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HazyDavy

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First post... so be gentle ;) I need some advice on how to handle a situation I have found myself in and have seen some great stuff on here so hope someone can help me out. This is a little long but it is complicated...

I have a female friend who I work with (or, more accurately for). I started working with her about a year ago and I liked her instantly: smart, funny, clever etc. But I din't think much of it because I'm a very average guy and I was more than content to have her as a friend. Without going into detail, it was not the kind of friendship where we saw each other very often; just every now and again as we worked in different areas of the building.

About 5 months ago, she came to work in the same place as me and we developed a really strong friendship. We talked a lot and found we shared a lot of common interests and have had similar problems in our personal lives (depression etc). By our own admission, we shared information that we hadn't told anyone else. When she had cause to cry because of something that happened at work, she was enormously appreciative of me taking the time to look after her and that no-one else put up with her when she broke down like that. But we were very much friends and, again, I was fine with that. She also talked alot about bad relationships in the past and how she finds it distressing that there didn't seem like there was any prospect of her getting a "good man". She has a number of confidence issues surrounding her appearance as she is not necessarily petit (but not big either) and I constantly told her she was crazy to doubt herself, i.e. "I think you're beautiful even if no-one else does". All genuinely sincere and true and no attempts at manouvering on my part. As I have said to her on numerous occasions, I really do just want her to be happy and have a smile on her face.

Anyway, at her suggestion we spent an evening at the cinema after work and a week later we went to a concert at my suggestion- like I said, we have a lot in common. I said I would get her the tickets and she could o with someone else but she said there was no-one she would rather go with. Again, still as friends and no suggestion that anything was going to happen but it started to become tough for me to suppress how strongly I felt about her. Ridiculously, we were having a drink before the concert and I realised how I felt when her hair caught on her eyelash and I brushed it back. It just hit me but I didn't do anything about it. Yeah, I know. Hopeless. But it was difficult: when you are friends with someone, particularly someone you work with, you have to be sure before doing anything to act on something like that because you don't want to mess up. And I wasn't too sure how she felt: the very personal nature of conversations we had made me think maybe; the fact she had once brushed her hand down my backside (albeit she had had a few drinks) made me think maybe; the fact she helped me with a few personal issues made me think maybe; the fact we exchanged buckets of txts virtually every day- sometimes up until 1am, made me think maybe; the fact that she had joked about someone suggested we should get married made me think maybe; the fact she invited me to her flat whenever (I've never been) made me think maybe; the fact she joked about being seen with a "nice young man" made me think maybe (I'm 26, she is 29 and most of her boyfriends have been a few years older than her). That's alot of maybes but it was very difficult to put it altogether!

Time ticks on a little bit and everything is good but I'm still thinking about all those maybes- I'm not very decisive:-( And then... I send her a txt at the weekend to see how she is and she said she is getting home from night before:-( Took a while to get it out of her but she had "spent the night" with a guy from work (after a drinks do I didn't attend) but said she felt distressed as she didn't think it would lead to anything. As you can imagine, that was very hard to hear, particularly when she began to say how it had been "really great"- Mr G would be impressed shall we say! I was genuinely pleased for her because I want her to be happy but it was difficult to hear particularly as she began to ask my opinion on what she should do next. She said they had been flirting for a while. I gave her some good advice but it was at that point, and can you imagine a more pathetic time to choose to say it, that I told her how I felt about her and that it was really difficult for me to hear that/give her advice for that reason.

The reaction surprised me. It was along the lines of "I bet you've been thinking about that for a long time", "I hadn't thought about it so don't expect an instantaneous answer", "it took me a year to answer someone once", and "I didn't think about so-and-so the other night". Now, I'm no expert but that didn't sound too promising to me and I emphasised why I had taken so long, i.e. her friendship is enormously important to me and I didn't know how she felt. I also didn't want her to interpret anything I had done for her in the past as insincere. In fairness, there and then I was in no doubt my feelings were unreciprocated and said didn't really expect a response; it was just something I felt I should say because it was unfair on both of us not to. Anyway, cards were on the table

