because Trump brokered it. What an absolutely pathetic position to hold.

The South Levant has a much longer history than 1948. To limit it to that is to not understand why the Jews regard it as their homeland.

bollocks

 

[TravisAW]

bollocks

No it's true, it does have a long history.

 

[butters]

I applaud all diplomatic and legal (non war-crime) attempts at getting the Israeli hostages home again. They should never have been attacked, never hurt, never maimed, tortured, imprisoned and kept in terrible isolated conditions.

This goes EXACTLY the same for the approximately 2,000 Palestinian hostages held by Israel, the majority of whom have been snatched by Israel since Oct.7th's massacre and includes huge numbers of women and children.

I hope that the announced backing of the Arab countries—combined with the rest of the most of the world, placing pressure on both hamas and netanyahu to stop the war crimes—will see an end to this conflict. I dearly hope it to be so. DO I expect it? Not necessarily. netanyahu knows trump has given him the green light to obliterate what's left of Gaza if hamas refuses to de-arm. To date, hamas has made NO announcements that it intends to do so 'until Israel makes moves that ensure the protection of Palestinian people.' It's a huge sticking point.

I don't give trump kudos for brokering 'the deal' since it is the work of diplomatic forces working (more or less) independently of him and involving a broader range of countries than previously. Trump is only in it for himself, and saw being able to claim having 'brought an end to another war' as fodder for his Nobel peace prize desires. As for his not winning it this year, that might fuel some egotistical need for retribution... will it win out against his dream of being touted as the world's best peacemaker? who knows.

netanyahu has only conceded to withdraw troops from certain Palestinian land due to increased pressure from both inside and outside Israel. It will depend on how much he has to lose, personally, as to what form his follow-up moves will take.

 

[butters]

No it's true, it does have a long history.

THIS: All we are hearing from America is Democrats wanting peace to fail because Trump brokered it. What an absolutely pathetic position to hold.

bollocks. absolute fucking bollocks, not to put too fine a point on it.

 

[Lazaran]

All we are hearing from America is Democrats wanting peace to fail because Trump brokered it. What an absolutely pathetic position to hold.

The South Levant has a much longer history than 1948. To limit it to that is to not understand why the Jews regard it as their homeland.

Is that what you’re hearing???



Newsflash:

SOME Democrats just aren’t declaring "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!" and pretending this is some kind of "great success" (diplomatic achievement) after what happened on 10/7 and in the ensuing two years.

Also:

Several Democratic leaders in congress gave credit to many parties involved in the brokered ceasefire, INCLUDING DonOld Trump, who basically did almost nothing personally:

https://www.news8000.com/news/polit...cle_86348f46-7421-54e3-9f8f-275b0516cb27.html



Your comment is a yuuuuuge FAIL.



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[TravisAW]

Just goes to show you how the news gets twisted by the MSM. We've had plenty of Orange Man bad from some outlets, Sleepy Joe bad from other outlets. I'm pleased it's not as bad as it sounds.

 

[Lazaran]

Just goes to show you how the news gets twisted by the MSM. We've had plenty of Orange Man bad from some outlets, Sleepy Joe bad from other outlets. I'm pleased it's not as bad as it sounds.

The news that YOU listen to obviously got “twisted”…



Maybe find a new source for your news???



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[TravisAW]

The news that YOU listen to obviously got “twisted”…



Maybe find a new source for your news???



We. Told. Them. So.

Watched a few to get both sides - similar to what CNN and Fox seem to do for you guys.

Also try and get a few foreign news sites to see what is being kept from us.

 

[butters]

Reuters is reliable

 

[TravisAW]

Reuters is reliable

It does seem to be one of the few that report news rather than opinion pieces.

 

[butters]

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[ll74]

Airstrikes continue.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...under-cover-of-artillery-shelling-airstrikes/