How many more terrorists is America going to unleash upon the world?

[p_p_man]

With the news that some of the Mombasa terrorists may have been Americans or at least travelling on American passports and the now historical evidence that the pilots on 11 September were trained in America and the suspicious departure of members of the Saud family just before the twin towers, how can America be sure that she hasn't become the gateway of terrorism to the world.

She is now paying the price of a history of complacency thinking she was invulnerable and allowing practically anyone from anywhere to settle within her shores.

If the terrorists are indeed finding the US an easy, soft option to use as a cover what are the Security Services doing about it?

There seems to be remarkably little news of arrests, with most of your concentration still appearing to be to pursue terrorism elsewhere.

I'd be happier if you started to clean up your own house with a bit more enthusiasm than appears at present...

Or are you so deeply ashamed of your complicity in all of these recent troubles you're trying to keep it hushed up.

Don't worry, we won't blame you, after all your new to all this, all we ask is that you get on with the job more swiftly than at present...

ppman

 

[metal_minx]

Shhh! Damn the last thing I want is Big Brother unleashed upon us. That's what is happening with this so-called Home Security Act. I'll be on the look out for the thought police.

 

[Texan]

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.


Or,

A mind is a terrible thing when wasted.

 

[miles]

pp's posts sound exactly like his warm beer belches.

What a drunken turd.

 

[Lancecastor]

I'd be happier if you started to clean up your own house with a bit more enthusiasm than appears at present...

The whole thing's a scam.

The escalation of Vietnam was a scam.

Scam artist blood cult Romans.

 

[roxanne69]

pp's posts sound exactly like his warm beer belches.

What a drunken turd.

miles what the heck are you doing up so late?

 

[islandman]

Brilliantly insightful. Rest assured you've taught me a valuable lesson this evening.

Keep up the good work.

 

[mig]

pp's posts sound exactly like his warm beer belches.

What a drunken turd.

That is so true.

Now answer the question.

 

[Oliver Clozoff]

PP, let me see if I understand. First, you found a way to bash America because it was cracking down too hard on its citizens in an attempt to apprehend would-be terrorists. Now you suggest that America's not doing nearly enough to prevent terrorism and thus is responsible for the current rash of terrorism.

huh?

When America intervenes in the affairs of other nations you accuse it of imperialism. When it chooses not to intervene, you call it isolationism. Either way, any action the US takes won't ever disconfirm your preconception that US foreign policy is misguided.

The only consistency I can discern in your posts on this BB is the enduring general theme of "America = bad".

Being a psychiatrist, I'm interested in the root of this pathological obsession you have. Were you beat up by American kids singing "Yankee Doodle Dandy" as a lad. Did your mum cheat on your dad with a dirty yankee?

What's the deal?

 

[p_p_man]

PP, let me see if I understand. First, you found a way to bash America because it was cracking down too hard on its citizens in an attempt to apprehend would-be terrorists.

Not me guv. You've got me in your false memory filing cabinet mixed up with someone else...


Now you suggest that America's not doing nearly enough to prevent terrorism and thus is responsible for the current rash of terrorism.

My observation is that America doesn't seem to be doing enough to track down terrorists (of any nationality) in her midst

huh?

Ignored but kept in because I like the expression.

When America intervenes in the affairs of other nations you accuse it of imperialism. When it chooses not to intervene, you call it isolationism. Either way, any action the US takes won't ever disconfirm your preconception that US foreign policy is misguided.

But nothing stays still, especially not in current affairs. Governments don't make careful plans and then follow them rigidly come hell or high water, they are dictated by the events around them changing on an hourly basis. Governments follow, they don't lead...

Likewise if at one moment I feel that America's course of action is a bad one I would say so, but if I feel that the same course of action carried out under different circumstances is a good one I would also say so...

Unlike many Right Wingers on this Board I look at each event in the light of the circumstances surrounding it.

The only consistency I can discern in your posts on this BB is the enduring general theme of "America = bad".

See my previous paragraph. I would say that my only consistency is my absolute dislike and distrust of George. I suppose I should also add my abolute disillusionment of the American voter giving him the support he obviously doesn't deserve.

Being a psychiatrist, I'm interested in the root of this pathological obsession you have. Were you beat up by American kids singing "Yankee Doodle Dandy" as a lad. Did your mum cheat on your dad with a dirty yankee?

