George your first non elected President in history...

[LovetoGiveRoses]

Oh, by the way, piffle of the election thing. Every recount and post-election analysis has shown George Bush the winner. Most of these "analysis" were done by organizations affiliated with the opposition too. He won fair and square by all the election laws that were in place prior to the election.

It will be interesting to see how he does in the next election coming up in a couple years.

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

The only one that seems to be crying out about the unfairness of it all (besides you PP), is Algore. However, he is often found to be playing in his own little world without interference from reality.

 

[Algore]

I resent that statement!

I've single-handeely cleaned up toxic waste sites, invented the internet, authored two books, and reinvented myself five times.

It's you who are the pathetic looser with no life hanging out on a porn site while I bravely try to regain my birthright having been usurped by daddy's boy and his friends in the CIA not to mention Bill's constant lying and coniving which I HAD TO BE A PARTY to, had NO choice, had to be loyal to the National Socialist Democratic Party and the far left loonies who bought my first book and acted on it. Like that loyal fighter for truth Ted K...

 

[SINthysist]

Gee Al, BITTER?

 

[miles]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Hey Donkey Dick

Meanwhile Mules . . . the American public and also the Oz public organise protests against the US-Iraq War for Control of Undeveloped OIl Reserves in the Middle East . . . and against the inevidable expansion of that war to include firstly, Iran, and then Saudi Arabia, those naughty Arabs who pushed the U$ oil corporations out of a $US25 Billion gas development project because they wanted to develop their own petro-chemical industry.

Watch it happen . . . and weep when you are conscripted/drafted as cannon fodder for the NE military-industrial complex.

<pssst!! Mules! Didn't they teach you in debating that losing your cool was the first sign of losing the debate? Just in case you didn't know . . . >

Psssssssstt. Donkey. The first sign of losing a debate is making an incredibly stupid statement, then when asked for an explanation, pretend like a question was never asked and discredit your opponent.

You're busted. Have some donkey balls and admit that you had no idea what you were talking about..

Or didn't they teach that in Oz?

 

[miles]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Hey Donkey Dick

Good post, TB4p . . . so please explain something to me about the US election system . . . In Oz we have to account for EVERY vote and voting is preferential and compulsory with fines if you do not attend the polling booth or enter a pre-poll or absentee vote.

Am I correct in assuming that US elections are a matter of almost guess work? I don't understand, after 30 years politicking, how there can be any "margin of error" in a census based election system.

Donkey gets his news from the comics section. Lots of pictures, not much text. Kind of like his comunication style.

 

[teddybear4play]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Hey Donkey Dick

Good post, TB4p . . . so please explain something to me about the US election system . . . In Oz we have to account for EVERY vote and voting is preferential and compulsory with fines if you do not attend the polling booth or enter a pre-poll or absentee vote.

Am I correct in assuming that US elections are a matter of almost guess work? I don't understand, after 30 years politicking, how there can be any "margin of error" in a census based election system.

Because there are screwups. Sometimes people simply don't vote for a presidential candidate and only vote in local races. Sometimes people cast a vote for every candidate except George W. Bush or Al Gore, just to make their hatred of them perfectly clear. Sometimes people write in pencil on a machine-handled ballot. Sometimes people just mess up and cast two votes for president on accident. It happens. Between accidents, machine errors, and intentional non-votes, it happens about 2% of the time.

But what Gore did in Florida was try to rig it so the only counties that conducted the more thorough one-by-one hand count were the four most Democratic counties in the state. Palm Beach County had 19,000 disqualified ballots. But the more Republican Duval County (the Jacksonville metro area) had 26,000 disqualified ballots and half of PBC's population. Gore didn't want to count it.

Had Gore simply asked for an entire state recount, odds are Bush wouldn't have challenged it. Judging by the post-election media recounts, he would still have lost, but he could have left with some semblance of integrity intact.

TB4p

 

[Don K Dyck]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hey Donkey Dick

Because there are screwups. Sometimes people simply don't vote for a presidential candidate and only vote in local races. Sometimes people cast a vote for every candidate except George W. Bush or Al Gore, just to make their hatred of them perfectly clear. Sometimes people write in pencil on a machine-handled ballot. Sometimes people just mess up and cast two votes for president on accident. It happens. Between accidents, machine errors, and intentional non-votes, it happens about 2% of the time.

But what Gore did in Florida was try to rig it so the only counties that conducted the more thorough one-by-one hand count were the four most Democratic counties in the state. Palm Beach County had 19,000 disqualified ballots. But the more Republican Duval County (the Jacksonville metro area) had 26,000 disqualified ballots and half of PBC's population. Gore didn't want to count it.

Had Gore simply asked for an entire state recount, odds are Bush wouldn't have challenged it. Judging by the post-election media recounts, he would still have lost, but he could have left with some semblance of integrity intact. TB4p

Thanks TB4p, now I understand. This is detail our Oz media didn't think was important enuogh to report. On this basis, I can understand why Gore's actions were very suss . . . personally, I would have supported a full State hand recount . . . In Oz, we would have had a full hand recount in the single disputed electorate, but your electoral college system has "all or nothing" consequences, so the whole electorate, Florida State, should have been recounted under Oz rules.

