If England Returns All Its Stolen Loot…

[iso36]

… what’s left?

The UK ‘s history and cultural fabric as a nation is largely, hell, nearly completely built on stolen goods.

If it’s all returned… are they still a nation?

 

[Rotadom]

… what’s left?

The UK ‘s history and cultural fabric as a nation is largely, hell, nearly completely built on stolen goods.

If it’s all returned… are they still a nation?

Lol You never give credit where its due.

John Oliver Shreds British Museum for ‘9 Times Out of 10’ Showcasing Stolen Artifacts (Video)​

https://www.thewrap.com/john-oliver-british-museum-stolen-artifacts-last-week-tonight-clip/

 

[oggbashan]

… what’s left?

The UK ‘s history and cultural fabric as a nation is largely, hell, nearly completely built on stolen goods.

If it’s all returned… are they still a nation?

When will the USA return everything to the Native Americans, including the stolen lands?

 

[iso36]

When will the USA return everything to the Native Americans, including the stolen lands?

I think they’d like you to go first.

 

[iso36]

Lol You never give credit where its due.

I credit my late father for teaching me to laugh at do-nothings like you.
ahahaha!

 

[oggbashan]

I think they’d like you to go first.

Reparations by the US would cost trillions. Sending museum exhibits back to the countries they came from (and American museums ought to follow) would cost a million or so and exact replicas could now be created.

I like the Cast Court at the Victoria and Albert Museum in London. Exact plaster-cast replicas of historic monuments can be seen closer than one can get to the originals e.g. Michelangelo's David, and Trajan's column.

The V and A's copy of Trajan's column is actually better than the original which has had over a century of exposure to aerial pollutants since the copy was made.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

lol, all his best ideas are someone else's.

Lol You never give credit where its due.

John Oliver Shreds British Museum for ‘9 Times Out of 10’ Showcasing Stolen Artifacts (Video)​

https://www.thewrap.com/john-oliver-british-museum-stolen-artifacts-last-week-tonight-clip/

 

[iso36]

Oh, I agree, it's a massive problem to fix.

Take the Nigerian bronzes, for example.

Nigeria wants them back, which makes perfect sense to me, because they were looted by British soldiers.

On the other hand, "Nigeria" as a Country was created and has a government as a colonial fiction by the Brits...there was no such thing as Nigeria until the Brits created it.

Egypt wants their mummies back. Who could blame them? Etc

It's the world's biggest game of "Finders Keepers versus Hey That's Mine"

 

[Rotadom]

I credit my late father for teaching me to laugh at do-nothings like you.
ahahaha!

Why would you say something like that in a thread where you literally did nothing? Masochism is the only correct answer.

 

[oggbashan]

American Museums have far more 'stolen' artefacts than museums in the UK.

 

[ll74]

Easy solution, England lets each country have a one to one swap of antiques. For example, a Nigerian artifact in the Museum of England will afford the Nigerian government and English artifact until such time that the artifact is returned. I'm sure Nigerians would appreciate having King Edward I's crown for viewing for a spell.

Using England as an example - this would apply to any museum.

 

[iso36]

American Museums have far more 'stolen' artefacts than museums in the UK.

Okay, if you say so. I don't see it as a competition.

I do think it's interesting how our collective thinking about "ancient treasures" is shifting more towards thinking about what happened as "looting".

 

[oggbashan]

Some UK museums have already returned items to their source countries.

Looting? The Elgin Marbles were obtained with a permit from the then rulers. If they had not been, they probably would not have survived since the building there were on had been badly damaged and was neglected.

The Benin Bronzes are more problematic. They were seized by British troops fighting a war.

American troops looted many museums and collections in Europe and most have just disappeared.

 

[iso36]

I think the reason England gets the most attention on the issue is its history as a colonial power...arguably, no nation has "gathered up" so much stuff from so many places.

And when you consider what a small country it is by size, population and its position in the world today....one can't help but wonder what "giving it all back" would do to its sense of self, of history.

 

[oggbashan]

I think the reason England gets the most attention on the issue is its history as a colonial power...arguably, no nation has "gathered up" so much stuff from so many places.

