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Canadian court lifts ban on ‘swingers’ clubs

Group sex among consenting adults not a threat to society, it says

Reuters
Updated: 2:33 p.m. ET Dec. 21, 2005



OTTAWA - Group sex among consenting adults is neither prostitution nor a threat to society, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled on Wednesday as it lifted a ban on so-called “swingers” clubs.

In a ruling that radically changes the way courts determine what poses a threat to the population, the top court threw out the conviction of a Montreal man who ran a club where members could have group sex in a private room behind locked doors.

“Consensual conduct behind code-locked doors can hardly be supposed to jeopardize a society as vigorous and tolerant as Canadian society,” said the opinion of the seven-to-two majority, written by Chief Justice Beverley McLachlin.

The decision does not affect laws against prostitution because no money changed hands among the adults having sex.

‘Bawdy house’ proprietor's appeal
The court was reviewing an appeal by Jean-Paul Labaye, who ran the L’Orage (Thunderstorm) club. He had been convicted in 1999 of running a “bawdy house” — defined as a place where prostitution or acts of public indecency took place.

Labaye — who is still running L’Orage despite his earlier conviction — said he was relieved, and would now go ahead with a new venture with backing from a group of Florida investors.

“We hope clients will be more calm. This will probably lead the way to a good future,” he told reporters, saying he was looking at adding a Jacuzzi and a swimming pool.

Labaye said he had about 2,000 regular clients who paid around $20 ($17 U.S.) a year for a membership card.


Lawyers for Labaye and the owner of another swingers’ club in Montreal argued that consensual sex among groups of adults behind closed doors was neither indecent or a risk to society.

The Supreme Court judges agreed.

“Criminal indecency or obscenity must rest on actual harm or a significant risk of harm to individuals or society. The Crown failed to establish this essential element of the offense. (Its) case must therefore fail,” McLachlin wrote.

In indecency cases, Canadian courts have traditionally probed whether the acts in question “breached the rules of conduct necessary for the proper functioning of society”. The Supreme Court ruled that from now on, judges should pay more attention to whether society would be actively harmed.

Deviant, maybe, but not dangerous
This seemed to ensure there could be no repeat of Labaye’s original conviction for causing “social harm” by allowing degrading and dehumanizing group sex to take place.

The judges said that just because most Canadians might disapprove of swingers’ clubs, this did not necessarily mean the establishments were socially dangerous.

“The causal link between images of sexuality and anti-social behavior cannot be assumed. Attitudes in themselves are not crimes, however deviant they may be or disgusting they may appear,” the judges said, noting that no one had been pressured to have sex or had paid for sex in the cases the court considered.

“The autonomy and liberty of members of the public was not affected by unwanted confrontation with the sexual activity in question ... only those already disposed to this sort of sexual activity were allowed to participate and watch,” they said.

They also dismissed the idea — raised during Labaye’s original trial — that group sex was dangerous because it could result in the spread of sexually transmitted diseases.

“Sex that is not indecent can transmit disease while indecent sex might not,” they ruled.
 
Yet another reason to emmigrate to Canada! Free healthcare, misdemeanor pot laws, and group sex! Not to mention, really nice people. :D
 
I been watching CBC, and grooving on curling and da Vinci, myself.
 
cantdog said:
I been watching CBC, and grooving on curling and da Vinci, myself.

Canada!
Come for the cheap prescription drugs!
Stay for the pot and group sex!

Also, curling rocks! I had a unit of it in high school P.E. and I think it's about the only Olympic sport you can perform reasonably well at while drunk.
 
It's recondite without being difficult to follow, curling. I completely do not understand the idea of making it an Olympic sport. I don't think it really is a sport, any more than baseball is. If you can chew tobacco during the game, it ain't a sport. I like them both, but that doesn't mean the people who play the games are necessarily athletes. :)

I dig Canadians. I dig Canada.
 
cantdog said:
I don't think it really is a sport, any more than baseball is. If you can chew tobacco during the game, it ain't a sport. I like them both, but that doesn't mean the people who play the games are necessarily athletes. :)

Ooooo -- them's fightin' words. ;)
 
Quick News Flash.

Drug testing before a major bonspiel revealed the equivalent of a two four in the blood streams of the competitors.

And that was just the women.

That is all.
 
I've always thought of Canada as the USA's older, saner brother. The one who actually has a job and takes care of his kids.
 
dr_mabeuse said:
I've always thought of Canada as the USA's older, saner brother. The one who actually has a job and takes care of his kids.

That's stretching it a bit. America is older by almost a century. Canada is the younger, more compliant brother. The one who had trouble cutting the apron strings to Mom (England). America is the older, rebellious brother, who asserted his independence early and went off to join the army. Canada is also the gay brother who just came out of the closet, while we are also the brother that joined a cult for a few years and just left it (I hope).
 
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SM //we are also the brother that joined a cult for a few years and just left it (I hope).//

and now finds the cult members are out to kidnap and 'de-program' you.

i like your analogy in places, though I don't think the younger bro is 'more compliant'. in thinking things over, including this topic, notice that Canada is closer to Europe in 'sane sex laws,' e.g. re prostitution.
though younger in a way, the attitudes are 'older,' as in Europe.


it's well to remember that the founding Americans, at least in New England WERE a cult, one that found England uncongenial *because too lax in morality*. The Puritans complained of persecution, but of course only had a problem with *persecution aimed at them.* Once here (in Mass) they established cult discipline, jailings for those who worshipped in other ways, hangings for the unrepentant heretics.

younger bro did not rebel, it's true, but kept in touch with England and France, the latter particularly 'laissez faire' in some areas of morals. indeed a good chunk of Canada is French, and thus directly partakes of French moral sanity. Canada partook of European attitudes to slavery, and its timetable for abolition is like Europe's. US had to 'work things out on its own, white folks killing a few tens of thousands of each other.

older bro may have left the cult, but his mind has the same 'set'; it is attracted to moral rigor and 'don't tread on me.' hence his mind is easy picking for the next salesperson with a moral pitch.
 
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rgraham666 said:
Quick News Flash.

Drug testing before a major bonspiel revealed the equivalent of a two four in the blood streams of the competitors.

And that was just the women.

That is all.

:nana: :nana:

If you can walk on ice and hold a broom, that's all that counts! :D
 
There is a reason that I would have preferred life in Pennsylvania to life in New England. Blame the damn yankees. :D :rolleyes: Before the Baptists took over, the South had some "moral sanity" too. Pennsylvania always did.

It was said in colonial Virginia that a virgin was a girl who could outrun her uncle. :devil:
 
cheerful_deviant said:
Canadian court lifts ban on ‘swingers’ clubs
Group sex among consenting adults not a threat to society, it says...
Oahhhaoooooahhhh (oh my god) ooohhhh, Canada!
As a Canadian-born (& raised) broad, I proudly sing.
 
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