Florida and hurricanes

[adrina]

All you've done is spew invective and hurl insults. You don't know my perspective but you're very happy with assuming what it is to feed your anger. Have fun. Without me.

 

[YDB95]

If you suddenly don't have a house, or a car, or a workplace, or maybe some family members, is voting even in your realm of thought?

I don't see why it wouldn't be, especially if my governor had a history of opposing disaster relief for other states.

 

[Dribble]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/02/us/solar-babcock-ranch-florida-hurricane-ian-climate/index.html

An example of what can be just 12 miles from devastation in Ft Myers. It isn't rocket science.

 

[Dribble]

All you've done is spew invective and hurl insults. You don't know my perspective but you're very happy with assuming what it is to feed your anger. Have fun. Without me.

Ohhh....a poor Floridian....help us help us. I have no problem helping you if the money is spent responsibly reducing the impact of future storms. But keep growing your pineapples and stay locked in denial. This is a problem cause it will only be getting worse due to climate change. It shouldn't be the rest of the Country's responsibility to build you back just to be destroyed again. One-third of ALL hurricane landfalls occur in your state. One-third. Don't you think that is a little disproportionate? And I can't help it your Governor voted to withhold funding for other hurricanes. That is on the citizens of your state. I also can't help he uses public funding for political showmanship by flying legal asylum seekers to other blue states. Again....that is on you. You criticise me for hatred. Well....you....and every last Floridian deserves our hatred. The state you choose to live in is sucking us dry. It is causing political division. Not me. Your state. Not mine. Yours.

 

[adrina]

Yeah no anger issues there. Seek help.

 

[Dribble]

Yeah no anger issues there. Seek help.

Yea....fix your State....seek help.

 

[Dribble]

See how they can't even admit what I am saying is true? Just attack the messenger.

1) is climate change an issue?
2) Has one-third of all hurricanes that made landfall in the US since 1850 occurred in Florida?
3) Is Florida building in a way that make storm surge a greater issue?
4) is Florida replacing valuable marsh land that acts as a buffer to storm surge?
5) Does Florida have a Governor that voted against hurricane disaster funding elsewhere?
6) Does Florida have a Governor more interested in political games than helping their citizens move into the new reality of rising sea levels?

How many do i need to list? State's rights....that is what Republican run states want. I am all for State's rights...as long as I and my state doesn't have to pay for your State's poor choices.

 

[jaF0]

More dribbling of stupid.

 

[adrina]

So how radically are you going to alter your lifestyle in order to stave off the effects of climate change? How radically are you going to petition your neighbors to alter their lifestyles in order to stave off climate change?

It's the height of hubris to point at the areas affected instead of taking responsibility for your role in creating the situation that has led to these environmental disasters. But please do continue yelling at me like an old man shouting at clouds in the sky. Granted it doesn't seem to do anything for you and you certainly aren't making any ground on any logical basis. All you're doing is just essentially being pissed off. But one has to ask are you being pissed off at the right thing? I don't think so. In not one single bit of any of your diatribes have you stepped up to the plate and acknowledged your role and the role of society as a whole in creating the situation of climate change. It's just easier to blame those affected.

 

[icanhelp1]

Eh so I'm wrong. Reality is foolish building practices are all over the states. Jersey shore. California quake zones. Oregon flood plains. Midwest tornadoes. Etc.

I agree with your premise, you can add volcanoes to your list. The earth is in constant flux, you can't accurately predict the next disaster. The US could throw every penny it has at climate change which will result in no change except a complete collapse of our economy. Europe is starting to see the light, the green movement at the expense of a reasonable lifestyle is ludicrous. Fighting global warming is an all hands on deck issue and has to transition as technology permits. Laying waste to global economies is not the answer. Unless governments and ideologues accept the fact that neutral carbon energy has to be produced by carbon neutral sources which includes a healthy dose of nuclear power sources and CO2 scrubbers, and WHEN ONLY HALF THE COUNTRIES ON THE PLANET PARTICIPATE then we will be shoveling shit against the fan!

I find your attitude of throwing out the baby with the bathwater to be offensive. I get where irritations lay but the reality is it is a team effort. Even if we aren't acting like a team right now.


