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Re: Re: Re: Greens Vote Explodes in Oz
I'm not.
Don K Dyck said:I'm glad I live in Oz . . .
I'm not.
Greens Vote Explodes in Oz
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REDWAVE
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Immigration
Interesting, Don. Just as ppman has a blind spot when it comes to British imperialism, you have a blind spot regarding Australian chauvinism and racism. The original inhabitants are, of course, the Aboriginees, who have been brutally dispossed of their land, and viciously oppressed, by the European settlers. Did your ancestors comply with the Aborginees' laws on immigration when coming to Australia? Or are you in fact the descendent of illegal immigrants?
As a predominately Caucasian nation not far from Asia, Australia has long had a fear of being overwhelmed by the "yellow peril." The fear is that if immigration is opened to Asians, the Caucasians will soon be overwhelmed by a floodtide, and Asians will become the majority.
Anti-immigrant bias is a major problem worldwide, however, not just in Australia. The U.S.'s militarization of its border with Mexico, which has caused numerous unnecessary deaths, is notorious. The Berlin Wall came down, but the "Tijuana Wall" is still up. Similarily, the European Union is turning itself into a racist "Fortress Europa." As a revolutionary socialist, I support the right of all people to live where they please, unrestricted by the artificial borders of nation-states. By contrast, the current unjust, racist system is building huge barriers against the mobility of people, while simultaneously removing all barriers to the mobility of international finance capital.
Interesting, Don. Just as ppman has a blind spot when it comes to British imperialism, you have a blind spot regarding Australian chauvinism and racism. The original inhabitants are, of course, the Aboriginees, who have been brutally dispossed of their land, and viciously oppressed, by the European settlers. Did your ancestors comply with the Aborginees' laws on immigration when coming to Australia? Or are you in fact the descendent of illegal immigrants?
As a predominately Caucasian nation not far from Asia, Australia has long had a fear of being overwhelmed by the "yellow peril." The fear is that if immigration is opened to Asians, the Caucasians will soon be overwhelmed by a floodtide, and Asians will become the majority.
Anti-immigrant bias is a major problem worldwide, however, not just in Australia. The U.S.'s militarization of its border with Mexico, which has caused numerous unnecessary deaths, is notorious. The Berlin Wall came down, but the "Tijuana Wall" is still up. Similarily, the European Union is turning itself into a racist "Fortress Europa." As a revolutionary socialist, I support the right of all people to live where they please, unrestricted by the artificial borders of nation-states. By contrast, the current unjust, racist system is building huge barriers against the mobility of people, while simultaneously removing all barriers to the mobility of international finance capital.
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Hi d
glad about the greens.
glad about the thousands that marched for peace this weekend - good onya aussies!
but your immigrant track record is dismal.
This from the Guardian today:
Theatre of the Absurd
The law that once protected refugees from East Timor is now being used to expel them, writes David Fickling
Full article here
glad about the greens.
glad about the thousands that marched for peace this weekend - good onya aussies!
but your immigrant track record is dismal.
This from the Guardian today:
Theatre of the Absurd
The law that once protected refugees from East Timor is now being used to expel them, writes David Fickling
Full article here
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Re: Immigration
Good post, Redwave . . . a very reasonable analysis . . . particularly your last comment about captive populationd and mobile capital . . . brings to mind the infamous MIAs (Manufacturing Investment Agreements) proposed by U$ multinationals whereby those "parasitic" corporations and their staff would be excluded from the legal system of the "host" nation . . . and other distinctly unfair and undemocratic proposals.
Oz is undoubtedly a racist nation . . . look at the High Court judgement dispossessing the Aborigines . . . "Oz chauvinism" of course . . . to be otherwise would be unthinkable and represent a continuation of the cultural cringe that Oz has suffered under since settlement in 1788, first to the English, and since WWII to the U$ . . .
When my progenitors arrived in Oz, the Aborigine "problem" was being led towards genocide by government policies . . . but the Aborigines survived to be a big legal embarrassment about land ownership . . . I mean, claimiing that over 20,000 years of Aboriginal ownership was more important than 220 years of British "Title" . . . you are correct, White Australia has a Black History . . . but the winners write the history . . . and law should not be confused with justice.
REDWAVE said:
Good post, Redwave . . . a very reasonable analysis . . . particularly your last comment about captive populationd and mobile capital . . . brings to mind the infamous MIAs (Manufacturing Investment Agreements) proposed by U$ multinationals whereby those "parasitic" corporations and their staff would be excluded from the legal system of the "host" nation . . . and other distinctly unfair and undemocratic proposals.
