"How Desperate Housewives Is Castrating Us All" (a bit of humor and a bit of truth)

[John Doe]

"It's just a TV show" is not a very good argument.

And neither is repeating what one says, but then he's not a very good arguer is he?

 

[landslider]

Stup, let us know if you manage to finish jr college.

 

[John Doe]

Stup, let us know if you manage to finish jr college.

why don't you try actually making a logical argument for once instead of falling back on insults when you know you're losing?

 

[landslider]

I'm not in an argument, kiddo.

And people do not win or lose arguments in the first place.

Could we analyze -- or excessively analyze -- any TV show ever made? Yep.

Should we?

 

[joeyshabadu]

Aha.

I'd much rather sing, "O Canada".

I see.. I'll take that as a yes.

Shabadu

 

[joeyshabadu]

Maybe

Basicly this is a fall out from femininsim , the greatist con trick ever played on the human race , the TV ,Radio and magazines are continually undermining men who have now been reduced to mere sperm doners , once the good lady has suckered and drawn in a man usually through having kids , she cries physical or verbal abuse or whatever else she dreams up to create a divorce to get that alimony payment and the home. Over 50 percent of the western world kids are not living with both parents which is completley appalling due to easy divorce and the family courts who are totaly in the womens favour.

So who has won , its the banks , the property companies and employers as the basic prinicipal of divide and rule works , keeping the genders apart and fighting each other this benifits big business and keeps wages down , ladies you have been sold the best con ever and shows like desparate housewives lead you all to believe us guys are just useless well we are not , and we have just as important role to play in our kids lives as you do. Think i am paranoid ? well just in my small circle of friends i know at least 9-10 guys who have been put through the divorce wringer , and i am still married (Just) ten years ago she started the usual abuse routine for no good reason to get my house and i threw her out , worked a treat
for me she dissapered for a week came back and has never tried it since , so guys dont put up with this bull**** fight for your rights , dont get pushed around and above all else dont let shows like Desparate Housewives rip you balls off.

You might be right. We might all be socialized by the television to live out the same nightmare over and over again, but I prefer to believe otherwise. What ever happened to the happy story where the man and woman loved each other lived out symbiotic relationships that lasted a lifetime? Was it just a hoax and in actuality just a woman's enslavement to a man for her whole life, now replaced by a man's enslavement to a woman? Self interest seems to rule mankind with an iron fist, but I know of one web site where people have better things to do with their slaves. I've got this feeling inside me that makes me want to just bury my head in the sand and scream "This can't be true!". Love is real dammit, but if it isnt' then I will make it real by my actions.

Shabadu

 

[joeyshabadu]

Acusations.

Yes but you don't really mind do you?

There are certainly some benefits to being reduced to a rutting sperm donor.

as for the rest of your post, she falsely accused you of abuse? Why would she do that? Don't get me wrong, us women can be harpies, but it is rare to make an accusation without any basis whatsoever.

The benefits you speak of remind me of a feminist backlash article I read in school. The wife leaves her husband, but she keeps the kids. Now she's a slave to her children and the husband is bound only to the child support. They visit on weekends. I know child support is expensive (I pay it), but when I was married my wife had my paycheck spent before I ever got it. Financially I'm much better off with a finite bill.

As far as abuse goes, it can be a matter of language. My ex acused me of 'verbal abuse' when we argued, but she spewed the same venom that I did. I called it being a bitch, she called it abuse. It's one of those words like 'stalker' and 'terrorist' that used to mean a psycho killer and now means someone who calls twice on the telephone and someone who hacks a porn server. The person who uses the word is just choosing to be the victim. As for false acusations, it must depend on the person. I do not believe my ex would do that, but I think I know someone who would. I agree with you though, most people don't play that game.

Shabadu

 

[phoenix1224]

Could we analyze -- or excessively analyze -- any TV show ever made? Yep.

Should we?

The article wasn't ANALYZING the show.

It was using the show (and humor) as an EXAMPLE to discuss how it has become overwhelmingly socially execptable to 'man-bash': "'This show is a sad extention of the feminist mentality that men are useless and don't deserve human regard,' says conservative talk radio host Dr. Laura Schlessinger. 'It's phsychological S&M, where you treat a man bad and he takes it. It's S&M without the whips.'"

