Greens Vote Explodes in Oz

[Don K Dyck]

Victorian election shows more support for Greens

AM - Sunday, December 1, 2002 8:26

The increase in the Green vote almost equalled the drop in votes for the Liberal Party. The Greens won an unprecedented 9 per cent across the State and up to 25 per cent in the inner city.

Greens candidate Richard Di Natale believes he could still win the seat of Melbourne, where the Greens want to stop the Bracks Government building the Commonwealth Games Athletes village on park land.

With Victoria finally bringing in publicly funded elections, the massive Green vote will bring the Party more than $300,000. Greens Senator Bob Brown says even if the Party fails to win a seat, it's proof of the Greens third party status.

Our Oz ABC did a really good coverage on the morning radio programme called "AM" . . . the news programme that literally EVERY thinking politician listens to, as well as stupid politicans like our Prim Monster.

Oz ABC Radio on Greens in Victorian State (oz) Elections

The Greens are becoming the party of choice for first time voters, apparently displacing the Oz Democrats. Oh the wonders of an electoral system without an electoral college.

 

[sexy-girl]

that's cool ... but will the harsh and unreasonable stance on immigrants change ?

 

[Guest]

 

[Guest]

 

[Don K Dyck]

Sovereignty is Ours . . .

that's cool ... but will the harsh and unreasonable stance on immigrants change ?

The policy is very reasonable . . . come in the front door and there are no problems . . . pay unscrupulous people smugglers and risk drowning at sea . . . contrary to the posing of our Prim Monster, aussies believe that we have the right to select who settles in our country . . . and everybody else's opinion is totally irrelevant. That is what national sovereignty is all about . . . the right to conduct our own afffairs without the interference of outside security organisations like the CIA . . .

 

[ma_guy]

Re: Sovereignty is Ours . . .

That is what national sovereignty is all about . . . the right to conduct our own afffairs without the interference of outside security organisations like the CIA . . .

And that's exactly why no one gives a flying fuck about your views on the US.

 

[sexy-girl]

Re: Sovereignty is Ours . . .

The policy is very reasonable . . . come in the front door and there are no problems . . . pay unscrupulous people smugglers and risk drowning at sea . . . contrary to the posing of our Prim Monster, aussies believe that we have the right to select who settles in our country . . . and everybody else's opinion is totally irrelevant. That is what national sovereignty is all about . . . the right to conduct our own afffairs without the interference of outside security organisations like the CIA . . .

some people though are fleeing conflicts and the people that you do keep in "camps" before expelling them its disgusting the way they are treated and the conditions they are in ... why do you think someone would sew their lips together and try to commit suicide in front of the camera's if the conditions weren't inhumane


every country gets illegal immigrants that need to be expelled but australia's policy of treating them worse then animals so they won't try is wrong in my opinion


and if you speak to australian travelers that have actually seen the world and visited different places they are often disgusted with their government for treating immigrants like that

 

[miles]

I don't know about the Greens down under, but their platform in the US is one of the most frightening documents I've ever seen. I seriously doubt more than a few percent of Americans who cast ballots for Nader have any idea what they stand for. If they did, Homer Simpson would probably pull more votes.

He's more qualified.

 

[miles]

Re: Re: Sovereignty is Ours . . .

And that's exactly why no one gives a flying fuck about your views on the US.

The views I've seen look like they were culled from supermarket tabloids.

 

[Ishmael]

I am sincerely looking forward to the day that a country of some significance goes "Green". It will be an object lesson to the rest of the world.

Ishmael

 

[Ladybird]

Re: Re: Sovereignty is Ours . . .

some people though are fleeing conflicts and the people that you do keep in "camps" before expelling them its disgusting the way they are treated and the conditions they are in ... why do you think someone would sew their lips together and try to commit suicide in front of the camera's if the conditions weren't inhumane


every country gets illegal immigrants that need to be expelled but australia's policy of treating them worse then animals so they won't try is wrong in my opinion


and if you speak to australian travelers that have actually seen the world and visited different places they are often disgusted with their government for treating immigrants like that

It's possible that because you don't live here, you haven't been shown the full picture.

Yes, illegal immigrants have threatened to sew their lips together etc, but have you seen how they have also burnt down large parts of the camps where they are housed? Have you seen the injuries that the camp guards have sustained? Have you heard how people living in nearby towns keep petitioning to have the camp moved because they're afraid of escaping illegals.