Oz is undoubtedly a racist nation . . . look at the High Court judgement dispossessing the Aborigines . . . "Oz chauvinism" of course . . . to be otherwise would be unthinkable and represent a continuation of the cultural cringe that Oz has suffered under since settlement in 1788, first to the English, and since WWII to the U$ . . .
When my progenitors arrived in Oz, the Aborigine "problem" was being led towards genocide by government policies . . . but the Aborigines survived to be a big legal embarrassment about land ownership . . . I mean, claimiing that over 20,000 years of Aboriginal ownership was more important than 220 years of British "Title" . . . you are correct, White Australia has a Black History . . . but the winners write the history . . . and law should not be confused with justice.
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I hope the Aus Greens dont do what the NZ Greens did. They came to prominence at the last election (1998) as a party that had several mandates. The Enviroment was upper most in their thinking, and they had some very good ideas. A few silly ones, but what party doesn't? They won 13 seats in our parliment and did some good work.
Then, it came time to begin the 2002 election campaign. The Greenies lost the plot. Everything they uttered was linked to GE (Genetic Engineering) or GM (Genetic Modification). All of their other "causes" got swept aside and so did their final vote. They went from 13 (I think) seats in parliment, and a very strong lobbying voice, to about 5 seats, and no-one has heard a whimper since.
I hope the Aus Greens do a whole lot better.
We do need a voice in our parliments looking out for enviromental concerns, but everyone here got sick of their "one hit wonder" message and they suffered accordingly.
Then, it came time to begin the 2002 election campaign. The Greenies lost the plot. Everything they uttered was linked to GE (Genetic Engineering) or GM (Genetic Modification). All of their other "causes" got swept aside and so did their final vote. They went from 13 (I think) seats in parliment, and a very strong lobbying voice, to about 5 seats, and no-one has heard a whimper since.
I hope the Aus Greens do a whole lot better.
We do need a voice in our parliments looking out for enviromental concerns, but everyone here got sick of their "one hit wonder" message and they suffered accordingly.
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Re: Re: Immigration
Hi Foxy, the CIA needs to get out of other people's business . . . especially the Oz Prim monster's office . . .
foxinsox said:Tell us where you bought your ivory tower. I'm in the market for a new abode - sans borders, of course
Don - you need to get that CIA bug outta your ass. Literally
Hi Foxy, the CIA needs to get out of other people's business . . . especially the Oz Prim monster's office . . .
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Re: Re: Re: Greens Vote Explodes in Oz
Dick, every time you open your mouth about our system, you prove your ignorance.
As usual, you have no idea what you're talking about. You are factually incorrect.
Don K Dyck said:In the U$ it seems that the people surrender their vote to their member in the college system, thus giving up their personal right to elect the government . . . I'm glad I live in Oz . . .
Dick, every time you open your mouth about our system, you prove your ignorance.
As usual, you have no idea what you're talking about. You are factually incorrect.
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You talk about the GREENS and the Prim Monster
Yet you IGNORE the threat in your FRONT YARD. Dont think that your ASS KISSING of the hoarde will save you from being KILLED, when the time comes. The clock is ticking,though you cant bring yourself to hear it, CAN YOU?
SENIOR UK-based Al-Qaeda operative Abu Qatada . . . visited training camp in Australia as a ``guest speaker''.
Terrorist-linked group trains in Victorian forest
Tanya Targett and Anthony Marx
03dec02
ISLAMIC extremists linked to outlawed terrorist group Jemaah Islamiyah fired weapons and conducted close-quarters combat training in a remote forest outside Melbourne.
Attendees at the weekend camps, which have run for the past five years, are believed to include at least one of the Perth families ASIO raided in October.
The Courier-Mail's Insight team also has been told that senior UK-based Al-Qaeda operative Abu Qatada, accused of being a key influence in the September 11 attacks on New York and Washington, attended the camp as a spiritual guest speaker.
While Australian law enforcement officers maintain Qatada, in custody in the UK, was refused entry as he tried to enter Australia in the 1990s, leading Muslims claim otherwise.
Sheikh Taj el din Al-Hilaly, Australia's most prominent Muslim leader maintains Qatada not only entered the country in the 1990s but engaged in a speaking tour as well.
And Fehmi Naji El-Imam, the Imam (priest) of Melbourne's Preston Mosque, confirmed yesterday that Qatada – also known as Omar Mohammed Othman – spoke to his congregation.
While Sheikh Fehmi said he could not remember exactly what Qatada preached, he remembered the cleric as a "good speaker" who spoke of Islam in general and toured "various cities".
