FBI: Deplorables are in BIG trouble and should be peeing themselves

[HisArpy]

But the US government did - Extraordinary Rendition and GITMO.

Let's not forget about the Japanese internments either.

Government can authorize itself to do whatever it wants. That some people don't understand or believe it, changes nothing.

 

[butters]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1555313560716075013

https://twitter.com/x/status/1555315182469058566

 

[jaF0]

Carrying a deadly weapon inside a Restricted Access Government building during the commission of a crime is not 'public'.

Try carrying a firearm into ANY US Courthouse and see what you get.

 

[HisArpy]

Carrying a deadly weapon inside a Restricted Access Government building during the commission of a crime is not 'public'.

Try carrying a firearm into ANY US Courthouse and see what you get.

Congress isn't a courthouse. Historically, weapons were routinely allowed inside the building. Further, the entire congress complex is "public" since it is owned by the American people and the public was allowed to freely enter at will until only recently.

Your argument also fails the basic understanding of Constitutional law as elucidated in Bruen regarding the bearing of arms. The US Constitution is the supreme law of the land. Congress cannot enact Federal laws which are outside of its specific authorities/powers or which attempt to supercede the guarantees which are enumerated in the Constitution. Per the arbiter of all things Constitutional, the 2nd Amendment guarantees that "we the people" have a Right to bear arms in public. The only limits on that Right are based on the text (shall not be infringed) and historical understanding/tradition (no bearing of arms in polling places or courthouses) at the time of ratification.

Guess where your idea that the public cannot bear arms inside the capital falls.

 

[butters]

straka desperately wriggles online, assuring people his dealings with authority were minimal and had no bad repercussions for other insurrectionists

judge says: 'do what, now?'

“It’s been brought to my attention that Mr. Straka has been making questionable comments about the truth of his plea and the nature of his cooperation,” Friedrich said at a hearing earlier this week. “I want to know, should I be expecting a motion to withdraw his plea? Because I would gladly hold a hearing.”

“It makes me question every statement he made to me at the time of sentencing. Every single one. He’s losing more credibility by the moment,” she said of Straka’s comments. “What he needs to appreciate is he is potentially incriminating himself.”

“He faces exposure for making false statements to federal law enforcement officers,” Friedrich told Straka’s lawyer. “So I suggest you advise him to show the discretion that he did not show before January 6.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebr...sedgntp&cvid=9bdafd52b9e34e58aa5cbfd6a510b5ed

no idea why the article ran with 'gay' in the headline, as that's irrelevant to the facts of the matter. he's a slug

 

[butters]

Ohio man who was seen kicking in a window at the Capitol on Jan. 6, while wearing a jacket displaying his last name, the name of his business and its phone number, pleaded guilty Friday to destroying government property.

guess that shot at free publicity didn't quite pan out for the best

Screenshots from the video were posted on social media. According to court filings, one Facebook commenter wrote, “Jeez, man. You wore your company jacket into the middle of the insurrection?”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...sedgntp&cvid=830e66a2ea4b4db5b3e9c9f9d6a607f9

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Congress isn't a courthouse. Historically, weapons were routinely allowed inside the building. Further, the entire congress complex is "public" since it is owned by the American people and the public was allowed to freely enter at will until only recently.

*chuckles*
Yes...

U.S. Capitol & U.S. Capitol Visitor Center (which opened in 2008).
The public entrance to the U.S. Capitol is through the U.S. Capitol Visitor Center.
The U.S. Capitol is open to the public for tours Monday – Saturday from 8:30 a.m. – 4:30 p.m. It is closed on Sundays, Thanksgiving Day, Christmas Day, New Year's Day, and Inauguration Day.

Now prior to 2008 it was still not free public assess, but I guess to HisArpy 2008 is just "recent".

 

[jaF0]

Gee, wish I could be surprised ......

Armed man who was at Capitol on Jan. 6 is fatally shot after firing into an FBI field office in Cincinnati​

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/ip3/www.nbcnews.com.icoNBC News|2 hours ago
The suspect was armed with an AR-15 style rifle when he fired into the FBI office building with a nail gun. He fled and a standoff followed.




But then .....

Ex-Cop Faces 87 Months In Prison For Jan. 6 Riot—Tying For Longest Sentence​

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/ip3/www.forbes.com.icoForbes|1 hour ago
An off-duty Virginia police officer was sentenced to more than seven years in prison for confronting local cops and entering the Capitol building with a wooden stick on January 6

 

[coati]

It's gratifying to see so many J6 Deplorables getting locked up or suffering worse fates because of their violent sense of entitlement. Lock 'em all up until they quit pissing on everyone else's rights!