I suppose if you're really into deep psychological reasons why I write like I do on my pet subject you could add to your files that I never got my cowboy outfit I was promised as a child...

What's the deal?

Also ignored but also kept in to remind you of why you wrote this post in the first place...

ppman

 

[SINthysist]

...There seems to be remarkably little news of arrests, with most of your concentration still appearing to be to pursue terrorism elsewhere.

I'd be happier if you started to clean up your own house with a bit more enthusiasm than appears at present...

Or are you so deeply ashamed of your complicity in all of these recent troubles you're trying to keep it hushed up.

Don't worry, we won't blame you, after all your new to all this, all we ask is that you get on with the job more swiftly than at present...

ppman

There has been many arrests and many more killings of top Al Qaeda officials, I guess you would like to just gloss over those. With the new homeland security and its intrusive invasion of privacy, they now kow they have to TRAVEL to pass information and plans (like would you MAIL anything? Could pick up your own anthrax!). The fact that they are back to attacking tiny targets in the uncontrolled areas of Africa rather than the US or Europe speaks volumes if one wishes to pay attention to geopolitical events and strategies...

Plus Bush appointed a non-friend of the Administration to investigate (thus giving you and Don and REDWAVE your one hope to see ALL your conspiracy theories [except the REAL one against Isreal and the US and eventually Europe] exposed as truth.) to add to the congressional investigations which could not find the malice you so hoped for, just the incompetence that one N. Bonaparte talked about in his famous quote.



Add to the fact that you, yourself say you are ding this just for propoganda purposes and have no intent on discussing or trying to determine the truth of ANY of your charges. I'd say it's time to resume painting...

 

[SINthysist]

Being a psychiatrist, I'm interested in the root of this pathological obsession you have. Were you beat up by American kids singing "Yankee Doodle Dandy" as a lad. Did your mum cheat on your dad with a dirty yankee?

What's the deal?

I had a History professor whose docteral dissertation was on the spanking of little boy's bottoms in the Elizabethean period...

Perhaps p_p_ was one of his researchers?

 

[Don K Dyck]

Re: Re: How many more terrorists is America going to unleash upon the world?

There has been many arrests and many more killings of top Al Qaeda officials, I guess you would like to just gloss over those. With the new homeland security and its intrusive invasion of privacy, they now kow they have to TRAVEL to pass information and plans (like would you MAIL anything? Could pick up your own anthrax!). The fact that they are back to attacking tiny targets in the uncontrolled areas of Africa rather than the US or Europe speaks volumes if one wishes to pay attention to geopolitical events and strategies...

Plus Bush appointed a non-friend of the Administration to investigate (thus giving you and Don and REDWAVE your one hope to see ALL your conspiracy theories [except the REAL one against Isreal and the US and eventually Europe] exposed as truth.) to add to the congressional investigations which could not find the malice you so hoped for, just the incompetence that one N. Bonaparte talked about in his famous quote.

Add to the fact that you, yourself say you are ding this just for propoganda purposes and have no intent on discussing or trying to determine the truth of ANY of your charges. I'd say it's time to resume painting...

Hey SIN . . . you have excelled yourself here . . . well done!!

Napoleon had any good ideas, the Napoleonic Law Code being one of the best and most enduring. Pity the Poms didn't copy it . . . (but then they would have had to admit that Europe was as good as them in at least one thing, and that would never do, would it?)

Hidtory repeating itself is always suspicious . . .

 

[SINthysist]

Louisianna still operates under Napoleonic Law...

The one curious counter-example to American/British jurisprudence.

(I need to use spell check, but I have a C&P about Kissinger that I am waiting to post in the right thread, so Im not using Word at the moment to help me sound lucent. A TOUGH task, indeed!)

 

[p_p_man]

Re: Re: How many more terrorists is America going to unleash upon the world?

There has been many arrests and many more killings of top Al Qaeda officials,

But not many of the terrorist in the street category I'll wager!

America hasn't had the time yet to infiltrate properly and go deep cover but in twelve months I would have expected more arrests of the 'nice man who lived next door' type of terrorist. The Security Services had already built up a substantial dossier on al Qaida last year but it seemed to have been used for bed time reading only...

The fact that the pilots of 9/11 were known and yet still allowed into the US showed the level of security America had then, and I would have hoped she would have tightened up by now...

