If women can't compete in Olympic shooting with men...

[renard_ruse]

... how the hell can they compete on an equal basis in combat?

They have separate shooting events in the Olympics for women. I never personally understood this, but they do.

So, if they can't even shoot as well as men on average to the point where they have to have separate shooting competitions, how can they compete when their lives are on the line in combat, which involves far more than just shooting?

I'm sorry, maybe I'm missing something here. I'm certainly no expert on these subjects so please excuse my ignorance if I'm missing something. Maybe someone can explain why there are separate shooting competitions for men and women but they should be fighting against each other in actual combat situations.

I would honestly like to know, please don't just call me ignorant since I haven't been in a war and have only gone target shooting a few dozen times in my life. It just seems like a valid question to ask.

 

[cebalrai]

... how the hell can they compete on an equal basis in combat?

They have separate shooting events in the Olympics for women. I never personally understood this, but they do.

So, if they can't even shoot as well as men on average to the point where they have to have separate shooting competitions, how can they compete when their lives are on the line in combat, which involves far more than just shooting?

I'm sorry, maybe I'm missing something here. I'm certainly no expert on these subjects so please excuse my ignorance if I'm missing something. Maybe someone can explain why there are separate shooting competitions for men and women but they should be fighting against each other in actual combat situations.

I would honestly like to know, please don't just call me ignorant since I haven't been in a war and have only gone target shooting a few dozen times in my life. It just seems like a valid question to ask.

Olympic-level markmanship isnt necessary for men or women in combat roles.

/thread

 

[RoryN]

I'm sorry, maybe I'm missing something here.

This should be the final line of every post you make.

 

[renard_ruse]

Olympic-level markmanship isnt necessary for men or women in combat roles.

That's your answer? Combat is easier than the Olympics? Can you elaborate a litte?

 

[Liar]

... how the hell can they compete on an equal basis in combat?

They have separate shooting events in the Olympics for women. I never personally understood this, but they do.

So, if they can't even shoot as well as men on average to the point where they have to have separate shooting competitions, how can they compete when their lives are on the line in combat, which involves far more than just shooting?

I'm sorry, maybe I'm missing something here. I'm certainly no expert on these subjects so please excuse my ignorance if I'm missing something. Maybe someone can explain why there are separate shooting competitions for men and women but they should be fighting against each other in actual combat situations.

I would honestly like to know, please don't just call me ignorant since I haven't been in a war and have only gone target shooting a few dozen times in my life. It just seems like a valid question to ask.

You assume that the reason they are separated in the shooting sports is because there's a difference in shooting proficiency.

"In 1992, Chinese 24-year-old competitor Zhang Shan rocked the Olympic shooting world by winning Gold in a mixed-gender Skeet shooting event, becoming the first woman ever to win a shooting event that included both men and women. It appears likely that she will enjoy this distinction for some time to come, due to a subsequent ruling by the International Shooting Union which barred women from shooting against men."

Edited to add: Source

What they based that ruling on, I have no idea. But it's apparent they can compete on even foot.

 

[mercury14]

... how the hell can they compete on an equal basis in combat?

Men and women in the military don't compete in combat. They're on the same side.

There are separate Olympic events because men and women are wired a bit differently when it comes to coordination and visual-spatial ability.

My marksmanship skills are terrible. Prior to my first deployment the instructor had to keep telling me to keep my eyes open when pulling the trigger. Pretty sure I wasn't better than the average woman. I got the minimum score necessary to pass!

 

[mercury14]

That's your answer? Combat is easier than the Olympics? Can you elaborate a litte?

Combat is nothing like Olympic marksmansip. Why would you ever compare these two things?

 

[coastal-boy]

... how the hell can they compete on an equal basis in combat?
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removal of excess testosterone always leads to greater common sense. Stop attempting to think with your small head.

 

[renard_ruse]

You assume that the reason they are separated in the shooting sports is because there's a difference in shooting proficiency.

"In 1992, Chinese 24-year-old competitor Zhang Shan rocked the Olympic shooting world by winning Gold in a mixed-gender Skeet shooting event, becoming the first woman ever to win a shooting event that included both men and women. It appears likely that she will enjoy this distinction for some time to come, due to a subsequent ruling by the International Shooting Union which barred women from shooting against men."

What they based that ruling on, I have no idea. But it's apparent they can compete on even foot.

No, in fact its not apparent. Prior to the introduction of women's shooting events men and women did compete in the same events. Women just never won anything so separate events were introduced.

I would imagine the bar from allowing them to compete in men's events NOW is because there is a general consensus that they would be at a disadvantage and there would be challenges to the separate women's events if they were allowed into men's events and not vice versa.

Nice try to imply there is sex discrimination against women in the current era. Fail.

 

[RoryN]

I'm starting to think RR was chained in a basement with nothing but a Bible until he was 27.

Then, his family got sick of him and said, "Here - this is called `the world'. Good luck."

 

[badbabysitter]

... how the hell can they compete on an equal basis in combat?

They have separate shooting events in the Olympics for women. I never personally understood this, but they do.

So, if they can't even shoot as well as men on average to the point where they have to have separate shooting competitions, how can they compete when their lives are on the line in combat, which involves far more than just shooting?

I'm sorry, maybe I'm missing something here. I'm certainly no expert on these subjects so please excuse my ignorance if I'm missing something. Maybe someone can explain why there are separate shooting competitions for men and women but they should be fighting against each other in actual combat situations.

I would honestly like to know, please don't just call me ignorant since I haven't been in a war and have only gone target shooting a few dozen times in my life. It just seems like a valid question to ask.

