Gary Condit is a victim!
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why he is such a great democrat. They don't take responsibility for their actions. Its always someone else fault.(ie Clinton)
why he is such a great democrat. They don't take responsibility for their actions. Its always someone else fault.(ie Clinton)
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A victim of post-traumatic idiocy.
Actually, he is a victim. If you give someone a pass on murder, like OJ, and then continue to hassle them, that is victimization.
Can't we all just get along and let him have his seat without an election?
Actually, he is a victim. If you give someone a pass on murder, like OJ, and then continue to hassle them, that is victimization.
Can't we all just get along and let him have his seat without an election?
bored1 said:Gary Condit is a victim ...........I just saw his son on CNN and he said that it was so!That the media did it to his dad with all the negative stories since last year.Real men take responsibility for their actions.
Well, except, let's trust those policemen(You know, the ones that are America's true heroes) when they said that Mr. Condit isn't a suspect. If Condit didn't actually kill this girl(as the Washington police department seems to think) then isn't he a victim?
Why? Because moron yahoos like AJ think that he is a murderer. He was painted a murderer in the press even though we don't, to this day, have any sort of evidence to back that up.
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Nor do we have Chandra Levy around to tell her side of the story.
Now his side had ommissions, obstructions, and an obliging liberal press. A lot like OJ!
Now his side had ommissions, obstructions, and an obliging liberal press. A lot like OJ!
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Or the current White House!
But that's the whole point AJ. Without Chandra Levy or for that matter a full investigation into the crime(Was a body even recovered?) we have no way of knowing who killed her, or even if she was killed.
My point isn't so much that Condit is innocent, I think one thing that has definitely come out of this is Condit is a sleazebag, but that one of the tenets of most countries court system is that you're innocent until you are proven to be guilty. Condit hasn't been. There's not even the overwhelming evidence that he did anything. You and your ilk, as is the norm, have once again decided that the Constitution only applies when they think it should.
Condit is guilty because he's lied about somethings. How very communist of you AJ.
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Yep, and Charlie Manson is misunderstood.
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Every person should get thier day in court! Everyone should be innocent until proven guilty.
But until he is proven innocent, I don't want the clown sitting in on intelligence hearings and the like.
I think he'll get his today.
Is he a victim? Sure!
A perv? Probably!
A murderer? Maybe!
An innocent? No way...
Politics ain't beanbag!
But until he is proven innocent, I don't want the clown sitting in on intelligence hearings and the like.
I think he'll get his today.
Is he a victim? Sure!
A perv? Probably!
A murderer? Maybe!
An innocent? No way...
Politics ain't beanbag!
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My dear sir,Weevil said:
I am heatly sorry for having offended your sorry ass. Would you like a reasoned argument as to why this fool should not be reelected? We all know the reasons why. Sorry for showing a bit of humor. I will try to better next time. As for being called a liberal I proudly accept the compliment. The rest you can stuff.
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Weevil, should I assume innocence because he lied about some things?
Juries make decisions based upon such things. Why oh why can't I?
Juries make decisions based upon such things. Why oh why can't I?
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sorry to tell you but you too are a liberal. Any one who can defend Condit and blast the White House is a liberal. Thank God because we dont want people like you on our side. (calling people names is a classic Liberal tatic)
sorry to tell you but you too are a liberal. Any one who can defend Condit and blast the White House is a liberal. Thank God because we dont want people like you on our side. (calling people names is a classic Liberal tatic)
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Didn't offend me at all. Stupidity annoys, doesn't offend.
First off, I don't know the reasons why. And it's no business of mine. Or, for that matter, anyone who isn't theoretically in the position of electing him. I'm not from San Jose or wherever so It's not up to me.
Second you're completely wrong. This thread has nothing to do with whether or not Mr. Condit should be re-elected. It's whether or not Mr. Condit has been made a victim of the press with their over zealous reporting of the Chandra Levy incident.
Third, it wasn't funny. Trying to show a bit of humour? try harder.
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True. But in the absence of a suspect, everyone questioned is still suspect. This is still an open investigation, and he still should be removed from congress.
He lied about a missing person at a time when, who knows, perhaps she could have been saved.
He does not deserve to continue to hold elected office.
He cannot be trusted.
Demonstrably.
So, yeah, you're right. He's innocent until proven guilty in the murder/dissappearance. And technically, he's innocent of obstruction of justice too.
He lied about a missing person at a time when, who knows, perhaps she could have been saved.
He does not deserve to continue to hold elected office.
He cannot be trusted.
Demonstrably.
So, yeah, you're right. He's innocent until proven guilty in the murder/dissappearance. And technically, he's innocent of obstruction of justice too.
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Whether or not this toad had a hand in the Levy case matters not. Not in so far of as his smuckiness goes. His first last and continued concern is himself. I don't give a damn if he is a democrat, republican, or a sonombolist. His behavior has been evasive and self serving from the beginning. He is hardly a victem.
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Of course we do. We do it all the time. That's why time served is often subtracted from sentences AFTER the perp has been found guilty...
Sometimes we do it for contempt of court. Ask Susan McDougal (sp?)...
Sometimes we do it for contempt of court. Ask Susan McDougal (sp?)...
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oy vey! He is a public figure whose conduct is all his constituents have to judge him by. He is no victem. He is on the ballot and voters will decide his fate as they have in all of his previous campaigns. Now they know the truth about him and not the image he maintained through the years. Does anyone want to argue that this guy is the family man he said he was? Does anyone want to argue that he was forcoming with the investigation into what happened to Levy? Does anyone want to argue that he was honest with her family of that his statement concerning his reelections impact on the investigation is anything other then bull. Victem my pretty ass.
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And as such, suspicious behavior should lead to higher office?
Yes. We tend to ostracize suspicious people in our lives. If you are involved in a murder investigation, you are looked at differently by others and are usually forced from any positions of leadership.
This guy used his powers of office and other Democrats to hold on to position, power, and (he hoped) prestige. It wasn't going to fly no mater what one was supposed to think about his innocence or guilt.
Yes. We tend to ostracize suspicious people in our lives. If you are involved in a murder investigation, you are looked at differently by others and are usually forced from any positions of leadership.
This guy used his powers of office and other Democrats to hold on to position, power, and (he hoped) prestige. It wasn't going to fly no mater what one was supposed to think about his innocence or guilt.
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So you don't suppose that his voting record and stand on the issues is something to judge your congressman by?
Has he been slimy during the investigation? Sure
Has he acted criminally? very possibly
Did he kill her? Who knows but nobody knows enough to state definitively either way. And if there are people who won't vote for him because they think he did kill her he is, indeed, a victim of the media.
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No, it usually leads one away from it. But that 's a failing of ours. And guess what, Condit probably won't be re-elected. But the simple truth is that if he didn't kill the girl than the media acted irresponsibly and did undeniable harm to his public image. Which is, as our sheepish friend ATR pointed out, very crucial to a politician these days.