And it was also using the show (and humor) as an EXAMPLE to discuss the dangers of losing our "caveman mojo": "'What I hear from men is that after all the sensitivity training, they actually find women are less interested in them,' says California phychologist Aaron Kipnis, author of 'What Women and Men Really Want'. 'This is a danger, and every guy knows it.'"

Because you've gotten so hung up on the article using the show as an EXAMPLE, you've missed the whole point of it.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

The article wasn't ANALYZING the show.

It was using the show (and humor) as an EXAMPLE to discuss how it has become overwhelmingly socially execptable to 'man-bash': "'This show is a sad extention of the feminist mentality that men are useless and don't deserve human regard,' says conservative talk radio host Dr. Laura Schlessinger. 'It's phsychological S&M, where you treat a man bad and he takes it. It's S&M without the whips.'"

And it was also using the show (and humor) as an EXAMPLE to discuss the dangers of losing our "caveman mojo": "'What I hear from men is that after all the sensitivity training, they actually find women are less interested in them,' says California phychologist Aaron Kipnis, author of 'What Women and Men Really Want'. 'This is a danger, and every guy knows it.'"

Because you've gotten so hung up on the article using the show as an EXAMPLE, you've missed the whole point of it.

Dr Laura is mad, MAD cool.

Who else in the media would take a battle axe to male bashing like that?

 

[landslider]

Look, the article is fine.

People have to write about something to meet deadlines and make money.

Of course, the show was being analyzed.

 

[John Doe]

I'm not in an argument, kiddo.

And people do not win or lose arguments in the first place.

Could we analyze -- or excessively analyze -- any TV show ever made? Yep.

Should we?

As a lawyer, you should know the difference between being in an argument and making an argument.

And resorting to insults still indicates that you're not proving your point very well, if that descriptions suits you.

 

[John Doe]

Look, the article is fine.

People have to write about something to meet deadlines and make money.

Of course, the show was being analyzed.

Okay, at first you were saying "it's just a TV show", implying we shouldn't waste our time discussing them or analyzing them. Now you're saying it's alright?

 

[landslider]

Stup, if you have an argument you want to mount, do so.

Otherwise, buzz off, little boy.

 

[John Doe]

Stup, if you have an argument you want to mount, do so.

Otherwise, buzz off, little boy.

I already have. If you don't respond to it, that's your choice.

And again with the insults.

 

[landslider]

When ya finish that GED, stop back and take another stab at argument-building.

Meanwhile, take a hike.

 

[John Doe]

When ya finish that GED, stop back and take another stab at argument-building.

Meanwhile, take a hike.

You seem to feel threatened for some reason.

And for someone who PMed me and whined about how I was telling them to post, you seem to be telling me to go away a lot.

 

[landslider]

LOL.

There's no person on earth sufficiently frail for you to "threaten."

 

[John Doe]

LOL.

There's no person on earth sufficiently frail for you to "threaten."

Oh gee, I'm crushed by that revelation. Truly.

 

[GirlMidnite]

Dr Laura is mad, MAD cool.

Who else in the media would take a battle axe to male bashing like that?

With women still at a disadvantage, where women still are not earning more than men, are still more the victims of rape and sexual exploitation universally, how do you balance the debate of male rights with the long-term debate of female rights?

I am all for macho men however...

 

[John Doe]

With women still at a disadvantage, where women still are not earning more than men, are still more the victims of rape and sexual exploitation universally, how do you balance the debate of male rights with the long-term debate of female rights?

I am all for macho men however...

Are you saying women should be MORE equal because they're more likely to be victims of violent crime or because they get paid less?

And as far as salary, companies quite often will go for women first just for that reason, so while you may be paid less, it's easier for you to get the job in the first place, not to mention certain ASSets at your disposal.

 

[phoenix1224]

With all due respect...

With women still at a disadvantage, where women still are not earning more than men, are still more the victims of rape and sexual exploitation universally, how do you balance the debate of male rights with the long-term debate of female rights?

Part of the point of the article (and a point that has been argued in this thread) is that, every time men try to point out/discuss THEIR problems, women spout the same old line: "I know you men have problems, but US WOMEN have to deal with _____ and _____ and _____, ect."

Us men KNOW what you women have to deal with (and it's not right)... But that is still no excuse to justify or dismiss what men go through... Or out-right bash them.

 

[GirlMidnite]

Are you saying women should be MORE equal because they're more likely to be victims of violent crime or because they get paid less?

