If you have a conviction that is overturned, you are ineligible for a job.

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Again: EVEN if that conviction was overturned, employers don't want you.

Whoops.

Yet another reason we need laws to control their behavior.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelo...anted-sixty-five-million-need-not-apply/print

Help wanted — sixty-five million need not apply

By Zachary Roth
Wed Mar 23, 1:17 pm ET

In 2008, Johnny Magee, who is developmentally disabled, was laid off from his landscaping job in Livermore, California, thanks to government budget cuts. He applied for a new position as a garden center attendant at a nearby Lowe's Home Improvement store. Despite his prior experience, Magee wasn't hired. Why? A background check had turned up a 1999 misdemeanor conviction, stemming from an incident in which he unknowingly picked up a package for his uncle that contained drugs. Later that year, Magee's conviction was dismissed—but that was too late for him to get the job at Lowe's.

Sixty-five million Americans—or one in four adults—have a criminal record. But employers—including major companies like Bank of America, Omni Hotel, and Domino's Pizza—routinely post job ads on Craigslist that explicitly exclude such applicants, according to a new report conducted by the National Employment Law Center (NELP), a labor-affiliated advocacy group.

The practice appears in some cases to be against the law, and at a time of record long-term joblessness, advocates for the poor say it places yet another obstacle in front of people like Magee, who are working to get their life back on track. In addition, there's widespread agreement that helping those with criminal records to find stable employment is crucial for preventing recidivism and preventing future crime. Indeed, that's the reason that the government runs programs designed to make it easier for ex-offenders to find work.

Perhaps most important, effectively making more than one quarter of the American workforce unemployable may be an unsustainable policy for the economy as whole.

"Candidates must be able to pass: background check (no felonies or misdemeanors)," reads one ad placed by the bailed-out banking giant Bank of America. "Do not apply with any misdemeanors/felonies," warns another. And one study last year found that 92 percent of employers said they screen some or all applicants for criminal records.

Many employers use outside companies that specialize in background checks—a fast-growing industry—to help screen out applicants with criminal records. A 2009 investigation by the state of New York found that RadioShack, working with the background check firm ChoicePoint, created a system that asked applicants "Have you been convicted of a felony in the past 7 years?" and automatically rejected anyone who answered "yes."

Because discriminating against those with criminal records disproportionately hurts African Americans, the practice may violate the Civil Rights Act, which prohibits race-based hiring discrimination. Indeed, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) has said that although considering an applicant's criminal record may be acceptable on a case-by-case basis, an "absolute bar to employment" for such people is illegal.

Last year, plaintiffs brought at least five major civil rights lawsuits against large employers on the issue, but the National Employment Law Project wants the EEOC to enforce the law more vigorously. A spokeswoman for the agency did not immediately respond to a request for comment from The Lookout.

Still, the practice looks likely to grow only more common: Thanks to the tight labor market—there are currently five unemployed workers for every job opening—employers can be especially choosy about who they hire. Indeed, as we've reported, the EEOC is currently looking into another problem with similar roots: hiring discrimination against the unemployed.
 
In the UK it depends on the work and the misdemeanour's.

We have a system of criminal record bureau checks (CRB), enhanced or standard.

Certain jobs require a CRB and can refuse a job depending on what is on it for example jobs in the care sector working with vulnerable adults.
 
In the UK it depends on the work and the misdemeanour's.

We have a system of criminal record bureau checks (CRB), enhanced or standard.

Certain jobs require a CRB and can refuse a job depending on what is on it for example jobs in the care sector working with vulnerable adults.
What if you have a conviction that was overturned? As in, the courts found you didn't do the crime after all?

That's our problem here in the States.
 
"Because discriminating against those with criminal records disproportionately hurts African Americans, the practice may violate the Civil Rights Act, which prohibits race-based hiring discrimination."

Too freaking funny...

...the EEOC must also be advising the president on [illegal] war policy.
 
What if you have a conviction that was overturned? As in, the courts found you didn't do the crime after all?

That's our problem here in the States.

I don't know!

Back at work next week, will try and find out.
 
I think there are some jobs that need a criminal background check, even though the company itself is being run by crooks! ;) If I had a company that dealt with serious cash, or clients private info, I'd want to know that someone had been thoroughly checked out. Someone baggingg my groceries or folding shirts at the Gap? Yeah, don't care as much.
 
