Good Manners

[midwestyankee]

Does that mean they have manners?

And could you please cover up that AV? Why'd you give up the tofu diet?

Spent too much time in the Anyone for a Nightcap? thread.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I sometimes feel that the insides of the thighs are the nakedest parts of the human body.

 

[RJMasters]

But you dine with "media and academa" on a regular basis?

See the bold above. That's what I'm asking about. Why don't you include rightwing radio, Fox, and evangelical Christianity, among the forces influencing public opinion in this country?

As for academa....

TOP LACS:
Amherst College - Liberal
Bates College - Liberal
Bowdoin College - Liberal
Carleton College - Liberal
Claremont McKenna College - Liberal
Colby College - Liberal
Colgate University - Middle of the road
Davidson College - Middle of the road
Grinnell College - Liberal
Haverford College - Middle of the road
Middlebury College - Middle of the road
Oberlin College - Liberal
Pomona College - Liberal
Reed College - Liberal
Swarthmore College - Middle of the road
Vassar College - Liberal
Washington and Lee - Conservative
Wesleyan University - Liberal
Williams College - Libera

TOP PRIVATE RESEARCH UNIVERSITIES:
Brown University - Liberal
California Institute of Technology - Liberal
Carnegie Mellon University - Liberal
Columbia University - Liberal
Cornell University - Liberal
Dartmouth College - Left of center
Duke University - Middle of the road
Emory University - Middle of the road
Georgetown University - Middle of the road
Harvard University - Liberal
Johns Hopkins University - Liberal
Massachusetts Institute of Technology - Liberal
Northwestern University - Left of center
Princeton University - Left of center
Rice University - Left of center
Stanford University - Liberal
University of Chicago - Liberal
University of Pennsylvania - Liberal
University of Notre Dame - Middle of the road
Vanderbilt University - Middle of the road
Wake Forest Universty - Conservative
Washington University - Middle of the road
Yale University - Liberal

TOP PUBLICS:
College of William & Mary - Middle of the road
University of California-Berkeley - Liberal
University of California-Los Angeles - Liberal
University of Illinois-Urbana Champaign - Middle of the road
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor - Liberal
Universty of North Carolina-Chapel Hill - Left of center
University of Texas-Austin - Liberal
University of Virginia - Middle of the road
University of Wisconsin-Madison - Liberal


As for Fox News and talk radio


1. With Democrats holding a majority on the FCC's board, lefties are salivating over a post-election opportunity to quietly impose a crackdown on free speech in talk radio. There's little risk in approving a rule change during the holidays when few are paying attention and it can no longer be raised as a campaign issue.

Brazenly suggesting that Rush Limbaugh personally be targeted, the Reverend Al Sharpton is most certainly on board with this idea

AL SHARPTON (Friday 19 Nov 2010 - 32:20): And part of what I think the FCC needs to do is give the guidelines of what is excusable and what is not. What is permit-able or permitted I should say and what is not because clearly you’re not trying to block free speech.

But, I think that for people to engage in programming shows that will use racial or gender bias as their format, we’ve got a right to say there are standards that the FCC can say that you cannot continue to have licenses to do that. You got to remember that those stations that Rush Limbaugh is on and others are regulated by FCC, granted by FCC. They go back to them to get wavers. They go back to them to get consolidation.

They have the right to set standards that does not impair your right to speak what you believe, but it does say that you are not going to be able to do that to offend groups of Americans based on their race their gender, their sexual status, none of that.


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2. Sen. Rockefeller - Here’s part of Rockefeller’s statement: “There’s a little bug inside of me which wants to get the FCC to say to FOX and to MSNBC: ‘Out. Off. End. Goodbye.’ It would be a big favor to political discourse; our ability to do our work here in Congress, and to the American people, to be able to talk with each other and have some faith in their government and more importantly, in their future.”

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3. Earlier this year, the Federal Communication Commission received a letter from 30 liberal organizations urging the agency to monitor "hate speech" on talk radio and cable news networks. Notice that there is no mention of any major networks. This letter was addressed to Mark Lloyd, Compliance Czar at the FCC. He is currently working on a system where stations will be required to take a test in order to renew or get a license. If you fail, you don't get one or you lose the one you have.

 

[JMohegan]

Feel better now, RJ??

Having taken care of your c&p urges, would you mind answering my question?

 

[Netzach]

I went somewhere on the list.

Do you think that a school being labeled "liberal" meant there were no right wing twatwaffles to graffiti "jesus saves" on school property every easter?

Do you think that it being labeled "liberal' didn't mean being treated to lectures by prominent conservative dildoes on a semiregular basis because they actually had a fan base?