 

[butters]

defendant tries to bond with Reagan-appointed judge by asking who did the judge think the defendant's favourite president was; when the judge refused to answer, he answered himself "Reagan" and went on the recite the Pledge of Allegiance. ffs... judge delivers him a lecture instead

“I keep hearing from Jan. 6 defendants, ‘We’re being prosecuted,’ like it’s a surprise, or ‘We’re being persecuted,’ like it’s unfair. I do not understand that psychology,” Hogan told him. “What irritates me most is that all of you are claiming you’re patriots; you’re not patriots when you attack the Capitol of the United States.”

He compared the Jan. 6 rioters to “a lynching mob” in which the support and encouragement of more passive members like Cameron was crucial: “A mob doesn’t act alone.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a...pc=U531&cvid=e4c77c9eb06243008134485c6dda5a79

 

[HisArpy]

*chuckles*
Yes...

U.S. Capitol & U.S. Capitol Visitor Center (which opened in 2008).
The public entrance to the U.S. Capitol is through the U.S. Capitol Visitor Center.
The U.S. Capitol is open to the public for tours Monday – Saturday from 8:30 a.m. – 4:30 p.m. It is closed on Sundays, Thanksgiving Day, Christmas Day, New Year's Day, and Inauguration Day.

Now prior to 2008 it was still not free public assess, but I guess to HisArpy 2008 is just "recent".

You think 2008, which was only 15 years ago, isn't "recent"?

Lol. You're a complete dipshit.

 

[ll74]

You think 2008, which was only 15 years ago, isn't "recent"?

Lol. You're a complete dipshit.

The 1960s are recent to some of you dipshits (and you're still pissed)

 

[Fuzzy1975]

You think 2008, which was only 15 years ago, isn't "recent"?

Lol. You're a complete dipshit.

*chuckles* No I don't consider 2008 to be "recent". Nor do I consider water to be carbon based. Prior to 2008 the capital buildings were not "walk on in anytime you like", as you proposed. Visitors had to book their tours though Member Representative staff. The Center was opened to alleviate that time consuming burden.

Seriously HisArpy, if you just did a little research on what you think are facts, you'd not post so much stupidity....but, we all know you won't, and I truly thank you for all the laughter.......

 

[HisArpy]

*chuckles* No I don't consider 2008 to be "recent". Nor do I consider water to be carbon based. Prior to 2008 the capital buildings were not "walk on in anytime you like", as you proposed. Visitors had to book their tours though Member Representative staff. The Center was opened to alleviate that time consuming burden.

Seriously HisArpy, if you just did a little research on what you think are facts, you'd not post so much stupidity....but, we all know you won't, and I truly thank you for all the laughter.......

You know dude, you're all over the fucking map with your bullshit.

YOU brought up 2008 and now say "it's not recent" even though it was only 15 years ago. MEANWHILE back in reality, we have 200 years of history beginning approximately around the year 1776 where citizens COULD bring arms into the capitol.

15 years versus 200 years of solid interrupted history... hmmm... I wonder which is the "more recent" set of rules for bring arms to the capitol?

This also seems to have issues in regards to the holding in NYSRPA v. Bruen whereby "modern" laws/rules/regulations which prohibit bearing arms are against the Constitution because they aren't what was understood at the time of ratification.

So, what we have is a set of rules from 2008 versus the opposite history supported by US Supreme Court precedent. And you somehow think your version is the one that's correct?

After that you try to deflect to "booking" visits as if that has ANYTHING to do with bearing arms in the capitol.

You're all over the map and your travels ain't pretty. Not that they've ever been anything other than very very ugly anyway.

 

[phrodeau]

2008 was 14 years ago, I’m nearly certain.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

You know dude, you're all over the fucking map with your bullshit.

Really? hows that carbon based water tasting these days?

YOU brought up 2008 and now say "it's not recent" even though it was only 15 years ago.

Yes I bought up 2008. That was when the Visitors centre opened....sorry you didn't know about that.

15 years versus 200 years of solid interrupted history... hmmm... I wonder which is the "more recent" set of rules for bring arms to the capitol?

Can you say Mulford.....I think you can...is 1969 recent?