Despite that your claim that women being worse at shooting is based off complete ignorance..you should realize nearly 200 women in the military have been killed by hostiles in Iraq already

the idea of frontline combat is quickly becoming a thing of the best with the proliferation of insurgency fighting

studies already show that women have better spatial aptitude then men, this in of itself would actually show the reverse of your claim is true..as this enhanced spatial aptitude would actually INCREASE their ability to shoot well

seperate sporting events have nothing to do with women being inferior at events..I have yet to see a man being able to master the multitude of acrobatics that are held in Mixed gymnastics at Olympic events..the seperate events merely spur from a time women were not allowed to participate in the Olympics


your entire arguement is based on ignorance, so its kinda hard to forgive

 

[RoryN]

your entire existence is based on ignorance, so its kinda hard to forgive

Fixed your post.

 

[Liar]

No, in fact its not apparent. Prior to the introduction of women's shooting events men and women did compete in the same events. Women just never won anything so separate events were introduced.

Women rarely won anything since almost att active shooting sportmen were male. Zhang was pretty much a statistical outcome of that. By a long shot, most still are male.

I would imagine the bar from allowing them to compete in men's events NOW is because there is a general consensus that they would be at a disadvantage and there would be challenges to the separate women's events if they were allowed into men's events and not vice versa.

Nice try to imply there is sex discrimination against women in the current era. Fail.

Nice try to attribute implications to what I wrote.

Like I said I don't know why they did it. But my guess it was to give focus to the smaller number of female atheletes, to encourage more women to be interrested in the sport.

 

[Comshaw]

... how the hell can they compete on an equal basis in combat?

They have separate shooting events in the Olympics for women. I never personally understood this, but they do.

So, if they can't even shoot as well as men on average to the point where they have to have separate shooting competitions, how can they compete when their lives are on the line in combat, which involves far more than just shooting?

I'm sorry, maybe I'm missing something here. I'm certainly no expert on these subjects so please excuse my ignorance if I'm missing something. Maybe someone can explain why there are separate shooting competitions for men and women but they should be fighting against each other in actual combat situations.

I would honestly like to know, please don't just call me ignorant since I haven't been in a war and have only gone target shooting a few dozen times in my life. It just seems like a valid question to ask.

Are you absolutely certain the reason the Olympics have separate shooting competitions for men and women is because women can't compete with males in that area? Or is that your own bias you're reading into it?

Have you ever read any WWI history, specifically about the battle of Stalingrad or women snipers in the Russian army?

No?

Here, educate yourself, then tell me women can't shoot as well as men, tell me they shouldn't be in combat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU0DJGidzpI


Comshaw

 

[Liar]

Anyway, it's all irrelevant.

If women are allowed to "compete on an equal basis in combat" whatever the hell that means (I assume you mean compete with male soldiers for the "honor" of combat assignment.), it would mean being selected on equal basis and with the same requirments and demands as a male soldier for any position.

If that means that only a handful of women would cut the mustard, like Zhang in the Olympics setting, then so be it.

 

[Babalugats]

I'm starting to think RR was chained in a basement with nothing but a Bible until he was 27.

Then, his family got sick of him and said, "Here - this is called `the world'. Good luck."

.....

 

[torchthebitch]

Once we went over to 5.56mm my company shooting team included a woman. Prior to that the 7.62mm SLR was basically to cumbersome and the recoil too heavy for most of them. They had their own shooting competition using sub-calibre inserts.

Most women simply don't enjoy shooting the same way men do. Also they don't get the same coaching and therefore are not as confident. I found that if a woman was properly coached and confident with a rifle she was invariably in the mid to high part of the curve

 

[RoryN]

I still can't get over how stupid the premise of this thread is.

 

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[fgarvb1]

When we were all kids, many is the times I watched my sister shoot the head off of a water moccasin swimming across the pond a good forty and some times fifty years off with a model 1892 Winchester 25-20 lever action, open sights rifle.


She had it in her hands when she told her husband to get the fuck out you cheating bastard,years ago.

He didn't argue.

 

[Quoll]

At the Beijing Olympics there will be 302 (165 men’s, 127 women’s and 10 mixed) events in total consisting of 28 sports.

They're separate because that's how the Olympics works.

 

[pornstarwannabe]

I think RR picked the wrong event as an example. But we all know that the Olympics has separate events for men and women because women, in general, cannot compete with men since men have a physical advantage

We can all agree on men, in general, having a physical advantage.

We also know that today's US Military has different standards for men's boot camp vs women's boot camp (you can google this on your own).

So what does it all mean? Not all men can be Marines, Pilots, Seals, Special forces, etc. Seems that not all women can either. There should be one standard to measure all military personnel (i.e. keep gender out of the standards).

 

[philosophygirl]

I think RR picked the wrong event as an example. But we all know that the Olympics has separate events for men and women because women, in general, cannot compete with men since men have a physical advantage

We can all agree on men, in general, having a physical advantage.

We also know that today's US Military has different standards for men's boot camp vs women's boot camp (you can google this on your own).

So what does it all mean? Not all men can be Marines, Pilots, Seals, Special forces, etc. Seems that not all women can either. There should be one standard to measure all military personnel (i.e. keep gender out of the standards).

I can shoot a raccoon or possum in the rump at 20 paces with my super soaker. I would do the same to you if got on my porch and tried to steal my cat's chow. Or at least whack you with a broom.

Is that an olymic event? I'm sure I'd take home the gold.

 

[Songcatcher]

Just a few days ago 2 Japanese girls ski-jumped 141meters (14 yrs) and 139meters (16 yrs) off a Large Hill.

These jumps are competitive (winning, I might add) records in any men's events, Olympic or not.

 

[Songcatcher]

P.S.

Due to their lighter body weights, women's approach slope is higher and longer than men's. Balls.