"At the time, nobody knows Al-Qaeda. Al-Qaeda just created lately. Don't you worry, if we know he's coming back we will inform the necessary authority."
Well-placed intelligence sources claim ASIO found spent cartridges at the undisclosed state forest training camp and listened in on some of the spiritual discussions.
Extremist Indonesian political movement, Ahlus Sunnah wal Jammah, which is associated with terrorist group Laskar Jihad (LJ) was believed to have organised the camps.
Insight understands the close-knit group, known for its secrecy and fundamentalist ideology, is based at the Preston Mosque.
Sheikh Fehmi said while mosque patrons ran many summer camps for children and adults, he was not aware of mosque patrons or members organising military camps.
But Sheikh Fehmi said the existence of such camps, or the presence of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jammah could not be ruled out as the mosque had between 500 and 1000 members.
Insight further understands camp attendees, from all parts of Australia, have Algerian, Somali, Lebanese, Palestinian and Philippine backgrounds, with some Philippino members linked to JI.
Investigations also reveal members of the Sydney-based extremist group Islamic Youth Movement, which publishes a pro-terrorist magazine, have attended the camps. Attempts to contact the Islamic Youth Movement were unsuccessful.
Militant Islamic warriors, who fought in Afghanistan or Somalia, also were alleged to have led camp training sessions which involved target practice and a walk-through combat shooting range.
An intelligence source said: ". . . it was a chance to do bonding and maintain and pass on skills because there was a phobia that they were being targeted in the community and they needed to have these weapons for self-protection."
Insight understands Perth father David Suparta attended the camps at least once.
However, Mr Suparta, who has admitted owning a gun, said he had not been to Melbourne and had not attended training camps anywhere in the country.
Mr Suparta is understood to have been an associate of twin brothers Abdul Rahim Ayub and Abdur Ahaman Ayub, both of Perth. The men, who have been accused of being JI operatives, were also raided by ASIO.
Yet you IGNORE the threat in your FRONT YARD. Dont think that your ASS KISSING of the hoarde will save you from being KILLED, when the time comes. The clock is ticking,though you cant bring yourself to hear it, CAN YOU?
SENIOR UK-based Al-Qaeda operative Abu Qatada . . . visited training camp in Australia as a ``guest speaker''.
Terrorist-linked group trains in Victorian forest
Tanya Targett and Anthony Marx
03dec02
ISLAMIC extremists linked to outlawed terrorist group Jemaah Islamiyah fired weapons and conducted close-quarters combat training in a remote forest outside Melbourne.
Attendees at the weekend camps, which have run for the past five years, are believed to include at least one of the Perth families ASIO raided in October.
The Courier-Mail's Insight team also has been told that senior UK-based Al-Qaeda operative Abu Qatada, accused of being a key influence in the September 11 attacks on New York and Washington, attended the camp as a spiritual guest speaker.
While Australian law enforcement officers maintain Qatada, in custody in the UK, was refused entry as he tried to enter Australia in the 1990s, leading Muslims claim otherwise.
Sheikh Taj el din Al-Hilaly, Australia's most prominent Muslim leader maintains Qatada not only entered the country in the 1990s but engaged in a speaking tour as well.
And Fehmi Naji El-Imam, the Imam (priest) of Melbourne's Preston Mosque, confirmed yesterday that Qatada – also known as Omar Mohammed Othman – spoke to his congregation.
While Sheikh Fehmi said he could not remember exactly what Qatada preached, he remembered the cleric as a "good speaker" who spoke of Islam in general and toured "various cities".
"At the time, nobody knows Al-Qaeda. Al-Qaeda just created lately. Don't you worry, if we know he's coming back we will inform the necessary authority."
Well-placed intelligence sources claim ASIO found spent cartridges at the undisclosed state forest training camp and listened in on some of the spiritual discussions.
Extremist Indonesian political movement, Ahlus Sunnah wal Jammah, which is associated with terrorist group Laskar Jihad (LJ) was believed to have organised the camps.
Insight understands the close-knit group, known for its secrecy and fundamentalist ideology, is based at the Preston Mosque.
Sheikh Fehmi said while mosque patrons ran many summer camps for children and adults, he was not aware of mosque patrons or members organising military camps.
But Sheikh Fehmi said the existence of such camps, or the presence of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jammah could not be ruled out as the mosque had between 500 and 1000 members.
Insight further understands camp attendees, from all parts of Australia, have Algerian, Somali, Lebanese, Palestinian and Philippine backgrounds, with some Philippino members linked to JI.
Investigations also reveal members of the Sydney-based extremist group Islamic Youth Movement, which publishes a pro-terrorist magazine, have attended the camps. Attempts to contact the Islamic Youth Movement were unsuccessful.
