How do these numbers affect us?

[Loring2]

President Obama won a substantial majority in the last election but it seems that he has lost traction with the center which elected him. There is a high probability that if there were an election tomorrow, that he would lose. The numbers supplied by two Professors of Law may be indicative of the what happened.

This is to be expected.

I don't propose dialogue about this from a left/right perspective, each of you will determine that for yourself. However since these numbers are inarguable, they're simply facts, how will this affect your writing?

As these disparities in the country continue to grow, will you have to choose? What are your thoughts about the publishing world, given what I would call, it's "Hobson's choice" and I'll bet you're going to have to make it?

Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul , Minnesota , points out some interesting facts concerning last November's Presidential election. I am not familiar with Professor Professor Tyler's work which Proffessor Olson alludes to.

Number of States won by: Obama: 19 McCain: 29
Square miles of land won by: Obama: 580,000 McCain: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by:
Obama: 127 million McCain: 143 million

Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by:
Obama: 13.2 McCain: 2.1

Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory McCain won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country.

Obama territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in low income tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..."

Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.

"If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegal's and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA as we presently know it in fewer than five years". (This quote is from Professor Olson)

 

[sr71plt]

Yep, Obama would still win. So, eat your heart out.

 

[amicus]

Thanks, Loring and hello again...I heard on the news a few days ago that a city or county in North Carolina, I think, had finally put an end to 'bussing' students as a tool of integrating schools.

They could no longer afford the money to fuel the buses.

On a wider scale, this entire era, from the late sixties on, is about to come to a sad ending.

Environmentalism has increased the price of homes, land, fuel, energy, food and transportation, driving more people into poverty than every before. The, 'civil rights' equality drive, for women and minorities has destroyed the family, increased the racial divide and created a divisive environment across the board.

I think America had to suffer through this period, to illustrate by example the failure of the kind of philosophy and politics that arose in the sixties and has infected the entire nation from top to bottom.

I am not convinced the country will emerge from this darkness in a peaceful manner as the left continues to push their agenda and are not aware that a vast ground swell of resistance and resentment has arisen in the country.

People are looking, but, I think, have not found a way to reinstitute those basic American values that made this nation great.

We shall see....

Amicus

 

[TE999]

These statistics are illuminating, the conclusions not surprising and the implications frightening.

Just imagine the addition of 20 million illegal immigrants and 30 million previously uninsured persons added to the geometrically increasing numbers of people on Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and the alphabet soup of welfare programs and you have a voting bloc that's truly formidable.

Add the politically/socially left wing that reflexively votes for ABAR (Anybody But A Republican) and you have a fast track to one party domination of government unseen since FDR's death grip on the presidency during the Depression and WWII.

It will be interesting to see how these next years change America.

 

[bronzeage]

President Obama won a substantial majority in the last election but it seems that he has lost traction with the center which elected him. There is a high probability that if there were an election tomorrow, that he would lose. The numbers supplied by two Professors of Law may be indicative of the what happened.

This is to be expected.

I don't propose dialogue about this from a left/right perspective, each of you will determine that for yourself. However since these numbers are inarguable, they're simply facts, how will this affect your writing?

As these disparities in the country continue to grow, will you have to choose? What are your thoughts about the publishing world, given what I would call, it's "Hobson's choice" and I'll bet you're going to have to make it?

Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul , Minnesota , points out some interesting facts concerning last November's Presidential election. I am not familiar with Professor Professor Tyler's work which Proffessor Olson alludes to.

Number of States won by: Obama: 19 McCain: 29
Square miles of land won by: Obama: 580,000 McCain: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by:
Obama: 127 million McCain: 143 million

Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by:
Obama: 13.2 McCain: 2.1

Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory McCain won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country.

Obama territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in low income tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..."

Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.

"If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegal's and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA as we presently know it in fewer than five years". (This quote is from Professor Olson)

That Professor seems like a clever guy. Not one of those ivory tower, divorced from reality eggheads you hear so much about.

It's too bad he wasn't around to explain to all those low income people in tenements how much better life would be with a Republican President.

This is clearly a failure to communicate.

 

[amicus]

Post deleted...

 

[Huckleman2000]

Yet another urban legend accepted uncritically

According to snopes.com, this is recycled Right Wing bullshit from the 2000 election.

 

[Guest]

According to snopes.com, this is recycled Right Wing bullshit from the 2000 election.

Brava.