But Mombasa seems to have proved otherwise...

ppman

 

[SINthysist]

Are you nuts!

The governments that are housing these loosers are doing everything they can to round them up and turn them over to us now that they see who is playing the winning hand. Those guys can turn on these people at any moment.

Example:


Blast Rips Through Govt. Offices in Yemen
NewsMax Wires
Friday, Nov. 29, 2002

SANAA, Yemen -- A powerful explosion ripped through the main government compound in the eastern Yemeni city of Maarab on Friday, causing damage but no casualties, security sources said.
The blast occurred soon after midnight when an explosive charge planted near the house of the main security official in the province of Maarab, Brig. Ali Nasser al Kawsi, went off.

The weekly al Sahwa, mouthpiece of the main Islamic opposition Yemeni Reform Party, reported in its Friday edition that "a strong explosion rocked the city and smoke was seen billowing over the well-guarded government compound which harbors the offices and houses of the main security officials in the province."

There was no immediate word on the sum of material damage, but the sources reported there were no injuries.

The incident is believed to be a response to the killing of the presumed leader of Osama bin Laden's al Qaida network in Yemen. Kaed Sinan al Harithy and five other suspected members of the group were traveling in Maarab Nov. 3 when a missile fired by an American Predator unmanned airplane destroyed the vehicle and killed its occupants.

The operation was carried out by the CIA. The Yemeni government acknowledged it had approved the operation, saying it lacked the resources itself to bring the men to justice for crimes that would carry the death penalty in Yemen.

The admission sparked controversy throughout the country, and lawyers in Sanaa have threatened to sue the government for breach of Yemen's constitution.

Threats of revenge for al Harithy's slaying were also voiced in a letter signed by a man called Abu Shehab al Kandahari al Yamani and published in the Yemeni media.

The letter vowed that Yemeni tribes would retaliate against the United States: "Yemen's youth will make the Americans pay a dear price for daring to violate the sanctity of our home (Yemen)," it said.

Maarab as well as neighboring Shabwa and al Jouf provinces, are the scene of a thorough search by Yemeni security forces for suspected al Qaida members who are believed to be hiding in the rugged mountainous regions.

Copyright 2002 by United Press International.






They want the terrorists gone too! It's just before, they had no one strong enough to back them up...

 

[p_p_man]

Are you nuts!

All very well but what about the terrorists in your midst (which if you hadn't noticed is the reason for this thread)?

Other countries will do their bit to catch terrorists but they don't want to be undermined by America not coming up to speed fast enough in her surveillance of known ones or the discovery of new ones living, working or studying in the US...

We shouldn't really be hearing news that the killers were either citizens of America or carrying US passports. It would be bad enough if they were found to be UK citizens or carrying UK passports but we're not the ones who took the lead over this 'war'...

Remember?

ppman

 

[SINthysist]

We do have terrorists. Eco-terrorists. Cells of Al-Qaeda, one or two of which have been busted... Abortion terrorists. But we get these people. Even when they hide in France.

We will continue to hunt them down, even to the point of McCarthyism because that is the nature of those slow to react to a clear and present danger. When you act late, you will over-correct every, single time.

We're winning.

Sorry.

 

[SINthysist]

But, the Pendulum will swing the other way because we are a free and peace-loving people...

 

[tulip2lipservice]

You have a warped way of thinking

P P but part of your opinions bare some truth.

As an American and a New Yorker that saw the Towers burn I am offended but I also know how this country has allowed so many people to immigrate here. That is what my country has been built upon. Give us your tired, your poor, etc. Witin the last several decades has it been done fairly I do not think so. Have we allowed IRA people within our country to do its bidding I assume we have, but I assume you have people lurking in your neck of the woods doing the same things.

Over the years I am assuming that my government has allowed terrorists in. I am also feel that several terrorists find their way in illegally. It is a vast country not like in UK. The boundaries of this country is vast. NY is a place that would be easy for a person to disappear if he or she truly wants to.

Yes, the immigration department needs to be firmer and more man power to do so. I believe that the government realizes this. Do not feel for one minute that the UK is safe either. When I visited your country I saw lots of foreigners there also. Then you have countrymen that follow the beliefs of a movement. To them they feel they are just. Not seeing the whole picture clearly. That 18/20 years old American, John????? is an example of that. I believe we all have been there at some point in our lives where we join a cause feeling we would make a difference.