I think there are some jobs that need a criminal background check, even though the company itself is being run by crooks! ;) If I had a company that dealt with serious cash, or clients private info, I'd want to know that someone had been thoroughly checked out. Someone baggingg my groceries or folding shirts at the Gap? Yeah, don't care as much.

The US is a litigious society. Imagine a supermarket that hires an ex-con as a bagger. Then that ex-con commits a crime against a shopper (not in the store). Blamo. Lawsuit.

Businesses do not need the aggravation. They'll just hire workers without a record.
 
Then don't get convicted. Duh.
Damn, are you dense? The first guy in the story didn't even commit the crime. Wrongful convictions happen all the time. Is any of this getting through to you? Hello, is anyone in there?
 
People are arseholes and will discriminate against others on every kind of whim imaginable. I think in a perfect world it shouldn't effect his chances but realistically I think he's screwed.
 
What if you have a conviction that was overturned? As in, the courts found you didn't do the crime after all?

That's our problem here in the States.

I had a friend that had a sticky situation back several years ago that he was dropped by the state and the county he was in picked up the charges. He was not convicted, but still had to have his record expunged.
 
What if you have a conviction that was overturned? As in, the courts found you didn't do the crime after all?

That's our problem here in the States.

So let me get this straight. Said person has conviction overturned and doesn't immediately petition the court to have his record expunged?

What an idiot. He should have been all over that the second the appellate court threw it out.

Personal responsibility. Especially when dealing with things that could affect your employ-ability, etc.
 
You're a boss at a company or a boss of your own company....you have 5 candidates in front of you for your job opening,

Choose the wrong guy, you could get fired or suffer losses in your own company. Who do you choose?

Employers hold all the cards. Too freakin bad.

I tried to get hired in for a part time job at over 30 places last year. Not one called. I have a clean record and a goodly amount of retail experience.

It ain't just the guys with a spotty record.
 
Sucks, but due to the process here, it is up to the person wrongfully convicted and then exonerated to get their record expunged. It is a pain in the ass, much like the OP, but having a proven overturned conviction, it is almost certain to be expunged completely and totally.
 
So let me get this straight. Said person has conviction overturned and doesn't immediately petition the court to have his record expunged?

What an idiot. He should have been all over that the second the appellate court threw it out.

Personal responsibility. Especially when dealing with things that could affect your employ-ability, etc.
which part of 'developmentally disabled' do you not understand?
that means, in nice small words, that he's not as clever as you or i.
well...as i. not so sure about you.
they call it a disability for a reason.
 
sounds like a pretty stupid law for a country as great as the USofA

you should get off your ass and do something about it
 
which part of 'developmentally disabled' do you not understand?
that means, in nice small words, that he's not as clever as you or i.
well...as i. not so sure about you.
they call it a disability for a reason.

Lol, rimshot!
 
which part of 'developmentally disabled' do you not understand?
that means, in nice small words, that he's not as clever as you or i.
well...as i. not so sure about you.
they call it a disability for a reason.

Let this not lead to our first fight, my sexual maelstrom, but to have his conviction overturned, one would imagine that he had an attorney, yes? And this practitioner of lawyerly things would have obviously known this had to be done?

As for calling him out as an idiot, Mark is obviously feeling a pang of an old self esteem issue that he cannot quite get his mind around. Probably due to his own developmental problems, lack of maturity or just a common every day Oedipus complex.
 
Its my experience that employers will hire Satan if they require his skills, and they'll grab any bullshit excuse to fire employees they wanna be rid of.

Our sheriff goes overboard to eliminate every applicant but the cheap, inexperienced kiddies. So he demands contact info for every job youve had (to eliminate older applicants), a complete medical history (to eliminate benefit users), complete education records and a test to determine your real level of literacy, criminal chex, and an interview with a psychologist.

He harvested about the same number of bad apples.
 
Let this not lead to our first fight, my sexual maelstrom, but to have his conviction overturned, one would imagine that he had an attorney, yes? And this practitioner of lawyerly things would have obviously known this had to be done?

As for calling him out as an idiot, Mark is obviously feeling a pang of an old self esteem issue that he cannot quite get his mind around. Probably due to his own developmental problems, lack of maturity or just a common every day Oedipus complex.

yes, he was let down by the people who were supposed to be looking out for his best interests.
 