And when you consider what a small country it is by size, population and its position in the world today....one can't help but wonder what "giving it all back" would do to its sense of self, of history.

Do to England? Nothing.

I think the reason England gets the most attention on the issue is its history as a colonial power...arguably, no nation has "gathered up" so much stuff from so many places.

And when you consider what a small country it is by size, population and its position in the world today....one can't help but wonder what "giving it all back" would do to its sense of self, of history.

Do to England? Nothing. We could keep digital copies whether as files or as 3d Printed versions.

But all the world's museums are guilty. The Nazis looted the whole of Europe. The Russians and Americans looted that loot.

The Russians are still doing it. They emptied Kherson's museum and even took a saint's bones from a cathedral.

 

[JohnEngelman]

The British Empire has been the most enlightened empire in world history. The legacy of the British Empire has been democratic governments and well functioning economies.

 

[ll74]

The British Empire has been the most enlightened empire in world history. The legacy of the British Empire has been democratic governments and well functioning economies.

Good job slavery!

 

[iso36]

You say it would mean nothing to your fellow citizens....yet the lust to take and keep other people's stuff as trophies continues to this day around the world.

I don't think the two sentiments square with each other.

 

[oggbashan]

You say it would mean nothing to your fellow citizens....yet the lust to take and keep other people's stuff as trophies continues to this day around the world.

I don't think the two sentiments square with each other.

The vast majority of British citizens NEVER visit a Museum. American tourists do.

 

[oggbashan]

The majority of British Museums do not have any looted objects. They hold items of local interest such as archaeological and metal detecting finds, local history etc.

My local museum has NOTHING from abroad. The two Roman museums within a twenty-mile radius have Roman relics found in the UK and local to them. An Army museum, apart from exhibits of historic uniforms, medals etc, has some captured arms such as cannons, and flags.

The Rochester Guildhall Museum has the best UK collection of Japanese Samurai Armour. Almost all of that was presented by the Japanese Government as part of the celebrations of Richard Blackthorne, Gillingham pilot who went to Japan (featured in James Clavell's Shogun). A few were bought, legally, by British people resident in Japan.

 

[iso36]

The majority of British Museums do not have any looted objects. They hold items of local interest such as archaeological and metal detecting finds, local history etc.

My local museum has NOTHING from abroad. The two Roman museums within a twenty-mile radius have Roman relics found in the UK and local to them. An Army museum, apart from exhibits of historic uniforms, medals etc, has some captured arms such as cannons, and flags.

The Rochester Guildhall Museum has the best UK collection of Japanese Samurai Armour. Almost all of that was presented by the Japanese Government as part of the celebrations of Richard Blackthorne, Gillingham pilot who went to Japan (featured in James Clavell's Shogun). A few were bought, legally, by British people resident in Japan.

How much of the British Museum is looted?

The British Museum is home to around 8 million objects. The reality that many of these artefacts – around 99 percent of which are not placed on public display, but hoarded away in the institution's private archives – were forcibly taken has led to decades-long demands for their restitution.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/3abdd3/unfiltered-history-tour-ten-disputed-artefacts-british-museum

 

[icanhelp1]

How far back do we go? Perhaps Italy and the Roman Empire. The Muslims or the Vatican during the Holy wars.

 

[rainsol]

I am waiting for the Egyptians returning the pyramids .

 

[iso36]

I am waiting for the Egyptians returning the pyramids .

My relatives lent Jesus a chalice, bastard never did return it.

 

[the_single_gal_unconfidential]

I have a stolen artifact - I've got to get it back. karma ya know.
from Egypt, bought it in a gift shop.
was traveling thru Las Vegas, so I took it into that pawn stars pawn shop. they kicked me out.
the guy started yelling at me - do you have this license, this permit etc etc??? no no no.
I just bought it quickly because you know how it is in those shops - you buy one thing and they're not just happy about that - they keep laying stuff on you.
I'm not that dumb, when I got home, cleaned it off - I realized it was something I shouldn't have.
cleaning it off, I saw there was still some paint on it, so I did it more carefully.
I don't know how to get it back, no questions asked type thing.