 

[Guest]

Ami, I must say I feel nothing but pity for you these days.

Oh, you still attack and insult.

You still play the conservative old white man card here on this forum while you pretend to be liberal elsewhere, as you keep reminding us.

You still enjoy writing lengthy posts that contain mostly opinion, very little fact, and you still claim debate skills you do own, and tout argument wins you do not earn.

But you seem more desperate now. As if somehow, if you could just convince a few more people that you were right, you could somehow reverse the course the United States has taken the past fifty years. Of course, your hopes were dashed when a person of color won the presidency, and with women gaining more and more positions of power - well, across the whole world, really.

But I pity you. What you want will never happen. It's gone the way of the dinosaurs. Gone. And good riddance.

Time for you to evolve.

 

[sr71plt]

Oh, is ami still posting here? Who cares?

 

[Loring2]

Pants on fire

According to snopes.com, this is recycled Right Wing bullshit from the 2000 election.

In the length of time I've been familiar with your crap, you've never done anything but lie and do it all in two lines or less. You should see a psychiatrist about your stunted development. Have you mother take you

 

[Guest]

Did you read snopes?

Jesus. Your post is word for fucking word from the year 2000.

Shame on you for trying to pass of these lies as current information.

 

[sr71plt]

Reality bites, doesn't it? We've already been through this. Gore won an election against Bush that he was robbed of. Lots of people got over it soon enough and life went on. You will have to try to get over Obama's real win--or just stew in your juice. Nobody cares much about a sore loser.

 

[amicus]

Ami, I must say I feel nothing but pity for you these days.

Oh, you still attack and insult.

You still play the conservative old white man card here on this forum while you pretend to be liberal elsewhere, as you keep reminding us.

You still enjoy writing lengthy posts that contain mostly opinion, very little fact, and you still claim debate skills you do own, and tout argument wins you do not earn.

But you seem more desperate now. As if somehow, if you could just convince a few more people that you were right, you could somehow reverse the course the United States has taken the past fifty years. Of course, your hopes were dashed when a person of color won the presidency, and with women gaining more and more positions of power - well, across the whole world, really.

But I pity you. What you want will never happen. It's gone the way of the dinosaurs. Gone. And good riddance.

Time for you to evolve.[/QUOTE]

~~~

Welcome back from your Litogether, I regret your problems...

You are one of the original 'true believers' on this forum since the time I arrived and I do not expect you to ever change.

However, I think you should be embarrased by your continuing style of character assassination and bias towards age and gender.

It is is plain and evident for everyone to see, have you no self respect? Or is this the only way you know to communicate?

You would make a fine religious fundamentalist, blind to reality, but you make a piss poor defender of left wing causes.

Amicus

 

[Loring2]

Good ...

That Professor seems like a clever guy. Not one of those ivory tower, divorced from reality eggheads you hear so much about.

It's too bad he wasn't around to explain to all those low income people in tenements how much better life would be with a Republican President.

This is clearly a failure to communicate.

....we agree by your comment. I didn't vote for either Obama or Mccain on the last round, I threw it away on Ron Paul.

Obama was out because I detest Preachers who answer one sentence questions with 5 minute diatribes, always; that tells me how good he is. I don't need a used car salesman as a President. It demeans the office and Mccain ... well now I was in the same business as he was in Vietnam except I didn't get shot down. I had done that trick earlier in Korea.

That aside about Mccain though, look ... his Daddy was an Admiral and unless I'm wrong on this his Grandpa had been an Admiral too (correct me if I'm wrong). What's wrong with this scenario?

As to what can be done about the poor people living in tenements? I don't know what to do, do you ... ? I hope you don't tell me now that sharing the wealth is the way ... a form of socialism or even total socialism. That is an absolute joke and amounts to a feel good solution. Do you propose to run their entire lives too? ... good luck.

I give personally what I can and if I'm forced to do that, it will stop I assure you.

Loring

 

[bronzeage]

In the length of time I've been familiar with your crap, you've never done anything but lie and do it all in two lines or less. You should see a psychiatrist about your stunted development. Have you mother take you

Is the article you quoted in your opening post accurate or is the article on Snopes incorrect?

Since the original dates to long before Obama was a candidate, it seems someone has altered the text and substituted Bush and Gore with McCain and Obama.

Is this true?

 

[Dragonlipz]

Wellll...a long drawn out one...at least three of us understand the nature of the Beast...

(This quote is from Professor Olson)

~~~

I thought it worth repeating and bolding a portion of Loring's Post....