Militant Islamic warriors, who fought in Afghanistan or Somalia, also were alleged to have led camp training sessions which involved target practice and a walk-through combat shooting range.
An intelligence source said: ". . . it was a chance to do bonding and maintain and pass on skills because there was a phobia that they were being targeted in the community and they needed to have these weapons for self-protection."
Insight understands Perth father David Suparta attended the camps at least once.
However, Mr Suparta, who has admitted owning a gun, said he had not been to Melbourne and had not attended training camps anywhere in the country.
Mr Suparta is understood to have been an associate of twin brothers Abdul Rahim Ayub and Abdur Ahaman Ayub, both of Perth. The men, who have been accused of being JI operatives, were also raided by ASIO.
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Donald Dyck
I dont expect you to understand this post at all.
When the ugly head of Anti-Semitism reared its ugly head in Germany........there were many Jews who were......Rich, politically connected,economically influential........that thought.......It wont happen to me.......it will only happen to those JEWISH JEWS!!!!!!......
When it came to the extermination lines.......the rich Jews were in line with the politically connected with the influential with the long beards with the JEWISH JEWS......
You can have pictures of yourself protesting with the Muslim hoards......you can be their BEST FRIEND and support the 5,000%......You will be KILLED as will othe folks from OZ........You are nothing but what Lenin said........ A USEFUL IDIOT.......
It is OBVIOUS you care not one whit about the future of your country.........Your future, safety and well being of yourself and family........and with that......You have commonality with the Muslim hoarde.......THEY DONT CARE EITHER!!!!!!!!
You too........sooner then you all realize........will be in the same extermination line.........as the ANTI MUSLIM!!!!!!!!!!!
I dont expect you to understand this post at all.
When the ugly head of Anti-Semitism reared its ugly head in Germany........there were many Jews who were......Rich, politically connected,economically influential........that thought.......It wont happen to me.......it will only happen to those JEWISH JEWS!!!!!!......
When it came to the extermination lines.......the rich Jews were in line with the politically connected with the influential with the long beards with the JEWISH JEWS......
You can have pictures of yourself protesting with the Muslim hoards......you can be their BEST FRIEND and support the 5,000%......You will be KILLED as will othe folks from OZ........You are nothing but what Lenin said........ A USEFUL IDIOT.......
It is OBVIOUS you care not one whit about the future of your country.........Your future, safety and well being of yourself and family........and with that......You have commonality with the Muslim hoarde.......THEY DONT CARE EITHER!!!!!!!!
You too........sooner then you all realize........will be in the same extermination line.........as the ANTI MUSLIM!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Donald Dyck
heheheheheheh . . . Busybody, you are one sick puppy . . . Remember this . . .
We are Australians . . . we can do anything!! . . . and everything!!
We thrash the Poms at cricket . . . one young aussie wiped the Yanks at tennis . . . and those are just the sporting trivia . . .
Perhaps you should be asking your Administration why your economy is collapsing . . . why the U$ corporations are corrupt . . . fix your own backyard before you meddle in somebody else's field . . .
busybody said:
heheheheheheh . . . Busybody, you are one sick puppy . . . Remember this . . .
We are Australians . . . we can do anything!! . . . and everything!!
We thrash the Poms at cricket . . . one young aussie wiped the Yanks at tennis . . . and those are just the sporting trivia . . .
Perhaps you should be asking your Administration why your economy is collapsing . . . why the U$ corporations are corrupt . . . fix your own backyard before you meddle in somebody else's field . . .
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Ishmael said:
Ah'm wid chew...
Don, may the Amish descend upon you and clog your highways with black buggies...
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They still play Tennis in the US?
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Good gawd, you're a troll magnet.
Kindred spirits?
my grits...
Kindred spirits?
my grits...
busybody..
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Dumb Dumb Duck
You see, I didnt expect you to understand what I wrote.
Lets assume for aguments sake, that America is all Fucked up and withing 5 minutes of disappearing forever........
That does not negate the accuracy of what I wrote and the articles I posted.......
But keep talking about sports......Yeah, that is important......
I feel sorry for you.......
Because there is no one more revolting then one who cannot acknowledge what stares them in their face!
The HOARDE is telling you all point blank that they will KILL you! But you say, its the CIA talking.
When you are DYING of your wounds......and the HOARDE is taking responsibilty for it........With you dying words you will say......THE CIA DID IT!!!!!!!!!........And the HOARDE will be laughing around your decaying carcus........
Truly a sick person........
You see, I didnt expect you to understand what I wrote.