I have skimmed through some of your posts and one I felt was unfair. You had wrote to the effect "that just cause the Twin Towers went down all of a sudden Americans expect the world to jump." Something along the lines like what about all the bombings that UK had to deal with in the past from terrorists and what not. You have a point but the devastation here was horrific. My sister-in-laws parents lived during WWII in England during the Blitz. From their mouths and beliefs they felt that the Twin Towers were far worse than being bombed everyday. This was an unexpected out of the blew attack that affected not only Americans but so many other cultures. It was mass destruction. The sky was filled with smoke for weeks. Death was in the air for a long time only in attempt to cover up the smell from burning tires.

Am I seeking sympathy no. Do I want justice yes. We are against a civilization that thinks differently than my society thinks. I am not talking about a geographical region or religion. I am talking of the extremist that are doing all of this for their cause. They do not approve of the way we live. By that I also mean the way people live in the UK.

I have no doubt that a lot of the money they received has some how been filtered through America. It could be through illegal drugs, oil, stores, stocks, insurance or what not. I also have no doubt that money has been filtered in so many other countries too. UK being one of them.

You have to stop thinking that it is a you thing. That Americans are sods simply looking for sympathy for a reason to get others on the band wagon. If I recall England tried to encourage us so many years before Pearl Harbor to send troops out. Hmmmm could I say well the UK and allies support the Japanese for the bombing of Pearl Harbor? That would be absurb.

I feel it is out of the everyday civilian's hands to decide upon our fate. It is in the hands of our governments now on what they will or will not do. My belief is that I do not want war. I have too many people I know that are serving. It will change our life style and has altered it since September 11th.

Terrorism will never fully be instinct. People will not always believe in the mast beliefs. Some will hold a grudge and want to seek revenge. We imbed these hatreds and beliefs into our youth.

OK enough of the rambling just some thoughts I needed to express. You do not have to agree. You are entitled to your opinions as well as I am with mine but I can see you have a major dislike towards us Yanks. Perhaps it is time you clean up your neck of the woods too.

Peace,
Tulip

 

[p_p_man]

Re: You have a warped way of thinking

P P but part of your opinions bare some truth.
Peace,
Tulip

I have no idea why you should be offended about an observation which seems only too apparant to me. New Yorker or not. A witness to the twin towers or not. And I can assure you that we all know the premise on which the Inited States was built.

America may well have let terrorists in but she has also without a doubt given birth to them. Terrorism in the UK in the shape of the IRA was not only considered a fight with an enemy across the Irish Sea but a fight also with an enemy born and bred on mainland UK. There are large areas, especially in London which are home to thousands of Irish. Do we know who are terrorists and who are not? Maybe not all but I would be happy to lay a bet that the majority are well known to our Security Services. But that's what fighting a 50 year old war is all about, getting to know your enemy.

America must also look to her own for the enemy, not just consider that only those who are foreign to your shores can be considered suspect. Where one John ???? exists so can thousands more.

You say the borders to your country are vast, I would like to argue that they're even vaster than you think if you take every street of every town into consideration. Who's to know where the terrorist lurks?

I wouldn't enter into a debate which relies on 'our tragedy is bigger and better than your tragedy' but I would reiterate that fifteen months after the twin towers I would have expected to have read more about arrests taking place on American soil.

Having heard very little in that direction I cannot help feeling that your Security Services are still not working at a 100% capacity.

As it has taken Bush fifteen months to set up an enquiry to investigate the mistakes made by the Security Services prior to 11 September he could have, at least, put pressure on them to produce some more results since that day.

But in their defence they cannot do it alone, it needs diligence and information from the public for them to do their job...

Are you keeping your eyes open for anything suspicious...

And if not, why not?

ppman

 

[teddybear4play]

Well, just off the top of my head I can think of the group that was arrested in Buffalo, New York, and also Jose Padilla.

Oh yeah, that shoe-bomber fellow, Richard Reid . . . what nationality was he?

TB4p

 

[killstorm2002]

Sorry pp_man, your point here has been unvalidated by the fact that they just released the 2 Americans, they announced they had NOTHING to do with it!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2530269.stm

Also, have you heard of the arrest of a cell in Buffalo, New York? Or the arrests in Seattle?

 

[Guest]

FU pp

 

[killstorm2002]

Also, what about Richard Reid? The Shoebomber, he was a British citizen carrying a British passport!