Unfortunately, things have changed a little since then. We still spoke frequently at first, pretty much as before, but things have gone really downhill in the last month. I was quite keen to re-establish our friendship so suggested going to theatre one evening (another thing we have in common) but she made lots of excuses about how she couldn't go- one of which was she felt "unsocialable" at the moment, although I know she went to the pub quite a few times in that period.Not too sure whether she is still seeing this other guy; if she is then it is pretty casual but I think they may have spent a couple of nights together since the chat we had. But she hasn't said and I'm not about to ask. She was ill recently and wouldn't tell me what it was- a definite change from previous months when she had shared some of the problems she had been having. I sent her some flowers as I was worried about her but she didn't even acknowledge it. I also asked her whether I should try to get her some tickets for something I knew she wanted to go to- she reluctantly agreed and I got hold of them (at considerable expense to myself). I told her I was happy to get them for her as a gift but wouldn't be able to go myself (which had been the original intention but I just didn't want her to feel awkward about having to go with me) so she would be able to ask whoever she wanted to go (she could have said me but didn't!). We had a bit of an argument about me paying for the tickets as it was an affront to her independence; I said it was fine with me as I just wanted to do something nice for her that if she decided not to go then that was okay but it shouldn't be because I had got them for her. She didn't go.

And now we don't really speak at work and she won't respond to txts I have sent her. Have sent a txt or e-mail each of the previous three weekends but no response- and this from someone who previously had responded pretty much instantaneously in the past. Now nothing and I've just asking her how she is really and apologising if I've done something wrong. But just doesn't respond, although will sometimes acknowledge on Monday morning.

So what should I do? It seems I have lost her as a friend, which I find enormously upsetting, without even mentioning having her as anything more romantic. It seems categorical to me but I guess I'm being told not to contact her outside of work. Is there anyway I can rectify this? What have I done wrong? I'm very confused.

If you've read all of this then I applaud you :p It's a bit of a marathon but I'll try to be more succinct in the future.
 
Thats rough man.

It seems pretty clear that your friendship is over, at least in the form that it had before.

You need to back off, leave her alone except for work related stuff and go out and do other things, see other people. And absolutely don't try to give things to her anymore. I imagine that as much as anything else is making her pretty uncomfortable.

You need to just operate on the assumption that she's not going to want to see you outside of work anymore and move on with your life. If she changes her mind then you can always figure out what to do then. But waiting around for her is not going to work.
 
*hugs*

So what should I do? It seems I have lost her as a friend, which I find enormously upsetting, without even mentioning having her as anything more romantic. It seems categorical to me but I guess I'm being told not to contact her outside of work. Is there anyway I can rectify this? What have I done wrong? I'm very confused.

If you've read all of this then I applaud you :p It's a bit of a marathon but I'll try to be more succinct in the future.[/QUOTE]

Wow...well there are many ways to look at this I think.

1. Did it occur to you she is trying to protect you from herself?
Okay so this is weird but because my relationship with my hubby was first based on a friendship I think I can speak to this. I was very afraid to go down the deeper road with him because I felt if he really saw me, good bad and ugly he would be gone. I think with no threat of more than a friendship it is easier to spill your guts, the investment won't kill you if it doesn't work out. Once more emotions are in the picture it becomes hard to maintain that without fear of losing everything. We had a deep relationship to begin with similiar to what you speak about. Adding other layers like the comfort of the physical (long term physical comfort and love) took a long time. I was afriad to disappoint him in every way and in the begining did little things to push him away.


2. Is she really worth it or are you lost because now you have lost a friend?
I am the wrong person to ask but wouldn't a friend be a friend no matter what? So you have other emotions, that shouldn't kill everything. I would think it would be flattering. Although I do see how it could put stress on her to be careful of you and your feelings.

I could mull over this all day but I would say it's okay to say hi, keep in contact through email with just day to day stuff or I thought of you today etc. The key is making sure you are not crossing over into that stalker stage. If your emailing every day or it seems you are going overboard then that is not good. As they say portion control is good. I think as long as she senses you are still there for her, but not in a pushy way, eventually something, maybe just friendship will return. If she sets boundaries then follow them. If you respect her then show her that by listening to what she needs now. Every relationship has it's ups, and downs. If you stick with it and try to stay focused on the big picture perhaps that will help return you to good favor.

