Huge parental rights win.

[Politruk]

Question: If someone is trans and schizoid and they receive medication and therapy for their schizoid condition and then as a result of treatment they lose their 'trans' desires would you imprison the therapist?

No. But that never happens, does it? It certainly is never what happens in conversion therapy.

 

[Baztrachian]

No.

Then outlawing therapies which may cause someone to lose their trans ideations is wrong. Thank you.

 

[Politruk]

Then outlawing therapies which may cause someone to lose their trans ideations is wrong. Thank you.

We are not talking about that. We are talking about outlawing gender-affirming care.

 

[Rebel5soul]

23 other states have virtually the same law on the books with more states in the process of passing such a law.


"Gender Affirming Care." Yet another phrase being flushed into the cesspool of useless phrases.

 

[Politruk]

23 other states have virtually the same law on the books with more states in the process of passing such a law.


"Gender Affirming Care." Yet another phrase being flushed into the cesspool of useless phrases.

You do not know better than the psychologists who named it that. Nor than the psychologists who prescribe it.

 

[Bn2f]

 

[Baztrachian]

You do not know better than the psychologists who named it that. Nor than the psychologists who prescribe it.

Fortunately this country is not ruled by psychologists.

 

[Politruk]

Fortunately this country is not ruled by psychologists.

We do not need a government of scientists, but we do need a government that will always listen to them.

 

[Typo Fu Master]

I made it to page 12 and had to stop. Sorry folks, long post incoming.

How many minors have had trans surgery?

Does it matter if the parents are ok with it?

Qualify your own words.

What constitutes “abuse” in a case where a child has articulated such discomfort with their own body that they have been informed and still would rather go through extensive medical procedures than continue as they are?

I guess it sucks to be them until they're 18. There were things I wanted as a child. I didn't get them. Why is THIS any different. Kids are developing adults. We restrict them on MANY things because we know they're still developing. There are people that believe they aren't the gender they're born with. That number has increased significantly in recent years. Ok, fine. Let them make that choice when they're an adult.

Many conservatives want parents to have the power over their kids to send them to special therapies to change their sexual orientation.

Conversion therapy when done against a dependent’s will is obviously child abuse.

No. It's wrong but it's not abuse. I politely agree to disagree on this.

It's the same as with homosexuality: A lot of people seem to think of transgenderism as some kind of moral failing.

What?

In the event of an extremely rare mutilation of a child I am in absolute desire of the equally 'extremely rare' execution of the adults involved.

I politely agree to disagree. If you didn't kill someone, you don't deserve to die. But I have an 'Eye For An Eye' perspective.

Not according to the psychologists. They know better than you.

Nobody knows themselves better than themselves. A therapist needs input before being able to prescribe treatment.

Underpopulation is not a problem the human race has, or will have in your lifetime. Homosexuals and transgenders are part of a solution.

A solution to what?

I think folks finding comfort and place in non-binary gender are going to be a solution. We jump to talking about children who are suicidal about their body not being in line with the gender they feel inside.

Does a conservative / republican have a problem with non-binary people? If so, why?

I'm fine with people being who they are. Just wait until you're considered an adult.

Non binary is a fiction.

I think it's an explanation for people who are still trying to figure out who they are.

No. Were talking about predators ruining childrens lives.

Non binary is a lie.

I politely agree to disagree. That said, your point about predators is valid. I just think kids need time to develop. A parent with an agenda is a bad parent if they're trying to actively influence their child's identity as a person.

Yeah. Targeting.

You’re an idiot. Find me a parent who has a child and wants them to feel uncomfortable in their own body.

How were you abused as a child? Someone fucked you up, poor thing. Did your parents force you to be gay?

I have seen a video of a mother holding up a baby and declaring he was gay. She's not in the majority, but such people are out there.

Again. We are all individuals with a unique perspective that you may or may not agree with. You can be whoever you want to be. But until you're an adult, your parents have the final say. Is legislation restricting a parent's rights wrong? Fuck yeah it is. That means that some parents want things for THEIR CHILD that you may not like. Who, ultimately, has the right to decide what happens? Do you agree with every law passed? We all have a line in the sand that we won't cross but that line's Mileage May Vary.