Do you think it meant that I didn't get to find out how neat it is to be a whole bunch of people's "first real Jew?"

I know discourse which isn't completely a right wing echo chamber is liberal and leftist.

Oh, also Al Sharpton doesn't exactly represent the mainstream of the left. He's kind of like Christine O'Donnell at this point in the game. So you're going to have to get a little further off the fringe to find a serious threat to FOX being on air. Rockerfeller is taking a swipe at the right and left and saying it's time to have civil discourse with facts - a little late in the game to go back to acting like a civilization, I think.

So you don't think hate speech actually exists, or do you think "hate speech" means "things we don't agree with" versus "things which advocate violent treatment of (usually minority) populations?"

Which is OK for xeroxed leaflets or soap boxes and parades, but I don't think it needs a 2pm slot.

 

[teknight]

I sometimes feel that the insides of the thighs are the nakedest parts of the human body.

I vote tongue.

 

[teknight]

I went somewhere on the list.

Do you think that a school being labeled "liberal" meant there were no right wing twatwaffles to graffiti "jesus saves" on school property every easter?

Do you think that it being labeled "liberal' didn't mean being treated to lectures by prominent conservative dildoes on a semiregular basis because they actually had a fan base?

I went to a tiny lib. arts college....but it was chock full of conservative students.

 

[Netzach]

I went to a tiny lib. arts college....but it was chock full of conservative students.

Yeah, same. We even let them eat in the same dining rooms

 

[teknight]

Yeah, same. We even let them eat in the same dining rooms

At our school they ate outside out of troughs. Not sure why the sarcasm in your reply, I was just reinforcing what you were saying...

 

[KoPilot]

I go to an art school.

They don't often teach us real things. :<

 

[Netzach]

At our school they ate outside out of troughs. Not sure why the sarcasm in your reply, I was just reinforcing what you were saying...

Not directed at you - directed at the idea that my school has some kind of uniform thinking code.

 

[Netzach]

I go to an art school.

They don't often teach us real things. :<

Overrated, keep drawing and you're smart. You're good.

 

[JMohegan]

I went somewhere on the list.

Do you think that a school being labeled "liberal" meant there were no right wing twatwaffles to graffiti "jesus saves" on school property every easter?

Do you think that it being labeled "liberal' didn't mean being treated to lectures by prominent conservative dildoes on a semiregular basis because they actually had a fan base?

Do you think it meant that I didn't get to find out how neat it is to be a whole bunch of people's "first real Jew?"

I know discourse which isn't completely a right wing echo chamber is liberal and leftist.

Oh, also Al Sharpton doesn't exactly represent the mainstream of the left. He's kind of like Christine O'Donnell at this point in the game. So you're going to have to get a little further off the fringe to find a serious threat to FOX being on air.

Me too, and obviously I agree with what you're saying, but there are liberal forces of influence out there. Right?

What I don't get is why it's so hard for somebody like RJ to admit that there are powerful conservative forces of influence too.

 

[00Syd]

I go to a small, super liberal, super gay, film/theatre-focused liberal arts college ( translated: a bunch of jews and gays getting trained to be the next generation of the commie hollywood elite).

And yet, I've met more politically conservative people here than I have anywhere else, at any other time in my life.


I've been people's first jewish friend, too.

 

[Netzach]

Me too, and obviously I agree with what you're saying, but there are liberal forces of influence out there. Right?

Liberal, sure. Left - less so. Radical, ha.

What I don't get is why it's so hard for somebody like RJ to admit that there are powerful conservative forces of influence too.

I wish I had some of the good shit to smoke during the last election.

 

[JMohegan]

Liberal, sure. Left - less so. Radical, ha.

Ever seen the clip of Joe Scarborough interviewing Anthony Weiner in the middle of the summer of health care debates?

Weiner tells Joe he wants Medicare for everybody, and Joe is absolutely dumbfounded. Incredulous that anyone would even suggest such a thing.

 

[Netzach]

Ever seen the clip of Joe Scarborough interviewing Anthony Weiner in the middle of the summer of health care debates?

Weiner tells Joe he wants Medicare for everybody, and Joe is absolutely dumbfounded. Incredulous that anyone would even suggest such a thing.

Maybe if someone made an I can Read Little Golden Book "how risk pools work"

 

[Cattypuss]

Do you guys really spell it "academa"? I've seen it spelled that way three times in this thread.