I wish you all the luck and love. It's not easy but I appreciate your willingness to share.
 
Thanks. Pretty much what I expected and how I intended to move on but just wanted a sanity check ;) Have to say though it is kind of strange to me how the things I was able to do as a friend previously I can't do now without it being seen as "stalking"- I hadn't really thought of it like that, rather just trying to get back to "normal". Is it unusual to get your friends flowers when their ill or get them stuff from time to time? Is one txt or e-mail a week too much? Wasn't a problem before and didn't think it was but take the point though- don't want a restraining order! Still not sure I've done much wrong to be honest but don't think it is within my capabilities to do anything to rectify it.
 
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You need to just ask her what went wrong!What happened!Why the sudden cold shoulder!

ask and you shall recieve!
May not be the answer your seeking but it will put to rest the confusion your feeling.
Just be blunt! Not in a txt message but in real time conversation.

It could be that she was looking for a mate.You were a "possible" but moved to slow with the signs she was giving. And she WAS giving signs to you!!! You just aren't old enough/experienced enough to get them!
Now she found her mate and your out of the picture because she is devoting her time to him!

Max






HazyDavy said:
Thanks. Pretty much what I expected and how I intended to move on but just wanted a sanity check ;) Have to say though it is kind of strange to me how the things I was able to do as a friend previously I can't do now without it being seen as "stalking"- I hadn't really thought of it like that, rather just trying to get back to "normal". Is it unusual to get your friends flowers when their ill or get them stuff from time to time? Is one txt or e-mail a week too much? Wasn't a problem before and didn't think it was but take the point though- don't want a restraining order! Still not sure I've done much wrong to be honest but don't think it is within my capabilities to do anything to rectify it.
 
HazyDavy said:
Thanks. Pretty much what I expected and how I intended to move on but just wanted a sanity check ;) Have to say though it is kind of strange to me how the things I was able to do as a friend previously I can't do now without it being seen as "stalking"- I hadn't really thought of it like that, rather just trying to get back to "normal". Is it unusual to get your friends flowers when their ill or get them stuff from time to time? Is one txt or e-mail a week too much? Wasn't a problem before and didn't think it was but take the point though- don't want a restraining order! Still not sure I've done much wrong to be honest but don't think it is within my capabilities to do anything to rectify it.

I wouldn't question her about it all in the slightest as that could be viewed as "storking" etc but I would let her knew you would like it to not affect you both in your work environment do it on paper and keep a copy for your own files, have a copy notorised and stick it in a safe deposit box.

The only other advice is always look outside your department if you want to avoid conflict that can be missconstrued in the business world.
 
Funnily enough I did say to her that one of the reasons I had been uneasy saying how I felt was precisley because we worked together. She said that wasn't an issue that concerned her too much :confused: And I agree about it always being a better idea to look outside of the work environment but I wasn't "looking".

However I'm not really focussing on kindling any romantic involvement- I would actually be pleased if she is seeing this other guy and he can make her happy because she deserves that; it is the fact that I've seemingly screwed up a very important friendship that is kicking me in the guts right now and that I may have caused her some embarrassment. And, yes, I have asked her outright but get told "not to worry". Difficult to reconcile those words with actions though! :confused: :confused: Could it really be seen as stalking if I ask her how she is outside of work every now and again?! I'm not asking her out on a date!! You got to remember this is the person who used to txt me 10-15 times a day, initiating conversations at 0630 on occasions! You've got me very worried now!
 
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HazyDavy said:
Funnily enough I did say to her that one of the reasons I had been uneasy saying how I felt was precisley because we worked together. She said that wasn't an issue that concerned her too much :confused: And I agree about it always being a better idea to look outside of the work environment but I wasn't "looking".

However I'm not really focussing on kindling any romantic involvement- I would actually be pleased if she is seeing this other guy and he can make her happy because she deserves that; it is the fact that I've seemingly screwed up a very important friendship that is kicking me in the guts right now and that I may have caused her some embarrassment. And, yes, I have asked her outright but get told "not to worry". Difficult to reconcile those words with actions though! :confused: :confused: Could it really be seen as stalking if I ask her how she is outside of work every now and again?! I'm not asking her out on a date!! You got to remember this is the person who used to txt me 10-15 times a day, initiating conversations at 0630 on occasions! You've got me very worried now!