Lets assume for aguments sake, that America is all Fucked up and withing 5 minutes of disappearing forever........
That does not negate the accuracy of what I wrote and the articles I posted.......
But keep talking about sports......Yeah, that is important......
I feel sorry for you.......
Because there is no one more revolting then one who cannot acknowledge what stares them in their face!
The HOARDE is telling you all point blank that they will KILL you! But you say, its the CIA talking.
When you are DYING of your wounds......and the HOARDE is taking responsibilty for it........With you dying words you will say......THE CIA DID IT!!!!!!!!!........And the HOARDE will be laughing around your decaying carcus........
Truly a sick person........
Don K Dyck
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Aw shucks . . . You Missed out . . .
SIN, now have you been looking at JMJs thread?? . . . I guess he's missed his vocation . . . missed you out . . .
SINthysist said:Good gawd, you're a troll magnet.
Kindred spirits?
SIN, now have you been looking at JMJs thread?? . . . I guess he's missed his vocation . . . missed you out . . .
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Re: Dumb Dumb Duck
Busybody . . . have you considered a career with the military? I believe that there will be some new opportunities coming up real soon . . . just think, you can have your very own Desertstorm syndrome when you return . . . be a great chance to see some Arabs face to face . . .
busybody said:
Busybody . . . have you considered a career with the military? I believe that there will be some new opportunities coming up real soon . . . just think, you can have your very own Desertstorm syndrome when you return . . . be a great chance to see some Arabs face to face . . .
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Re: Re: Greens Vote Explodes in Oz
Great post Lioness. Unfortunately, the only one not listening to it is the person you addressed it to.
LionessInWinter said:Jeepers, did a Green party member suddenly become Prime Minister?
Mate, you can get me to ride along with you for a time, but you always have to be such a peckerhead about the States, even when you're addressing a completely unrelated issue.
Here, from http://www.avagara.com/e_c/ec_why.htm :
The Electoral College is an expression of the Federal system. Ultimately, the states elect the President of the United States. The highest popularly elected official in the United States is the state governor, not the president. Any change toward a popular voting system undermines the states, and the very basis for the Federal system.
Okay already?
Lioness
PS: And how ya goin'?
Great post Lioness. Unfortunately, the only one not listening to it is the person you addressed it to.
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Re: Sovereignty is Ours . . .
And quite right too...
I know a number of Brits who were refused immigrant staus to Oz because they couldn't live up to the criteria.
And really quite simple criteria at that...
Do you have anywhere to live?
Do you have a job to go to?
How much savings do you have?
Do you have any relatives in Australia?
What skills can you bring with you?
ppman
Don K Dyck said:aussies believe that we have the right to select who settles in our country . . . and everybody else's opinion is totally irrelevant.
And quite right too...
I know a number of Brits who were refused immigrant staus to Oz because they couldn't live up to the criteria.
And really quite simple criteria at that...
Do you have anywhere to live?
Do you have a job to go to?
How much savings do you have?
Do you have any relatives in Australia?
What skills can you bring with you?
ppman
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Re: Re: Re: Greens Vote Explodes in Oz
Hi Zip, good to see you again . . . I got the point of Lioness' post . . . I just don't think that the system is very good . . .
In Oz, the federated States in the Commonwealth Parliament have a Lower House elected on a "one vote one value" basis in electorates across the country.
Each State has a different number of Lower House seats. The Party or grouping controlling 50% + 1 seats forms the government, and a Party may form a minority government by making an agreement with Independents. These minority Party governments are more common in State than Federal governments.
In the Upper House, each State has the same number of Senators, 12, regardless of the population of that State. The Australian Capital Territory (ACT) and Northern Territory (NT) each having two Senators, are unconstitutional anomalities allowed by the High Court as a pragmatic solution to an embarrassing political problem.
Thus both Houses of Parliament are directly elected by the people.
zipman7 said:
Hi Zip, good to see you again . . . I got the point of Lioness' post . . . I just don't think that the system is very good . . .
In Oz, the federated States in the Commonwealth Parliament have a Lower House elected on a "one vote one value" basis in electorates across the country.
Each State has a different number of Lower House seats. The Party or grouping controlling 50% + 1 seats forms the government, and a Party may form a minority government by making an agreement with Independents. These minority Party governments are more common in State than Federal governments.
In the Upper House, each State has the same number of Senators, 12, regardless of the population of that State. The Australian Capital Territory (ACT) and Northern Territory (NT) each having two Senators, are unconstitutional anomalities allowed by the High Court as a pragmatic solution to an embarrassing political problem.
Thus both Houses of Parliament are directly elected by the people.
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