Harry Reid and Barack Obama want a government shutdown.

[Eastcoast1956]

Sustrin of Indiana was on the news complaining of the president disrespecting what they want. Just sounded like a gang member saying you dised me so I am going to stick a knife in you.

 

[phrodeau]

Dear stop pissing on my foot. The GOP isn't obligated to kiss your ass. You want what you want, and the GOP has its constituents who want something different. Tough shitsky.

The GOP is far from a majority in the US. They're bullies with money bags. Most of them are poor leaders and don't deserve another term in any office.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I'm skimming today and I just shortened that to kiss ass shit.

I'm ready for civil war with you guys. I think its time for blood to flow across America. We need about 5 years of slaughter and mayhem.

 

[JohnnySavage]

I'm ready for civil war with you guys. I think its time for blood to flow across America. We need about 5 years of slaughter and mayhem.

Go get 'em Jim!

http://www.aplaceformom.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/senior-scooter.jpg

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

I'm ready for civil war with you guys. I think its time for blood to flow across America. We need about 5 years of slaughter and mayhem.

Bwahahahahaha!

Civil war? Seriously?
Annie get yer gun!

 

[landslider2000]

But Tea Party folks are not children. They are American citizens with a perfect right to express their views.

What this demonstrates is that America is not a dictatorship. The consent of the governed is important today and will remain so regardless what transpires re Congress and Obama.

When Scott Brown got in, the Senate lost its spare vote. So Obamacare was rammed through on the pretense it was mere budgetary reconciliation. It wasn't. Per contra, it affected 1/6 of the economy.

Not one single person in America believed Obamacare was a tax. Obama angrily denied it was a tax. The individual mandate was not in the revenue portion of Obamacare. The morning after Roberts' ridiculous ruling, the White House reiterated that Roberts was wrong -- it was not a tax.

Obamacare affects the entire country. If anybody is behaving childishly, it is Democrats frothing at the mouth in their eagerness to impose their will.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Bwahahahahaha!

Civil war? Seriously?
Annie get yer gun!

We done it before over less. 690K dead

 

[PoppingTom]

..... children..... are American citizens with a perfect right to express their views.

Nothing wrong with that.

 

[RobDownSouth]

But Tea Party folks are not children. They are American citizens with a perfect right to express their views.

What this demonstrates is that America is not a dictatorship. The consent of the governed is important today and will remain so regardless what transpires re Congress and Obama.

When Scott Brown got in, the Senate lost its spare vote. So Obamacare was rammed through on the pretense it was mere budgetary reconciliation. It wasn't. Per contra, it affected 1/6 of the economy.

Not one single person in America believed Obamacare was a tax. Obama angrily denied it was a tax. The individual mandate was not in the revenue portion of Obamacare. The morning after Roberts' ridiculous ruling, the White House reiterated that Roberts was wrong -- it was not a tax.

Obamacare affects the entire country. If anybody is behaving childishly, it is Democrats frothing at the mouth in their eagerness to impose their will.

The Tea Party caucus are not children.
However, they act like children.
Spoiled, unruly children given to tantrums.

Now, let's review the history of the ACA legislation once again, since you seem to be unable or unwilling to accept four key milestones:

1. The ACA was passed by a majority of the United States House of Representatives.
2. The ACA was passed by a majority of the United States Senate.
3. The ACA was signed into law by a lawfully elected President.
4. The ACA was challenged in court and declared constitutional by a majority of the United States Supreme Court.

How many "do-overs" do you require before you admit defeat?

Simply put, the ACA is the law of the land, and you lack the votes to repeal it.

Now, go ahead and declare the ACA to be the moral equivalent of slavery, as you did earlier. Don't forget to deny you ever did so afterwards!!

 

[Adre]

Cleveland wants another playoff game. They're leaving MLB and joining the NBA if they don't get one.

 

[RobDownSouth]

But this impasse was clearly manufactured and the Republicans felt arrogantly assured enough to say this was their entire goal. President Obama should have launched a counter campaign. He should have used that bully pulpit to bully back. Not as he has, with "poor me, mean them" but to genuinely get shit done.

This passive resistance and inability to use strategy, but to let stuff just happen without controlling the game, is my problem.

It's like Al Gore saying he's not going to contest the election results, he'll just let George Bush win for the "good of the country."

FUCKING CONTEST IT. And contest it so well that you win. This is not an unpredictable problem.

But look! Nest of vipers! Teeth! Poison! What could I possibly do against that! Waily, waily, waily!

I know. THINK OF SOMETHING.

I admit "Revenge Politics" has an enormous appeal. It's simply not practical in the "real world". I realize failing to hold people responsible for their miscreant behavior simply encourages more of the same (see also: Miles).

In some respects, you're playing into the conservative game: Murica loves to define arguments as a conflict between "good guys" and "bad guys". This is why, for example, Israel literally gets away with murder in the Middle East, they've convinced America that they are the "good guys", which allows them to basically inflict genocide on the Palestinian population and use Palestinian boys as human shields.

But I digress.

In addition to near-constant attempts to shift blame and avoid responsibility for their actions, keep in mind that one of the "core components" of conservatism is a persecution complex. Conservatives have honed "playing the victim card" to an exact science, largely due to fundamentalist Christians having decades of experience in doing so. They use situational outrage to gin up support, inevitably attempting to portray themselves as victim-y little Davids against monolithic Gummint Goliaths.