You said she had depression issues? Maybe some of these issues are cropping up? Who knows. Take care of yourself first, then worry about this "friendship" If she is with the other guy it is my experience that friends get the second in line when it comes to attention. Also just because you and her might get along doesn't mean that your presence won't cause issues with the other guy. You wouldn't want to create problems with the new guy for her would you? You sound as though you wouldn't but really I think for some people (I try to fight this but it doesn't work) having friends of the opposite sex isn't acceptable to a SO. Okay yes I'm a grown woman but I really don't want my hubby to have woman friends. I don't care if they are married, ugly, stupid...anything.....I'm just not that good of a person. I personally couldn't handle it. SOOOOOOOOOOOoo maybe this other guy feels like that.
 
Maxell46 said:
You need to just ask her what went wrong!What happened!Why the sudden cold shoulder!

I think this is also good advice. Or if your going for a less threatening vibe how about having her read the post. Or is Lit to revealing of you?? I'm not all about confrontation but if you don't do something seems you will always wonder.
 
I'm definitely harmless and would not cause any problems- as I said, and to her too, her happiness has always been my main concern. She has been through a lot of very times and there is no way I would ever want to do anything to upset her. She did say recently that no-one had ever done stuff for her like I had and that it made her feel uncomfortable; I apologised for that but said it really wasn't anything I wouldn't do for any of my friends and that she had no reason to be uncomfortable.

Having listened to all the good advice, I think it is best if I just stop trying so hard to resume normality and just see what happens. If she initiates contact then great but if she doesn't then I will know I couldn't have done anymore and I'll just be thankful for the friendship we had.
 
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HazyDavy said:
I'm definitely harmless and would not cause any problems- as I said, and to her too, her happiness has always been my main concern. She has been through a lot of very times and there is no way I would ever want to do anything to upset her. She did say recently that no-one had ever done stuff for her like I had and that it made her feel uncomfortable; I apologised for that but said it really wasn't anything I wouldn't do for any of my friends and that she had no reason to be uncomfortable.

Having listened to all the good advice, I think it is best if I just stop trying so hard to resume normality and just see what happens. If she initiates contact then great but if she doesn't then I will know I couldn't have done anymore and I'll just be thankful for the friendship we had.


Sounds like the way to go! good luck :)
 
well, there are 2 possiblities, and probably 3 solutions.

1, She grew close to you, maybe a bit too close, and as you working under her, that can be considered wrong. a lot of times the job that you both work for will come down and say for you 2 to stop. and most of the time they will tell the more senior offical. Really, it is kind of hard to say, hey, we have been getting kind of close, and my boss said to stop going out with you so, yeah, im not.

2, She saw that you begain to like her. but her unexplained life, or secret life, would be too harsh for you to withstand. and instead of watching you fall for her then get hurt and eventualy reject her because of her lifes secrets she pushes you away to save you from her.

well, solutions.
1, Being blunt and asking straight. a simple, hey, hi, how you been? what ever happend to us? can answer a lot. and most of the time it isnt the answer you want to hear. so if you be blunt be ready to be hurt. but knowledge tends to hurt.

2, just stay a friend. acknowledge that she is gone and probably wont talk to you again, but still be friendly and value her friend ship. dont progress it for anything more than just friendship. don't isolate her and you. make it group activites or so on.

3, suck it up, breath, and deal. probably the most cold of the 3. if she doesn't want to talk to you then fine. its not like you have lost anything, and since the chance was never presented to progress it then there must of never been a chance. things happen, people change, and lives go on. and though we may hate the first two, we must always go on with the third.

of course there are thousands of choices of which you can choose. good luck in what you do.
 
Women eh. You just want to hit them over the head with a hammer sometimes. This is someone who'd rather have pointless, meaningless, dead end sex than have a relationship with someone special. The only thing you did wrong was fall in love.

As for what to do... well you've told her how you feel and she's totally cold shouldered you. That's it. Over. Don't ask her what you did wrong. Stop buying her things and the best thing to do would be to just take no notice of her, try to forget her. Don't pointedly ignore her, be civil but only talk to her if it's work related. Pretty soon you'll forget her and meet someone else.