And as far as salary, companies quite often will go for women first just for that reason, so while you may be paid less, it's easier for you to get the job in the first place, not to mention certain ASSets at your disposal.

No, I am just saying that though I believe men need rights, I think that it is still fair to use the media and the arts to debate the righteousness of masculinity over femininity. Though it is not redundant to debate the disempowerment of men, and their 'sissification' by the media, it needs to be placed in context of the reality of women NOT having achieved the same public rights as men.

I am not certain if women find it necessarily easier to get jobs, or to get all jobs. I do not know the facts and figures behind this, however, the prospect of maternity leave and the fright this gives employers, and the restriction of women from some promotion ladders means that we still have not gained the equal rights that men take for granted.

It would be good if men and women had the same rights, as I mentioned much earlier, both men and women would benefit from men being able to partake in domestic life, and for it to be acceptable for men to be perceived as nurturing figures that are capable of co-rearing a family.

"ASSets" at our disposal? Are you alluding to the faint possibility of sleeping our way to the top? I personally, have never heard of such a thing...

 

[GirlMidnite]

Part of the point of the article (and a point that has been argued in this thread) is that, every time men try to point out/discuss THEIR problems, women spout the same old line: "I know you men have problems, but US WOMEN have to deal with _____ and _____ and _____, ect."

Us men KNOW what you women have to deal with (and it's not right)... But that is still no excuse to justify or dismiss what men go through... Or out-right bash them.

I am not stating that, however, what some fail to do is distinguish a statement worthy of debate from an irrational criticism, eg, "Men are more prone to committing violent crimes" in comparison to "men are all lying cheating bastards." Sometimes a statement worthy of debate is deemed 'male bashing', not so, the reality is that men do suffer at the hands of women but more women suffer at the hands of men.

Personally, I do not think Desperate Housewives shows men as being demasculanised by women, on the contrary, I believe what we see is the complimentary and sometimes equally spiteful ways, men and women behave when they are cohabiting.

Things are changing, male anorexia is on the increase, men (when you look at actual suicide statistics) are more psychologically vulnerable, and more so, there is the rise of the phenomena I now call 'vengeful female boss.' (probably not a real phenomena, but oh well.) But women are still at a disadvantage in comparison to men, reading some comments on this thread, you would not think so.

 

[John Doe]

No, I am just saying that though I believe men need rights, I think that it is still fair to use the media and the arts to debate the righteousness of masculinity over femininity. Though it is not redundant to debate the disempowerment of men, and their 'sissification' by the media, it needs to be placed in context of the reality of women NOT having achieved the same public rights as men.

But by the same term, men do not have the same rights as women.

I however see no need to debate which is superior, masculinity or femininity.

I am not certain if women find it necessarily easier to get jobs, or to get all jobs. I do not know the facts and figures behind this, however, the prospect of maternity leave and the fright this gives employers, and the restriction of women from some promotion ladders means that we still have not gained the equal rights that men take for granted.

women ar stil highly sought after workers, and materniy leave is less of an issue, as more and more it's avaliable for fathers, as well as mothers.

I will not deny that women sometimes find it more difficult to be promoted, or that they cannot even be promoted in some directions, but it must also be noted that when women are in charge in aa work environment, the glass cieling for men in turn, is even lower than vice versa.

It would be good if men and women had the same rights, as I mentioned much earlier, both men and women would benefit from men being able to partake in domestic life, and for it to be acceptable for men to be perceived as nurturing figures that are capable of co-rearing a family.

"ASSets" at our disposal? Are you alluding to the faint possibility of sleeping our way to the top? I personally, have never heard of such a thing...

No, just shaking it a little. or even if you're completely innocent of that, your parts are still there.

 

[GirlMidnite]

But by the same term, men do not have the same rights as women.

Please clarify this statement?

I however see no need to debate which is superior, masculinity or femininity.

I am not debating which is more superior, as far as I am concerned, they are equal, men and women are different, but essentially, these differences balance out to an equality. I am debating the assumptions in law and policy, cross culturally, of gender supremacy.

women ar stil highly sought after workers, and materniy leave is less of an issue, as more and more it's avaliable for fathers, as well as mothers.

This is true, but a stage of 'completion' or total equality has still not been achieved, it possibly will be in 12-15 years.

No, just shaking it a little. or even if you're completely innocent of that, your parts are still there.

We are too sexy for our own good? Is this what you are saying? This is true.