Seriously HisArpy, it's bad enough when your fellow Americans show how fucking uneducated you are about America in general, and American history, it's gota be worse when it comes from a Canadian.....*chuckles*

 

[HisArpy]

Really? hows that carbon based water tasting these days?

Pretty dam fine. You should try some instead of the swamp water you're currently imbibing.

Yes I bought up 2008. That was when the Visitors centre opened....sorry you didn't know about that.

And? What has this got to do with visitors not being able to exercise their Constitutional Rights as they had been up until recent times?

Can you say Mulford.....I think you can...is 1969 recent?

I dunno. Is that before or after the "antebellum period" which Justice Thomas mentioned in the recent NSYRPA v. Bruen case? You know, the case where he states that "modern" laws, of which the Antebellum period and certainly laws created in the 20th century which go against the text of the 2nd Amendment as well as our history and tradition, are UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

Perhaps in your head the US Constitution was ratified in 1969 instead of 1786?

Or is it as simple a theory that your googley-fool skilz are lacking?

Seriously HisArpy, it's bad enough when your fellow Americans show how fucking uneducated you are about America in general, and American history, it's gota be worse when it comes from a Canadian.....*chuckles*

It's really sad that you seem to believe that your lack of actual knowledge on anything US puts you into a position where you spewing lies and misinformation means that you're "smart."

I'd tell you to do an internet search for the answer but we both already know you'd fuck it up because that's what you do.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Pretty dam fine. You should try some instead of the swamp water you're currently imbibing.


And? What has this got to do with visitors not being able to exercise their Constitutional Rights as they had been up until recent times?


I dunno. Is that before or after the "antebellum period" which Justice Thomas mentioned in the recent NSYRPA v. Bruen case? You know, the case where he states that "modern" laws, of which the Antebellum period and certainly laws created in the 20th century which go against the text of the 2nd Amendment as well as our history and tradition, are UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

Perhaps in your head the US Constitution was ratified in 1969 instead of 1786?

Or is it as simple a theory that your googley-fool skilz are lacking?


It's really sad that you seem to believe that your lack of actual knowledge on anything US puts you into a position where you spewing lies and misinformation means that you're "smart."

I'd tell you to do an internet search for the answer but we both already know you'd fuck it up because that's what you do

Do you even recall your post on this....ok let me refresh your memory....

Congress isn't a courthouse. Historically, weapons were routinely allowed inside the building. Further, the entire congress complex is "public" since it is owned by the American people and the public was allowed to freely enter at will until only recently.

Your argument also fails the basic understanding of Constitutional law as elucidated in Bruen regarding the bearing of arms. The US Constitution is the supreme law of the land. Congress cannot enact Federal laws which are outside of its specific authorities/powers or which attempt to supercede the guarantees which are enumerated in the Constitution. Per the arbiter of all things Constitutional, the 2nd Amendment guarantees that "we the people" have a Right to bear arms in public. The only limits on that Right are based on the text (shall not be infringed) and historical understanding/tradition (no bearing of arms in polling places or courthouses) at the time of ratification.

Guess where your idea that the public cannot bear arms inside the capital falls.

So, as I have pointed out, in green that was a long time ago. Second, in yellow I have pointed out, no the public cannot just come and go as they please. Not in a long long time.....Last in red, I have shown that members of the public cannot bear arms inside the capital buildings without a permit...

So please keep on, doing what ever it is you do in your mind......I was never arguing the Constitution, just the fact you can't just walk around the Capital buildings as you wish, and you can't be armed doing so......but please go there armed and try, maybe walk on down to Nancy's office...you're a lawyer, you could beat the charge I'm sure......*chuckles*

 

[HisArpy]

Do you even recall your post on this....ok let me refresh your memory....

So, as I have pointed out, in green that was a long time ago. Second, in yellow I have pointed out, no the public cannot just come and go as they please. Not in a long long time.....Last in red, I have shown that members of the public cannot bear arms inside the capital buildings without a permit...

So please keep on, doing what ever it is you do in your mind......I was never arguing the Constitution, just the fact you can't just walk around the Capital buildings as you wish, and you can't be armed doing so......but please go there armed and try, maybe walk on down to Nancy's office...you're a lawyer, you could beat the charge I'm sure......*chuckles*

dudly, you are SOOOO FUCKED IN THE HEAD that you cannot even acknowledge that what you wrote defies actual history. Here's a quickie outline for you:

1786 = the US Constitution is fully ratified. Under the opinion of the US Supreme Court in NYSRPA vs. Bruen, the meaning of the words in the Constitution/Bill of Rights are to be interpreted as they were understood at the time of ratification. Antebellum and "modern era" laws (post 1900) which contravene the text, history and tradition of the US, as understood at the time of ratification, are unconstitutional.