The large number of disqualified ballots must surely be investigated. If it is higher than usual, then there may be evidence of interference or "enthusiastic campaigning". In Oz, even if you appear to be left off the electoral roll, you still get to vote. You simply include a stat dec about your residential address, and your vote is included in the appropriate electoral ballot.

I hope the US electoral system gets revised before the next election.

 

[SINthysist]

It won't be revised because the system isn't broken, just exploitable by those willing to do it. It's rare to even see Republicans accused of vote fraud, that's usually Democratic. The charge against Republicans is intimidation and violence against minorities.

 

[70/30]

Re: Re: Re: Hey Donkey Dick

You're insane. You think the Republicans set up all these contingencies just in case the election would come down to it? Bullshit! They have better things to do.

TB4p

I doubt it, I see a bunch of 'em are in Louisiana at the moment. Really it's pretty funny, Landrieu is going solo and will still wipe up (she did some 18inch dildo anal raping on the debate). Lott, Cheney, DeLay, etc need to realise the majority of Americans don't like them. GWB gets by on his lack of cognitive abilities, no one thinks he could plan a BK birthday party. That's what Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Rove are for---they implement Reagan's military false economy 21st century style. Now we have Kissinger appointed to figure out how BUSH could have fooled 100% instead of just 90% (I'm proud to have been a Bush detractor even at 10:00AM 9/11/01). At least the real reports are finally coming out. By the way, you quoted me earlier for a statement that I didn't make but I usually agree with PP and DON, so you're forgiven.

 

[70/30]

JEB used his elected state office and funds to unfairly attempt to enforce a highly questionable law that prohibits the voting rights of persons that have committed felonies. It was like using a hammer to kill a gnat. Ethnic sounding names are highly prevalent in Florida, the master list of eligible vote was wrong. States that restore their citizen's voting rights weren't allowed to vote. GWB had his people send a list of felons and traffic violators originally from Texas to be denied, guess what they were allowed to vote no matter their criminal history. You'd think the GOV of Texas would know the laws the EXECUTIVE office is supposed to interpret and enforce (lol). Only a handful of counties fully called back those lists, several others looked at the names and gladly went along. They used the intimidation and suppressing the rights of minorities to go along with administrative fraud.

They are corrupt on many levels, I don't see how anyone can fully defend them--well I can see why Texan does.

 

[70/30]

Re: Re: Re: Hey Donkey Dick

You're insane. You think the Republicans set up all these contingencies just in case the election would come down to it? Bullshit! They have better things to do.

TB4p

GWB invested a lot of time and completed many manuvers for the mid-terms, I don't see why he wouldn't have tried doubly hard to gain control of the presidential palace.

The DiIulio Letter is an interesting piece, Don or PP might have missed it so here's the link...

http://www.esquire.com/features/articles/2002/021202_mfe_diiulio_1.html

 

[Don K Dyck]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Hey Donkey Dick

GWB invested a lot of time and completed many manuvers for the mid-terms, I don't see why he wouldn't have tried doubly hard to gain control of the presidential palace.

The DiIulio Letter is an interesting piece, Don or PP might have missed it so here's the link...

http://www.esquire.com/features/articles/2002/021202_mfe_diiulio_1.html

Thanks 70/30, I had not seen it . . . the deception of this Dubyah Shrub Administration rivals that of Tricky Dicky Nixon during Watergate . . .

 

[teddybear4play]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hey Donkey Dick

Thanks 70/30, I had not seen it . . . the deception of this Dubyah Shrub Administration rivals that of Tricky Dicky Nixon during Watergate . . .

I don't recall reading anything about deception in there.

The harshest criticism I saw was that the President and his staff sees things too cut-and-dried and black-and-white. Obviously, in some instances such reductivism is a bad thing, but on many occasions being simplistic isn't bad at all.

TB4p

 

[p_p_man]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Hey Donkey Dick

.The DiIulio Letter is an interesting piece, Don or PP might have missed it so here's the link...

http://www.esquire.com/features/articles/2002/021202_mfe_diiulio_1.html

I would admire him more if he hadn't issued an 'apology', but a revealing letter for all that...

ppman

 

[70/30]

Maybe Poindexter, Ashcroft, Rove, Mueller, and their operatives dug up some dirt on him. The administration doesn't permit dissent (differing of opinion, public or private) unless it is effectively forced upon them. Powell demanding the UN's involvement or he'd resign is a telling example. It could be deemed they bring GroupThink to a level that hasn't been previously witnessed.

However, it's not really GroupThink because the agenda was already set in stone when GWB announced he was running for president. This allows a Makaveli-figure to pragmatically steer the ship-yes according to polls and focus groups--most namely the ones that contribute monetary funds.