 

[00Syd]

I'm also not super clear on what makes a college "liberal" or not. Because I see Columbia on there, and they are busy doing some decidedly anti-liberal real estate-stuff on the Upper West Side. Or maybe it could be seen as liberal, in the sense that it could be seen as elitest? Or maybe the school administration doesn't have to be liberal, as long as the student body is (largely) liberal? Is that figured out with surveys?

Or something? Idk.

I'm honestly confused here.

I mean, they are certainly progressive in that there is an official student run BDSM group, that gets funding from the school and everything. It's pretty cool.

 

[RJMasters]

Feel better now, RJ??

Having taken care of your c&p urges, would you mind answering my question?

Sure thing tough guy.

What I don't get is why it's so hard for somebody like RJ to admit that there are powerful conservative forces of influence too.

Its not hard to admit. There are powerful conservative forces of influence too. I like em about as much as I do the powerful liberal influences....

There are things I love about the conservatives in this country, but there is also a lot things I love about the liberals in this country. I think I can say also that I hate things on both sides as well.

When I see self procaimed conservatives picking a funneral of a family's gay son who died serving his country, I want to put them all down like the dogs they are. These are the type of people who create a hostile environment. They are hypocrites. Had Christ himself been there, would he have been holding a pickette sign, or would he have walked over and comforted the parents for the lost of their son? You know me well enough to know how I would answer that.

The question has been raised, what so good about traditional values anyway. And it seems to me that when I have these discussions with a group of conservative minds people, the conversation tends to be positive. When I have this discussion with more liberal minded individuals, there is a tendency for it to focus on the negative.

I don't know the reason behind this, but when I think about it, I tend to equate traditional values with my grandma and grandpa. Both hard working people, each lived within the definition of traditional roles in the family. When I hear people constantly talking about how oppressed women were back in the day by men, somehow that just doesn't jive with my knowledge of the kind of man my grandpa was, nor does it square with my grandma's character. She would laugh at the notion she was oppressed and then say let's make a list of all the things we can be thankful for while we ate the cookies she made at 5:00 am that morning before breakfast. My grandpa use to sing to my grandma everyday, up to the day she died and then he followed her because the love of his 80 year life was now gone.

Does the fond memory of my grandparents make all the bad stuff of the past go away? No. But it sure is a different picture than the picture of the past being only seen through the prism of oppression.

As to expression not being accepted or tolerated...I think it has to do more with the liberal verses conservative mind set than anything to do with women opressing men as some would purpose I believe.

I think that about covers it.

Oh....I am pretty sure if I ever walked into a room full of conservatives and start forcibly espousing liberal ideas and talking to them about how hypocritical they were in their view of liberals, I would create a hostile environment. I don't think why I would think I can do it the other way around and somehow not create a hostile environment. So to any I offended...I am sorry.

 

[where]

Right and wrong are subjective and so, two people acting on principle are directly opposed.

absolutely (assuming they have different principles of course!) and I'm used to being the contrary one

WTF I just noticed that green stuff is not highlighting but responses.

It’s not just you, but you where at the head of it. At first I was just watching, I know OSG can generally handle herself, but even so things got nasty, so I was making a few lame comments trying to derail the thread. Just when it seemed like it had died the thing comes back and was not only threatened to but OSG through round two of the same crap, but others were about to get dragged in too.

This thread had some weird snow ball effect going on, and someone had to stop it.

If you must argue OSG, don't make it personal.

I'm not quite sure which posts I made that you considered me getting 'nasty' (with the implication being personal?) with her. That said, this thread has gone on a bit and sometimes I've posted after a couple of glasses of wine, so if you'd like to quote the posts you are referring to, then I'll apologise for them.

Do you guys really spell it "academa"? I've seen it spelled that way three times in this thread.

not sure how else you would spell it. whenever I see it written I always think of macademia, though.

 

[Lizzie_Borden]

not sure how else you would spell it. whenever I see it written I always think of macademia, though.

Ummm, academia?

And macadamia.

 

[teknight]

Ummm, academia?

And macadamia.

Don't mind her. She's British... They add the letter "u" to words extraneously.

Also...macadamia nuts are delicious.


ETA: some academic nuts are kinda delicious too, come to think of it.....

 

[Cattypuss]

I have never seen the word "academa" before this thread. I've always known it as "academia".

Never mind lol.

I'll just form a spelling splinter group with Lizzie.

 

[intothewoods]

And were you successful at stopping it?

because IMO, I can jump right back in to explain yet again what angers me about osg's pronouncements. And you can quite rudely ignore my explanations, in favor of defending the Eternal Damsel In Distress-- who already has an owner, to boot.

Every control freak has to learn this for themselves; you can't control who posts what on a literotica forum.

Seriously, that is just ridiculous.