Most people enter this country in a legal way, why should those that choose to enter illegally, be given legal status? It makes no sense.

And at the end of day... do we really want people who do sew the lips of their children together, in this country?

 

[Don K Dyck]

Re: Re: Sovereignty is Ours . . .

some people though are fleeing conflicts and the people that you do keep in "camps" before expelling them its disgusting the way they are treated and the conditions they are in ... why do you think someone would sew their lips together and try to commit suicide in front of the camera's if the conditions weren't inhumane


every country gets illegal immigrants that need to be expelled but australia's policy of treating them worse then animals so they won't try is wrong in my opinion


and if you speak to australian travelers that have actually seen the world and visited different places they are often disgusted with their government for treating immigrants like that

If you are so concerned about the strategies used by the Oz government when dealing with illegal immigrants dumped on our shores or in the sea by people smugglers, you might explain to us the policies of the UK which have excluded Commonwealth citizens, except on certain tourist visas, from both travelling to, and working in the UK.

The reasons that these extreme forms of behaviour were exhibited were that these poor illegals had paid big money, about $US 5,000 per head, guaranteed by their families at home at usurous interest rates to unscrupulous money lenders. Given that "freedom and opportunity" were literally through the wire, these illegals, assisted by aussie and nationals already established in our community, undertook a huge media campaign to swing Oz public opinion against government policy . . . it did not work, indeed, it had a contrary effect. At present the court system as far as the High Court is clogged up with appeals against deportation.

The deceitful charade of the overboard illegals swung public opinion firmly behind the government's policy and gave the Liberal Party conservative government a win in what had been an unwinnable elction.

If you want to migrate to Oz, then come in the front door through the correct channels, and bring your $US 5,000 capital with you.

 

[Don K Dyck]

MORE GREEN NEWS!!!

This morning it was announced that Peter Garrett, lead singer of Midnight Oil, has resigned to pursue other interests. As yet there has been no indication whether he will attempt to enter politics again, but the party umbers men are circling and considering the options. Peter garrett is currently Patron or Chairperson of thew Oz Conservation Foundation. More news expected soon . . .

Check the MIdnight OIl website for more details.

 

[Ishmael]

Re: Re: Re: Sovereignty is Ours . . .

If you are so concerned about the strategies used by the Oz government when dealing with illegal immigrants dumped on our shores or in the sea by people smugglers, you might explain to us the policies of the UK which have excluded Commonwealth citizens, except on certain tourist visas, from both travelling to, and working in the UK.

The reasons that these extreme forms of behaviour were exhibited were that these poor illegals had paid big money, about $US 5,000 per head, guaranteed by their families at home at usurous interest rates to unscrupulous money lenders. Given that "freedom and opportunity" were literally through the wire, these illegals, assisted by aussie and nationals already established in our community, undertook a huge media campaign to swing Oz public opinion against government policy . . . it did not work, indeed, it had a contrary effect. At present the court system as far as the High Court is clogged up with appeals against deportation.

The deceitful charade of the overboard illegals swung public opinion firmly behind the government's policy and gave the Liberal Party conservative government a win in what had been an unwinnable elction.

If you want to migrate to Oz, then come in the front door through the correct channels, and bring your $US 5,000 capital with you.

Don, you are engaged in a pointless argument. She believes that 'fellings' trump the citizens right to secure their borders.

Ishmael

 

[Aquila]

Yay, lets all go green and place man after nature, and not before.

 

[Problem Child]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Sovereignty is Ours . . .

Don, you are engaged in a pointless argument.
Ishmael

That never slowed him down before. I'm just waiting for the CIA to somehow be involved in all this.

 

[Pagliacci]

I am sincerely looking forward to the day that a country of some significance goes "Green". It will be an object lesson to the rest of the world.

Ishmael

Sweden mightn't be that much of significance but we've had them in government for sometime.

Don't vote them in,sure they were useful for a term when they opened eyes on things that could be improved without loss in production capability or what have you for companies.

The last bunch of years though they just bleat "environment" to everything and are proud of the fact that they know jack shit about anything but how to cuddle dandeline.

That they get the votes they do makes me think that we got infiltrated by hippies sent to pasture from San Fransisco.

 

[Ishmael]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sovereignty is Ours . . .

That never slowed him down before. I'm just waiting for the CIA to somehow be involved in all this.

Why PC? I'm here, remember?

Ishmael

 

[Don K Dyck]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Sovereignty is Ours . . .