Again: EVEN if that conviction was overturned, employers don't want you.

Whoops.

Yet another reason we need laws to control their behavior.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelo...anted-sixty-five-million-need-not-apply/print

Help wanted — sixty-five million need not apply

By Zachary Roth
Wed Mar 23, 1:17 pm ET

In 2008, Johnny Magee, who is developmentally disabled, was laid off from his landscaping job in Livermore, California, thanks to government budget cuts. He applied for a new position as a garden center attendant at a nearby Lowe's Home Improvement store. Despite his prior experience, Magee wasn't hired. Why? A background check had turned up a 1999 misdemeanor conviction, stemming from an incident in which he unknowingly picked up a package for his uncle that contained drugs. Later that year, Magee's conviction was dismissed—but that was too late for him to get the job at Lowe's.

Sixty-five million Americans—or one in four adults—have a criminal record. But employers—including major companies like Bank of America, Omni Hotel, and Domino's Pizza—routinely post job ads on Craigslist that explicitly exclude such applicants, according to a new report conducted by the National Employment Law Center (NELP), a labor-affiliated advocacy group.

The practice appears in some cases to be against the law, and at a time of record long-term joblessness, advocates for the poor say it places yet another obstacle in front of people like Magee, who are working to get their life back on track. In addition, there's widespread agreement that helping those with criminal records to find stable employment is crucial for preventing recidivism and preventing future crime. Indeed, that's the reason that the government runs programs designed to make it easier for ex-offenders to find work.

Perhaps most important, effectively making more than one quarter of the American workforce unemployable may be an unsustainable policy for the economy as whole.

"Candidates must be able to pass: background check (no felonies or misdemeanors)," reads one ad placed by the bailed-out banking giant Bank of America. "Do not apply with any misdemeanors/felonies," warns another. And one study last year found that 92 percent of employers said they screen some or all applicants for criminal records.

Many employers use outside companies that specialize in background checks—a fast-growing industry—to help screen out applicants with criminal records. A 2009 investigation by the state of New York found that RadioShack, working with the background check firm ChoicePoint, created a system that asked applicants "Have you been convicted of a felony in the past 7 years?" and automatically rejected anyone who answered "yes."

Because discriminating against those with criminal records disproportionately hurts African Americans, the practice may violate the Civil Rights Act, which prohibits race-based hiring discrimination. Indeed, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) has said that although considering an applicant's criminal record may be acceptable on a case-by-case basis, an "absolute bar to employment" for such people is illegal.

Last year, plaintiffs brought at least five major civil rights lawsuits against large employers on the issue, but the National Employment Law Project wants the EEOC to enforce the law more vigorously. A spokeswoman for the agency did not immediately respond to a request for comment from The Lookout.

Still, the practice looks likely to grow only more common: Thanks to the tight labor market—there are currently five unemployed workers for every job opening—employers can be especially choosy about who they hire. Indeed, as we've reported, the EEOC is currently looking into another problem with similar roots: hiring discrimination against the unemployed.

A reversal of a conviction is not a declaration of innocence. In order to get such a finding, the guy needs to go to the prosecuting attorney's office and tell them that he is seeking a court declaration of innocence. If the D.A. has no objection (which generally they don't), the judge will declare the man innocent and prospective employers will not be put off by the negative entry on the man's record.

See, just as O.J. Simpson was responsible for killing two people, he was acquitted because the prosecution failed (in the minds of the jurors) to prove him guilty. That does not make him innocent. Therefore, his ejection from the various golf clubs, country clubs, etc. is not unreasonable. Obtaining an acquittal does not make one innocent. There is a method of establishing innocence -- which can easily be done without the aid of an attorney and even without paying any filing or court fees if you qualify, etc.

It isn't always about fairness -- sometimes it's about laziness or ignorance.
 
which part of 'developmentally disabled' do you not understand?
that means, in nice small words, that he's not as clever as you or i.
well...as i. not so sure about you.
they call it a disability for a reason.
I ain't an attorney but what I want to know is CAN you truly get something like that expunged from your record? Does it go completely away so it doesn't show up on your background check?

If it shows up at all, even as "expunged", employers can still discriminate.

I've never been a criminal or an attorney so I've scant idea how that works here, much less in Britain.
 
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