And if she ever comes looking for a shoulder to cry on again, or tells you she's made a mistake or whatever, my advice would be to run like hell.
 
^^^

What he said.

And this is coming from a woman's point of view, too. You didn't do a damn thing wrong, except move a little too slow at the get-go (and for perfectly good reasons!) and hang on a little too long after she decided to drop you. :(

She's one of those who's claiming to be looking for a relationship but really isn't. It may be hard to believe at this point, but you'll be better off.
 
HazyDavy said:
She did say recently that no-one had ever done stuff for her like I had and that it made her feel uncomfortable; <snip>
Bingo! No one can be sure, but my guess is she found your behavior and feeling incongruent with her self-esteem. After all, she doesn't like herself, so why would anyone else like, or god forbid LOVE, and treat her so well? It's foreign and scary. Sure, she has this other guy, but she may be able to rationalize that with the thought that he wants/is with her for the sex, which is something she can grasp.

Having listened to all the good advice, I think it is best if I just stop trying so hard to resume normality and just see what happens. If she initiates contact then great but if she doesn't then I will know I couldn't have done anymore and I'll just be thankful for the friendship we had.
Good plan, Davy. :) She may come around, but regardless, you'd be best off moving on with your life. Apart from expressing your feelings at an inopportune moment (something we ALL do multiple times) and perhaps pursuing it a bit too long (from her perspective; I know you had the best intentions and were doing what most would think of as admirable), you've done nothing wrong. I know how much the loss of the friendship hurts, but as you and others have said, you deserve friends and loves who will appreciate and reciprocate your efforts. They're definitely out there, and I wish you the best of luck in connecting with them. :rose:
 
I agree with those who have said perhaps you moved a little slow at the beginning (although understandably with your work situation) and continued a bit longer after....but basically what I see is you took a chance expressing your feelings to a friend and found out they weren't reciprocated. Unfortunately with that situation, some times you win (and the two of you can find a way to continue your friendship) and some times you lose. You lost. Sad...but it's her call.
 
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Hell just froze over -- I'm being kind.

I'm sad to say that I have no decent advice to give to you, but I think you deserve a little support. I'm sorry that things like this has to happen, you were definitely in an odd position and did the same thing I would have done had I been in your shoes. Unfortunatelly, getting shunned for just expressing your feelings hurts. I don't think you deserved that, but she has her own reasons for doing so, whatever that may be. The best thing to do is probably just to straight out tell her you're here for her and let her know it, and then walk away and leave her to decide what she really wants to do. She may feel that she's being pushed into doing something so suddenly by other people that she's pushing them back away from her. It's not your fault. You acted honestly how you thought best at the moment.

But God knows that someone has definitely been in this situation before, so know that you're not alone in this. You seem like a great guy, though, Davy, and I hope that things work out for you and you're happy also in the end :) .
 
Firstly, stop sending her gifts and messages... She's obviously not into you and very uncomfortable with your overtures so, if you don't stop immediately, she may begin to view you as a stalker and get a restraining order.

Secondly, try your best to stop thinking about her so that you can get over this... Immerse yourself in your work, hobbies, recreational activities, etc.

Lastly, get out there and try to find a woman that you can fall for that will return your feelings for her.
 
phoenix1224 said:
Firstly, stop sending her gifts and messages... She's obviously not into you and very uncomfortable with your overtures so, if you don't stop immediately, she may begin to view you as a stalker and get a restraining order.

Secondly, try your best to stop thinking about her so that you can get over this... Immerse yourself in your work, hobbies, recreational activities, etc.

Lastly, get out there and try to find a woman that you can fall for that will return your feelings for her.

I agree completely but there is some misunderstanding here :eek: Everything was pretty much fine even after my confession but then, all of a sudden, I got the cold shoulder with no explanation. We had, in my mind anyway, continued to be friends but something then changed for no reason, i.e. we went from speaking a lot to not at all. And I wasn't doing anything after that I wasn't doing before- indeed, I was very keen to do the same things I did before or the help and support I had given her would have seemed insincere or disingenuous (which it absolutely wasn't).

