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with saturated ground, high tides and onshore winds, still major flooding about to occur in southern chesapeake and atlantic coastal areas. affects of ian still part of the problem.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/t...pc=U531&cvid=efe19f2ddd4647f69c383dbae073e6dd
A “significant multi-day coastal flood event” is expected to generate from a low-pressure system offshore merging with the remnants of Hurricane Ian to create a nor’easter, the city said in a news release.
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The threat extends over a large area, with coastal flood warnings or advisories covering over 20 million people from Long Island to the North Carolina Outer Banks. Some locations around Hampton Roads and Virginia Beach could see extensive flooding and their highest water levels in five to 10 years, according to the weather service.
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A dozen gauges are expected to reach a major flood stage at high tide Monday afternoon over coastal Virginia, Maryland and North Carolina. Water is expected to be 2 to 3 feet above ground level in some areas.
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1576873393634222081
 
Poor Dummy Patrol.

Florida’s problem is 100 years old.

Has nothing to do with R v D

When you fill wetlands for real estate development, the ability of the land to absorb storm water is compromised.

That’s why Florida was, is and remains vulnerable to storm surge.
 
Locally, we had a bronze age village found by archaeologists on the site of a new housing estate. It had been occupied for perhaps three or four years before it was abandoned because of flooding. They moved to higher land.

The new estate? Suffers from flooding. The developers learned nothing from the archaeology or local residents' concerns.
 
butters said:
with saturated ground, high tides and onshore winds, still major flooding about to occur in southern chesapeake and atlantic coastal areas. affects of ian still part of the problem.
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Ian continues. The water is up to the steps of the Chrysler Museum in Norfolk, Virginia, at this moment. Still getting gusts of wind and dreary conditions here at the foot of the Blue Ridge.
 
KeithD said:
Ian continues. The water is up to the steps of the Chrysler Museum in Norfolk, Virginia, at this moment. Still getting gusts of wind and dreary conditions here at the foot of the Blue Ridge.
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I’ve ridden the BR Parkway on my vintage mc twice. Parts of the Carolinas are nearly as nice as Canada.

Glad I’m not on the OBX.
 
adrina said:
So how radically are you going to alter your lifestyle in order to stave off the effects of climate change? How radically are you going to petition your neighbors to alter their lifestyles in order to stave off climate change?

It's the height of hubris to point at the areas affected instead of taking responsibility for your role in creating the situation that has led to these environmental disasters. But please do continue yelling at me like an old man shouting at clouds in the sky. Granted it doesn't seem to do anything for you and you certainly aren't making any ground on any logical basis. All you're doing is just essentially being pissed off. But one has to ask are you being pissed off at the right thing? I don't think so. In not one single bit of any of your diatribes have you stepped up to the plate and acknowledged your role and the role of society as a whole in creating the situation of climate change. It's just easier to blame those affected.
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Nothing radical about the link I posted about how a community should be built to withstand the changes. But stay in denial.

Americans should not have to pay to clean up or rebuild disasters like this. This is a State responsibility. If you want loans....fine....the Federal Govt can help there. But it isn't our responsibility to help build something that will be damaged again in the next 20 years.
 
adrina said:
Your cavalier attitude towards the environment is irresponsible. Our entire economy is based on the environment. If we keep up this pace we won't have any economy because there will be too few resources to base one off of. Especially with the levels of greed in corporate and capitalist culture.

This is an everyone problem.
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Is it? Or is it your problem for not holding your elected officials accountable? Can't be both.
 
Dribble said:
Americans should not have to pay to clean up or rebuild disasters like this. This is a State responsibility. If you want loans....fine....the Federal Govt can help there. But it isn't our responsibility to help build something that will be damaged again in the next 20 years.
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“ Could I interest you in a great deal on some Florida swampland?”

Florida as we know it was created by northerners as a southern playground for northeners.

So yes, its upkeep is a federal responsibility.
 
Dribble said:
Nothing radical about the link I posted about how a community should be built to withstand the changes. But stay in denial.