After I stopped laughing:

This is the same old tired crap that was being posted a couple of years ago by SORE LOSERS....That's you in a nutshell, dude: SORE WHITEBOY LOSER!!!! Heavy on the LOSER!!! Get a new line and try to do something original.....
but then U gotta go wit watcha no....an U doan no mukh.....

 

[rgraham666]

According to snopes.com, this is recycled Right Wing bullshit from the 2000 election.

Most interesting; States that received more in federal funds than taxes paid tended to vote for Bush.

No good welfare bums.

 

[Huckleman2000]

In the length of time I've been familiar with your crap, you've never done anything but lie and do it all in two lines or less. You should see a psychiatrist about your stunted development. Have you mother take you

WTF, Dude? I googled "Hamline Joseph Olson" and the Snopes.com link was one of the first few listed. No lie. Try it yourself.

Don't post stuff that has been widely debunked as bullshit, and then freak out when you get called on it. It makes you look unhinged, and stupid besides.

I've seen plenty of psychiatrists, and psychologists too. I'm confident with my ability to understand reality - I recognized your OP as fishy-sounding, for example. A simple google search confirmed my suspicions, and I posted the results for anyone to see for themselves. Really simple.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

Not really.

 

[Dragonlipz]

Ami, I must say I feel nothing but pity for you these days.

Oh, you still attack and insult.

You still play the conservative old white man card here on this forum while you pretend to be liberal elsewhere, as you keep reminding us.

You still enjoy writing lengthy posts that contain mostly opinion, very little fact, and you still claim debate skills you do own, and tout argument wins you do not earn.

But you seem more desperate now. As if somehow, if you could just convince a few more people that you were right, you could somehow reverse the course the United States has taken the past fifty years. Of course, your hopes were dashed when a person of color won the presidency, and with women gaining more and more positions of power - well, across the whole world, really.

But I pity you. What you want will never happen. It's gone the way of the dinosaurs. Gone. And good riddance.

Time for you to evolve.[/QUOTE]

~~~

Welcome back from your Litogether, I regret your problems...

You are one of the original 'true believers' on this forum since the time I arrived and I do not expect you to ever change.

However, I think you should be embarrased by your continuing style of character assassination and bias towards age and gender.

It is is plain and evident for everyone to see, have you no self respect? Or is this the only way you know to communicate?

You would make a fine religious fundamentalist, blind to reality, but you make a piss poor defender of left wing causes.

Amicus

Quit whining, bitchboy....yore an old useless white fuck who's worn out his welcome in more than one forum as well as the broadcast medium that you claim to have worked in.....(I've talked to some folks who knew you back when you were the "Glenn Beck of the Sixties" - you weren't shit then either.........) So get over it.......

 

[amicus]

Upon searching, i found:



DISCLAIMER: There are a series of e-mails floating around the internet dealing with the 2008 Obama/McCain election and the 2000 Bush/Gore election, remarks of a Scottish philosopher named Alexander Tyler, suicide rates, or ANYTHING ELSE. I did not author any part of either email. I've been trying to kill this falacy for nearly 10 years. I didn't have any part of it in 2000 and I still have no part of the email in regards to the 2008 election. For details see: http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/tyler.asp.
Publications

Gun Control: Political Fears Trump Crime Control, 61 MAINE L. REV. 58 (2009)(with Clayton E. Cramer).
Lexis Westlaw HeinOnline (Hamline Users) HeinOnline

Amicus Brief on Behalf of Academics for the Second Amendment in Support of Respondent. D.C. v. Heller (07-279), before the United States Supreme Court (March 2008). PDF
What Did “Bear Arms” Mean in the Second Amendment?, 6 GEORGETOWN J. L. & PUB. POL’Y 511 (2008)(with Clayton E. Cramer).
Lexis PDF
Pistols, Crime, and Public Safety in Early America, 44 WILLAMETTE L. REV. 699 (2008)(with Clayton E. Cramer).
Lexis Westlaw HeinOnline (Hamline Users) HeinOnline PDF
The Minnesota Citizen's Personal Protection Act of 2003: History and Commentary, 25 HAMLINE J. PUB. L. & POL’Y 21 (2003).
Lexis Westlaw HeinOnline (Hamline Users) HeinOnline PDF
All the Way Down the Slippery Slope: Gun Prohibition in England and Some Lessons for Civil Liberties in America, 22 HAMLINE L. REV. 399 (1999) (with David B. Kopel).
Lexis Westlaw HeinOnline (Hamline Users) HeinOnline PDF
In re 101 California Street: A Legal and Economic Analysis of Strict Liability for the Manufacture and Sale of ‘Assault Weapons’, 8 STAN. L. & POL’Y REV. 41 (1997) (with Bruce H. Kobayashi).
Lexis Westlaw HeinOnline (Hamline Users) HeinOnline PDF
Preventing a Reign of Terror: Civil Liberties Implications for Terrorism Legislation, 21 OKLA. CITY U. L. REV. 247 (1996) (with David B. Kopel).
Lexis Westlaw HeinOnline (Hamline Users) HeinOnline PDF
FEDERAL TAXATION OF INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY TRANSFERS (2008)(first published 1986).
Representing Minority Shareholders in Close Corporations under Modern Business Corporations Acts, 64 WASH. U. L. Q. 507 (1986).
HeinOnline (Hamline Users) HeinOnline PDF
A Statutory Elixir for the Oppression Malady, 36 MERCER L. REV. 627 (1985); reprinted in 27 CORP. PRAC. COMMENTATOR 343 (1985).
HeinOnline (Hamline Users) HeinOnline PDF
Federal Income Taxation of Patent and Know-How Transfers, 28 ST. LOUIS U. L.J. 537 (1984).
HeinOnline (Hamline Users) HeinOnline PDF