Apparently I'm wrong. Sue me. At least I'm not a trumper.

 

[ll74]

I agree with your premise, you can add volcanoes to your list. The earth is in constant flux, you can't accurately predict the next disaster. The US could throw every penny it has at climate change which will result in no change except a complete collapse of our economy. Europe is starting to see the light, the green movement at the expense of a reasonable lifestyle is ludicrous. Fighting global warming is an all hands on deck issue and has to transition as technology permits. Laying waste to global economies is not the answer. Unless governments and ideologues accept the fact that neutral carbon energy has to be produced by carbon neutral sources which includes a healthy dose of nuclear power sources and CO2 scrubbers, and WHEN ONLY HALF THE COUNTRIES ON THE PLANET PARTICIPATE then we will be shoveling shit against the fan!

Volcanoes are part of the natural cycle. They were here before humans and will be here after. Climate scientists already include them in their models. The variable is humans.

But yah...the whole .."they won't do it so I won't do it" technique is brilliant.....that's why leaders are important ¯⁠\⁠(⁠°⁠_⁠o⁠)⁠/⁠¯

 

[sandybrooke]

We build on swamps and barrier islands in known hurricane areas and are shocked by devastation. Building codes should be changed to reflect wind and water damage or the builders will sue local municipal boards to build as per the current codes.
Stop the madness! If you build and BUY in a known flood plain don't cry about getting wet.
I don't want to pay for your stupidity.

 

[oggbashan]

Locally there is an outcry because the Government's Environment Agency has announced that it will not defend about 100 houses built on or behind a weak sea wall.

Almost all the houses were originally built as large beach huts and have been modernized/replaced by more substantial buildings but the owners knew they were vulnerable to the sea. Now those houses are unsalable, when in fact they should never have been built.

Also locally a new estate is called 'Stillwaters'. They might be a hint that they are vulnerable to flooding, as is an area about 50 miles away known as 'Noah's Ark' because it was a mound in a flood plain. But now housing estates surround Noah's Ark, built ON the flood plain. Idiots!

 

[adrina]

I agree with your premise, you can add volcanoes to your list. The earth is in constant flux, you can't accurately predict the next disaster. The US could throw every penny it has at climate change which will result in no change except a complete collapse of our economy. Europe is starting to see the light, the green movement at the expense of a reasonable lifestyle is ludicrous. Fighting global warming is an all hands on deck issue and has to transition as technology permits. Laying waste to global economies is not the answer. Unless governments and ideologues accept the fact that neutral carbon energy has to be produced by carbon neutral sources which includes a healthy dose of nuclear power sources and CO2 scrubbers, and WHEN ONLY HALF THE COUNTRIES ON THE PLANET PARTICIPATE then we will be shoveling shit against the fan!

Your cavalier attitude towards the environment is irresponsible. Our entire economy is based on the environment. If we keep up this pace we won't have any economy because there will be too few resources to base one off of. Especially with the levels of greed in corporate and capitalist culture.

This is an everyone problem.

 

[jaF0]

Volcanoes are part of the natural cycle. They were here before humans and will be here after.

Same for Hurricanes, Tornadoes, Earthquakes, Blizzards, Thunderstorms, Dust Storms, Wildfires ......

 

[ll74]

Same for Hurricanes, Tornadoes, Earthquakes, Blizzards, Thunderstorms, Dust Storms, Wildfires ......

Yah, those things are a little different

 

[oggbashan]

Same for Hurricanes, Tornadoes, Earthquakes, Blizzards, Thunderstorms, Dust Storms, Wildfires ......

Some of them are predictable and could be planned for. Where and how buildings are constructed should take account of the things that are predictable. Don't build in floodplains. Don't build close to trees. Build hurricane-proof houses. Build earthquake-resistant buildings. The technology exists but there is a cost.

 

[ll74]

Some of them are predictable and could be planned for. Where and how buildings are constructed should take account of the things that are predictable. Don't build in floodplains. Don't build close to trees. Build hurricane-proof houses. Build earthquake-resistant buildings. The technology exists but there is a cost.