Americans should not have to pay to clean up or rebuild disasters like this. This is a State responsibility. If you want loans....fine....the Federal Govt can help there. But it isn't our responsibility to help build something that will be damaged again in the next 20 years.
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Dribble said:
Is it? Or is it your problem for not holding your elected officials accountable? Can't be both.
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So in other words no you aren't willing to do anything or change any of your lifestyle that would actually help to fix or address the situation of climate change. You just want to yell and blame the people affected by it the most extremely. Okie dokie.

I'm sure that will be an effective strategy for handling climate change and how it affects people and the planet. 👍
 
The UK's Environment Agency has caused outrage because it has announced that there are some places where it would be impossibly expensive or totally impractical to stop rising sea levels.

Those properties that are affected are now unsaleable, but they were built where they shouldn't have been.

When my brother and his wife set up their first home 70 years ago, they knew their house was at risk of eroding cliffs. That is why they could afford to buy it. At the time, the cliff edge was 150 yards away and retreating about a yard in an ordinary year. (5 yards in a bad year).

But fifty years ago, after my brother and his wife had sold and moved away, the locals installed a rock barrier at the foot of the cliffs. Since then, the cliff has retreated one foot.

But the rock barrier needs replacing and the Environment Agency has said it should not be because the cliff erosion supplies sand to beaches along the coast and without that, two large towns are at risk.

The locals are adding rocks in the dead of night and denying all knowledge!
 
adrina said:
So in other words no you aren't willing to do anything or change any of your lifestyle that would actually help to fix or address the situation of climate change. You just want to yell and blame the people affected by it the most extremely. Okie dokie.

I'm sure that will be an effective strategy for handling climate change and how it affects people and the planet. 👍
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Don't be a cunt. I am 100% confident I live far greener than you ever will. But nice try at deflecting. This isn't about me. It is about Floridians expecting the Federal Govt to bail them out once again for how they choose to live.

I see you chose not to answer any questions I asked. I see you say nothing about a community that took a direct hit just 12 miles inland from total devastation that suffered negligible damage because they chose to build themselves to contend with climate change. Focus on the real issue. Not attacking the messenger.

Your state chooses to not have an income tax. Your state chooses to play politics. Your state chooses to rebuild in localities that will be impacted again and again and again. It is your choice....so you should pay for it. Understand...Biden is a stupid old man...living in a reality that no longer exists. The days of free money to rebuild from the inevitable disasters will not always be there.
 
But we pay property taxes....
Hate to inform you...the destroyed communities have no value to pay.

But we pay sales taxes....
Hate to inform you, communities that have the kind of destruction seen here don't have money to buy things.

That means...where will the rest of your state recoup the lost tax base from? It isn't rocket science.
 
Dribble said:
Don't be a cunt. I am 100% confident I live far greener than you ever will. But nice try at deflecting. This isn't about me. It is about Floridians expecting the Federal Govt to bail them out once again for how they choose to live.

I see you chose not to answer any questions I asked. I see you say nothing about a community that took a direct hit just 12 miles inland from total devastation that suffered negligible damage because they chose to build themselves to contend with climate change. Focus on the real issue. Not attacking the messenger.

Your state chooses to not have an income tax. Your state chooses to play politics. Your state chooses to rebuild in localities that will be impacted again and again and again. It is your choice....so you should pay for it. Understand...Biden is a stupid old man...living in a reality that no longer exists. The days of free money to rebuild from the inevitable disasters will not always be there.
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You keep making personal attacks and assigning positions to me that I don't hold. In the meantime all you've done is treated the state as a monolith where there are no differences among people. You are lashing out and speaking in ignorance, and in the process using me as your whipping pole.

Frankly if you really want to have any kind of difference you'll work with the rest of us who volunteer, write letters, phone bank, actively vote in every election and try to get others to do so.

Or you can just be a bitter asshole on the net. I think it's pretty obvious which route you have chosen.

I'm going to do what I should have done from the beginning. Leave this thread and you in the dust. I'm sure there's somebody else you can use to vent your anger.
 
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