In that respect, President Obama is doing a masterful job. He's doing a rope-a-dope technique, refusing to take symbolic steps that would give Congressional Republicans and Fox News a target.

Denied a target, Fox and the Republicans are lashing out indiscriminately, for lack of a clear direction. Make no mistake, America is noticing this. People are becoming more and more aware that Republicans are simply complaining for the sake of complaining (aka "Vetteman mode").

I think President Obama is playing a long game here, he has his eyes focused on the big picture.

In any event, time will tell, right?

 

[landslider2000]

Such are the wages of political sin.

Laws are altered every day. And it is the duty of every Congress to decide funding.

Many laws are not funded (e.g., border fence), or submaximally funded.

America is not -- at least yet -- a dictatorship. The consent of the governed is important today and will remain so regardless what transpires re Congress and Obama.

When Brown got in, the Senate lost its spare vote. Obamacare was rammed through on the pretense it was mere budgetary reconciliation. It wasn't. Per contra, it affected 1/6 of the economy.

Not a single person in America believed Obamacare was a tax. Obama angrily denied it was a tax. The individual mandate was not in the revenue portion of Obamacare. The morning after Roberts' ridiculous ruling, the White House reiterated that Roberts was wrong -- it was not a tax.

Obamacare affects the entire country. If anybody is behaving childishly, it is Democrats frothing at the mouth in their eagerness to impose their will.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I can do this all day too, Ranger!

Such are the wages of political sin. Laws are altered every day. And it is the duty of every Congress to decide unding.
Many laws are not funded (e.g., border fence), or submaximally funded.
America is not -- at least yet -- a dictatorship. The consent of the governed is important today and will remain so regardless what transpires re Congress and Obama. When Brown got in, the Senate lost its spare vote. Obamacare was rammed through on the pretense it was mere budgetary reconciliation. It wasn't. Per contra, it affected 1/6 of the economy.Not a single person in America believed Obamacare was a tax. Obama angrily denied it was a tax. The individual mandate was not in the revenue portion of Obamacare. The morning after Roberts' ridiculous ruling, the White House reiterated that Roberts was wrong -- it was not a tax.Obamacare affects the entire country. If anybody is behaving childishly, it is Democrats frothing at the mouth in their eagerness to impose their will.

Now, let's review the history of the ACA legislation once again, since you seem to be unable or unwilling to accept four key milestones:

1. The ACA was passed by a majority of the United States House of Representatives.
2. The ACA was passed by a majority of the United States Senate.
3. The ACA was signed into law by a lawfully elected President.
4. The ACA was challenged in court and declared constitutional by a majority of the United States Supreme Court.

How many "do-overs" do you require before you admit defeat?

Simply put, the ACA is the law of the land, and you lack the votes to repeal it.

Now, go ahead and declare the ACA to be the moral equivalent of slavery, as you did earlier. Don't forget to deny you ever did so afterwards!!

 

[jeninflorida]

The great cuckold, obana wants the dow to tank. The regime wants to end the freemarket and takr away our freedom

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Who let the welfare queen "Jen" out of its padded cell?

 

[landslider2000]

One of the most interesting talks I ever heard was Carter talking about the moral equivalent of war.

Such rhetoric is not something in which I indulge, but doubtless others have.

 

[PoppingTom]

Obamacare affects the entire country. If anybody is behaving childishly, it is Democrats frothing at the mouth in their eagerness to impose their will.

What's so childish by doing what he was been elected for?

 

[PoppingTom]

Who let the welfare queen "Jen" out of its padded cell?

C'mon, when she begins to bitch about him, Obama must have done something right.

 

[RobDownSouth]

One of the most interesting talks I ever heard was Carter talking about the moral equivalent of war.

Such rhetoric is not something in which I indulge, but doubtless others have.

You opined yesterday that Obamacare was the moral equivalent of slavery.

 

[landslider2000]

Doubtless some other person did. Not me.

In any event, it is a common mistake to assume that political discussion is Person A versus Person B. It isn't.

Trolls try to disrupt threads because they lack the education and experience to discuss issues.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Trolls try to disrupt threads because they lack the education and experience to discuss issues.

They also tend to cut-n-paste the same drivel over and over again, sometimes in the same thread, as if repetition somehow inferred legitimacy.

It shows a paucity of original thinking.

 

[landslider2000]

Very, very few people have original thoughts. The pre-Socratics delved into atomism, for example.

If trolls had enough education and experience, they would discuss the issues in vigorous, but polite, fashion.

 

[phrodeau]

I'm glad we've cleared up that the US isn't a dictatorship. Next time someone accuses Obama of acting like Hitler, we can point to this thread.

 

[FistedSister]

Go get 'em Jim!

http://www.aplaceformom.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/senior-scooter.jpg

So how did that last Civil War work out for you? The South will rise again? You must remember. You do your reenactments every weekend where you lose, right?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Very, very few people have original thoughts. The pre-Socratics delved into atomism, for example.

If trolls had enough education and experience, they would discuss the issues in vigorous, but polite, fashion.

Excellent rationalization.

Completely justifies cutting-and-pasting the same response over and over in a thread.

Kudos for explaining this.

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