~~~

Amicus

 

[sr71plt]

Is the article you quoted in your opening post accurate or is the article on Snopes incorrect?

Since the original dates to long before Obama was a candidate, it seems someone has altered the text and substituted Bush and Gore with McCain and Obama.

Is this true?

These reactionary news services (and these reactionary posters of fake political crap here on an erotica discussion board) have got to know that they are being sleazy. I wonder who these folks think they are fooling--or impressing (other than each other).

I like to try to remain objective about assessing what is going on--and it certainly brings contradictions into my beliefs, as I can't knee jerk just follow one neat line on all issues. But, boy the sleazy way the reactionary press and the reactionary posters here operate makes it really, really easy for me both to see through their fear-based lying and to decide how to vote. (For instance, I sort of liked McCain for president. He sure helped me decide what to do by taking Palin on his ticket.)

 

[xssve]

These statistics are illuminating, the conclusions not surprising and the implications frightening.

Just imagine the addition of 20 million illegal immigrants and 30 million previously uninsured persons added to the geometrically increasing numbers of people on Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and the alphabet soup of welfare programs and you have a voting bloc that's truly formidable.

Add the politically/socially left wing that reflexively votes for ABAR (Anybody But A Republican) and you have a fast track to one party domination of government unseen since FDR's death grip on the presidency during the Depression and WWII.

It will be interesting to see how these next years change America.

Really, just look at what happened to the Native Americans when they failed to do any thing about immigration.

 

[Guest]

Ami, I must say I feel nothing but pity for you these days.

Oh, you still attack and insult.

You still play the conservative old white man card here on this forum while you pretend to be liberal elsewhere, as you keep reminding us.

You still enjoy writing lengthy posts that contain mostly opinion, very little fact, and you still claim debate skills you do own, and tout argument wins you do not earn.

But you seem more desperate now. As if somehow, if you could just convince a few more people that you were right, you could somehow reverse the course the United States has taken the past fifty years. Of course, your hopes were dashed when a person of color won the presidency, and with women gaining more and more positions of power - well, across the whole world, really.

But I pity you. What you want will never happen. It's gone the way of the dinosaurs. Gone. And good riddance.

Time for you to evolve.[/QUOTE]

~~~

Welcome back from your Litogether, I regret your problems...

You are one of the original 'true believers' on this forum since the time I arrived and I do not expect you to ever change.

However, I think you should be embarrased by your continuing style of character assassination and bias towards age and gender.

It is is plain and evident for everyone to see, have you no self respect? Or is this the only way you know to communicate?

You would make a fine religious fundamentalist, blind to reality, but you make a piss poor defender of left wing causes.

Amicus

Nahhh, you really can't reverse it back to me, hon.

It's kind of funny to watch you try.

*Pats you on your pointed head*

You're so messed up.

 

[Huckleman2000]

These statistics are illuminating, the conclusions not surprising and the implications frightening.[...]

And they are complete bullshit.