The problem is that weather events are more prominently of higher intensity. So planning for one is much more complex. Tornadoes are more frequently F5s. Hurricanes and Typhoons are typically cat4 and above....

Now.

Twenty years ago, planning for Cat2 or F1 was the norm.

 

[oggbashan]

My house was built in 1939 by a builder for himself. It is typically more sturdy than ones built for sale.

But most Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays in it shaken by explosions across the estuary where the Ministry of Defence destroys time-expired ordnance. Some of my neighbours with more modern houses have had to claim for damage, but our house has had no damage in the twenty years we have lived here.

 

[icanhelp1]

Your cavalier attitude towards the environment is irresponsible. Our entire economy is based on the environment. If we keep up this pace we won't have any economy because there will be too few resources to base one off of. Especially with the levels of greed in corporate and capitalist culture.

This is an everyone problem.

Our entire economy is based on brain power, learning to use our natural resources in a responsible manner is what we should strive for. Can't make up for a century of using fossil fuel, the foundation for every industrialized nation, by wishing it would go away and the carbon neutral pixies would fix everything. Rushing into unproven and untested feel good remedies is a thing that cultist do not rational human beings. What's irresponsible is destroying yourself trying to save yourself. We know what causes CO2 emissions and global warming, what we have to do is transition at a rate that technology allows us to. Creating a waste stream that create a bigger problem is not the answer. Manufacturing green energy products while polluting half the planet to accommodate the other half is insanity.

 

[jaF0]

Tornadoes are more frequently F5s.

In 69 years, there have been 59 Tornadoes rated F5 or EF5. The last one was in 2013. 1974 had 7 and 2011 had 6. In short, they are far less common now.


https://www.spc.noaa.gov/faq/tornado/f5torns.html

Hurricanes and Typhoons are typically cat4 and above....

Now.

Twenty years ago, planning for Cat2 or F1 was the norm.

There has not been an official Category 5 Hurricane since 2019 (though Ian was within 2MPH). There were 4 in 2005. There were 6 in the 1930s and there have only been 38 total since 1924 and only 19 were rated as 5 at landfall.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Category_5_Atlantic_hurricanes

 

[jaF0]

"The number of Category 4 and 5 hurricanes appears to have nearly doubled in occurrence from 1970 to 2004. It is likely that the increase in Atlantic tropical storm and hurricane frequency is primarily due to improved monitoring."


[Note 'improved monitoring' does not mean more have occurred, only that more are identified.]



"A total of 94 hurricanes in the Atlantic Ocean Basin, including the Gulf of Mexico and the Caribbean, have reached Category 4 status as their peak intensity. (Note that Category 4 storms that intensified later to Category 5 status are not included in this analysis.)"



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Category_4_Atlantic_hurricanes

 

[ll74]

In 69 years, there have been 59 Tornadoes rated F5 or EF5. The last one was in 2013. 1974 had 7 and 2011 had 6. In short, they are far less common now.


https://www.spc.noaa.gov/faq/tornado/f5torns.html




There has not been an official Category 5 Hurricane since 2019 (though Ian was within 2MPH). There were 4 in 2005. There were 6 in the 1930s and there have only been 38 total since 1924 and only 19 were rated as 5 at landfall.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Category_5_Atlantic_hurricanes

Cool, now do F4 and Cat4

 

[adrina]

Our entire economy is based on brain power, learning to use our natural resources in a responsible manner is what we should strive for. Can't make up for a century of using fossil fuel, the foundation for every industrialized nation, by wishing it would go away and the carbon neutral pixies would fix everything. Rushing into unproven and untested feel good remedies is a thing that cultist do not rational human beings. What's irresponsible is destroying yourself trying to save yourself. We know what causes CO2 emissions and global warming, what we have to do is transition at a rate that technology allows us to. Creating a waste stream that create a bigger problem is not the answer. Manufacturing green energy products while polluting half the planet to accommodate the other half is insanity.

Our entire economy is based on using our natural resources for profit to benefit a very small percentage of our population. Period.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Gaetz just voted against his home state of Florida getting relief funds for Ian.