As for sending gifts, I'm not sure it is a crime to send someone flowers when they are ill for over a week- I've done that for other female friends without it being a problem! And that was when we were still talking. And I asked her whether she wanted me to sort out the tickets (because I had the means to do so and she didn't- it wasn't just tickets to the cinema or something like that) and SHE AGREED (and I made clear that I had no interest in going with her so there was no reason to be uncomfortable). So, again, not exactly a crime and she could have said no. Once more, as she knows, it is not uncommon for me to do this kind of things for others- I am just a generous person. :) I do accept that I now need to stop sending her messages but I am still surprised that 3 unanswered messages in 3 weeks could be viewed so negatively, particularly as they have been of the "did you enjoy that concert you went to last night" variety- nothing a friend wouldn't ask a friend and we have known each other and gotten on very well for over a year! Admittedly, I can see that our friendship appears to be in the trash but it is not as though I've actually been told to **** off now is it?! So why wouldn't I try and speak to her!?
 
hazydavy quoth
so why wouldn't i try and speak to her!?
b/c she's made clear that she wants to have no interaction w/ you. period. you got the cold shoulder. there isn't much stronger a response you're realistically going to get. she just doesn't want to be mean/rude, i suspect. break off all contact, make her be the one to initiate any contact, i say.

this does 2 things, IMHO: 1) it establishes you as not being a backup--which let's face it, just isn't good for you, and 2) since she's made clear she isn't interested in continuing as you were, lets her set the tone. that tone may very well be deafening silence. since whatever her reasons for her reaction are more or less a mystery to you, i say forcing things is a strategy that will only lead to bad places for you.

JMHO.

ed
 
I think the stalker bit has been a little overemphasized or taken out of context, everyone. I don't think she views you as that at all, but what I was trying to say is that she just needs some space. I don't think it's right for you to have to feel like you should cut off communication with her, and you shouldn't feel that way. She's not being very fair to you. If you're still looking for my crappy advice, just talk to her. Make sure you get a chance to be with her alone, preferably in a public place such as a club, park, or bar. Wherever she would feel comfortable. But make sure you have a chance at some amount of privacy. If you haven't already done so, directly ask her why she has been avoiding you and if she's okay. Just try to talk it out with her. You'll never know if you don't try. It might take a little to get her to go out with you, so just tell her you just want to talk and maybe pick a familiar place. A friendship isn't a good thing to lose and you should do what you think is the best advice, since you know the situation best.
 
silverwhisper said:
b/c she's made clear that she wants to have no interaction w/ you. period. you got the cold shoulder. there isn't much stronger a response you're realistically going to get. she just doesn't want to be mean/rude, i suspect. break off all contact, make her be the one to initiate any contact, i say.

Yep, I agree! But the cold shoulder is only now apparent surely!? I agree that the lack of response now seems like a very strong response but it didn't necessarily seem that way immediately because I had no reason to think otherwise. Remember, you're getting this with the benefit of a hell of a lot more hindsight and perspective than I have had. And I reiterate that if you had lost a year-long friendship you had placed a lot of trust in then you might be a little troubled by it all and feel slightly off-kilter.
 
EveningBreeze said:
I think the stalker bit has been a little overemphasized or taken out of context, everyone. I don't think she views you as that at all, but what I was trying to say is that she just needs some space. I don't think it's right for you to have to feel like you should cut off communication with her, and you shouldn't feel that way. She's not being very fair to you. If you're still looking for my crappy advice, just talk to her. QUOTE]

Thanks. There seems to be two schools of thought emerging here- I've either been hard done by or I'm a stalker! It's not easy! And I think your advice is very, very sound by the way so don't doubt yourself;) I've resolved to just leave it now, which will be much easier when I move jobs in about a month, and leave it to her to think through (if she wants to). Who knows whether I'm suppossed to send her a Christmas card or not though?! :confused: Guess I wait to see if I get one?! Can always try initiating contact again in June by sending a card when its her birthday :rolleyes: Might have sorted herself out by then... but I'm NOT depending on it.
 
presumably, you already know my answer to those questions. :>

your handle is hazydavy? just another spirit in the night? :>

ed
 
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