Don, you are engaged in a pointless argument. She believes that 'fellings' trump the citizens right to secure their borders.

Ishmael

Hi Ishmael . . . not a pointless argument, only a statement of facts. In a lacklustre conservative Oz government, I happen to support the policies and procedures that the Minister for Immigration, Phillip Ruddock, has followed during this very difficult period of invasion from Indonesian ports by unscrupulous people smugglers exploiting the misery of less fortunate individuals . . .

The U$ has the Green Card ballot, and restricted immigration since 1922 . . . Oz has taken immigrants since post-WWII and they have made a huge contribution to our society, just like the Irish did to America after the Irish Potato Famine 1848-1850.

And Miles . . . more Americans would have voted for Homer Simpson than Dubyah Shrub had Homer Simpson run as a Presidential candidate . . . his creators are definitely more articulate than the present incumbent . . .

 

[QuickDuck]

Re: Re: Re: Sovereignty is Ours . . .

The deceitful charade of the overboard illegals swung public opinion firmly behind the government's policy and gave the Liberal Party conservative government a win in what had been an unwinnable elction.

Wrong, the government lied.

Keep up with current affairs before claiming to speak for the "greater population".

The Librals won that election through a campaign of scare tactics and lies.

"if you vote labor, they will throw open the doors and let in these people who will throw childing into the ocean"

except it didn't happen and the then defence minister (Peter Reith) and Mr Ruddock (immigration and general minister for bullshit) knew.

The policy of "mandatory detention" is inhumane.

The "pacific solution" is laughable at best..... "yes, lets palm these poor bastards off onto other countries in the pacific, and say we will give them money, but don't".

You do not "speak for the majority", you speak for a collection of people, just as i speak from the standpoint of a different and close to equal collection.

Of course residents living nearby, protest to have the camps moved.. it is the same as if they built a maximum security prision near your house.

The good old "not in my backyard" syndrome.

The actions of the people in detention, which while i do not condone it, do understand that they are the actions of desperate people.

Possibly in the same situation, I would be driven to it as well.

 

[QuickDuck]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sovereignty is Ours . . .

That never slowed him down before. I'm just waiting for the CIA to somehow be involved in all this.

ummm maybe i can start....

the detention centre at Woomera is sort of closish, kinda to the Pine Gap US military facility.

therefore the CIA must have done it

hmm hows that?

 

[Guest]

 

[miles]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sovereignty is Ours . . .

Hi Ishmael . . . not a pointless argument, only a statement of

And Miles . . . more Americans would have voted for Homer Simpson than Dubyah Shrub had Homer Simpson run as a Presidential candidate . . . his creators are definitely more articulate than the present incumbent . . .

Uh, yeah Don.

 

[Don K Dyck]

Re: Re: Greens Vote Explodes in Oz

Jeepers, did a Green party member suddenly become Prime Minister?

Mate, you can get me to ride along with you for a time, but you always have to be such a peckerhead about the States, even when you're addressing a completely unrelated issue.

Here, from http://www.avagara.com/e_c/ec_why.htm :

The Electoral College is an expression of the Federal system. Ultimately, the states elect the President of the United States. The highest popularly elected official in the United States is the state governor, not the president. Any change toward a popular voting system undermines the states, and the very basis for the Federal system. Okay already? Lioness PS: And how ya goin'?

Hi Lioness, that is the difference between the political systems . . . in Oz the people elect the government directly . . . the party with the greatest number of seats in the Lower House (Representatives) becomes the government.

In the U$ it seems that the people surrender their vote to their member in the college system, thus giving up their personal right to elect the government . . . I'm glad I live in Oz . . .

 

[Don K Dyck]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sovereignty is Ours . . .

ummm maybe i can start....

the detention centre at Woomera is sort of closish, kinda to the Pine Gap US military facility. therefore the CIA must have done it hmm hows that?

Hi Duckie . . . I only speak for myself . . . if the CIA was involved do you think that the Prim Monster would have allowed a thorough investigation of how the Liberal Party deliberately misrepresented the facts?? Of course not, and he did not allow a thorough investigation. In fact, he specifically excluded PM office staffers from the inquiry . . . who or what was he trying to protect or cover-up??

And Lioness, a Green did not become Prim Monster . . . the party simply replaced the self Destruct-o-crats (Oz Democrats) as the third force in Oz politics. See the article at the top of the post.