 

[Bn2f]

I made it to page 12 and had to stop. Sorry folks, long post incoming.

Sorry but I stopped reading once you seemed to contradict yourself claiming parents can put their children through conversion therapy but only a child turning 18 can decide on their gender.
There’s no snark in this post. It’s a complicated topic - I just don’t think your particular stance was well written or thought out but I’m open to hearing a better clarification.

 

[Politruk]

What?

Homophobia often includes a subtext that homosexuals -- or at least gay men -- are degenerate hedonists who want to indulge in sex without taking on the responsibility of family life -- that is, a moral failing.

 

[Politruk]

A solution to what?

Overpopulation. The fewer breeders the better.

 

[YDB95]

Question: If someone is trans and schizoid and they receive medication and therapy for their schizoid condition and then as a result of treatment they lose their 'trans' desires would you imprison the therapist?

Absolutely no one is calling for that, outside your rather addled imagination.

 

[Typo Fu Master]

Sorry but I stopped reading once you seemed to contradict yourself claiming parents can put their children through conversion therapy but only a child turning 18 can decide on their gender.
There’s no snark in this post. It’s a complicated topic - I just don’t think your particular stance was well written or thought out but I’m open to hearing a better clarification.

Who gets the final say? I am supporting the parents' right to raise their child as they see fit and also supporting free will. I may or may not agree with their choice. At the age of majority, I'm allowed to make my own decisions. Do you want your child supporting Trump?

Homophobia often includes a subtext that homosexuals -- or at least gay men -- are degenerate hedonists who want to indulge in sex without taking on the responsibility of family life -- that is, a moral failing.

And also not indicative of most people.

Overpopulation. The fewer breeders the better.

I guess this one is up to speculation. If less is more, we're doomed.

 

[eric_erosfan]

You can register your child in Cali as male, female or “undecided” for their birth certificate.

I would imagine thats what rory’s parents selected.

Rent free.

 

[YDB95]

I am supporting the parents' right to raise their child as they see fit and also supporting free will.

That sounds wonderful in theory. In reality, the fact is that sometimes "the way they see fit" can only be called abuse.

 

[Bn2f]

Who gets the final say? I am supporting the parents' right to raise their child as they see fit and also supporting free will.

So I’m going to kindly ignore the bringing up of trump because he really has no bearing on the conversation and is a poor analogy. I’m not saying that I have the answer. I am willing to have a good and honest debate about the topic. I’m saying to you that I do not think that you see how free will legally gained at 18 and the right of a parent to raise their child can clash.

 

[ll74]

I’m a Family First man, and yes, I see how you and yours are working towards dismantling the family as the primary social unit in America.

I'm indifferent to a specific type of family. I havent done anything to diminish or discourage folks from being in one outside of understanding that couples don't always stay together.

So, when the pendulum swings back a little towards Family First, yes, I think it’s a good thing.

Awesome for you

 

[eric_erosfan]

It is hardly surprising to see after 20 pages that most of the American men here who want to see male minors becoming female minors ASAP ….have skipped over the science.

The truth is that turning little boys into little girls ( and vice versa) shows no demonstrable record of “success” and the subject is primarily a political football for “special interest groups” ( to give perverts like you a classy tarring with the brush of respectability)

Most who point this out, including SCOTUS, refer to the UK’s 2024 study, the Cass Review:

“England’s National Health Service report on the subject, published in April of 2024 and known as the Cass Review, concluded that there is

“no good evidence on the long-term outcomes of interventions to manage gender-related distress”

in trans minors, and that

“results of studies are exaggerated or misrepresented by people on all sides of the debate to support their viewpoint.”


Lol
In other words, your child tranny conversion fetish is no basis for insinuating yourselves between parents and their vulnerable children, you sad freaks.

Lol. Clinical deflection Pedro.