1969 = 183 years of history where people could freely bear arms in the capitol.

2008 = the visitors center was created. Carrying weapons was prohibited.


Thus, your belief that somehow the visitors center could overruled the Constitution is misplaced. Saying that 1969 isn't "recent" is just stupid. Trying to say the same thing about 2008 is even more stupid.


You need to sit down and relax with a tall glass of carbon based water and cool off.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

dudly, you are SOOOO FUCKED IN THE HEAD that you cannot even acknowledge that what you wrote defies actual history. Here's a quickie outline for you:

1786 = the US Constitution is fully ratified. Under the opinion of the US Supreme Court in NYSRPA vs. Bruen, the meaning of the words in the Constitution/Bill of Rights are to be interpreted as they were understood at the time of ratification. Antebellum and "modern era" laws (post 1900) which contravene the text, history and tradition of the US, as understood at the time of ratification, are unconstitutional.

1969 = 183 years of history where people could freely bear arms in the capitol. (can you say Mulford, see my post about that way way way back)

2008 = the visitors center was created. Carrying weapons was prohibited. ( and who pointed that out see my post way way way back)


Thus, your belief that somehow the visitors center could overruled the Constitution is misplaced. Saying that 1969 isn't "recent" is just stupid. Trying to say the same thing about 2008 is even more stupid. (who said they considered 2008 as recent history, must be the same person who thinks 1969 is recent history see your post way way way back)


You need to sit down and relax with a tall glass of carbon based water and cool off. ( sorry but water is not carbon based,we spent three days and 7 pages of post showing you it wasn't, but here we are with you saying it)

Thanks for finally agreeing with what I said way way way back in this thread.....*chuckles*

 

[HisArpy]

Thanks for finally agreeing with what I said way way way back in this thread.....*chuckles*

??? Where did you previously say you were fucked in the head???

 

[Fuzzy1975]

??? Where did you previously say you were fucked in the head???

*chuckles* deflection #6

 

[phrodeau]

A woman who flew on a private plane to the nation's capital ahead of the Jan. 6 riot pleaded guilty Thursday to engaging in disruptive or disorderly conduct in a restricted building.

Katherine Schwab of Texas, who said she accepted an offer to fly on the personal aircraft of a Facebook friend, admitted writing in messages before the Capitol attack that "s--t will go down" and that she needed to "stop the steal."

Schwab admitted to kicking and throwing media equipment with other members of the mob outside the Capitol.

“I went into the f---ing Capitol," Schwab admitted saying in a video recording on the day of the riot, calling police “traitors,” “sheep” and “pathetic."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/ju...n-6-riot-threw-media-equipment-capi-rcna43829

 

[butters]

describing attempts to get Chuck Shumer out safely and being pursued by pruitt

"Every day I enter the beacon of our country, the U.S. Capitol, I relive the memories of that day, and none are as impactful as the moments I saw Mr. Pruitt approaching us with the intent to inflict harm to the Majority Leader of the United States Senate," a Capitol Police special agent identified by his initials, M.L., wrote in a letter to the judge, asking for Pruitt to receive the maximum prison sentence.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/p...pc=U531&cvid=bf67599a80b1477ca6cd0efeb6285f92

 

[butters]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...pc=U531&cvid=598f2dd4e732416ee3b3a34ce122c2e0

another one arrested by the FBI carrying out a warrant at a home address

they think they've got away with shit just because they've not been picked up yet, but one by one by one they fall into the net and get hauled to the surface

Court documents show that the FBI sent a search warrant to Google to obtain the ID of Russell’s electronic device. The search warrant also gave the FBI GPS information for the device which showed the device accessed Wi-Fi and Bluetooth access points in the Capitol.

The GPS information from Google shows that the device owned by Russell was on restricted grounds of the Capitol during the Capitol riots.

The FBI then obtained records from AT&T that show the mobile device was registered to Russell and showed a Falkville address.

On Jan. 19, Russell posted a picture of him and his wife standing in front of the Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool. In the picture, Russell is wearing the same outfit that is seen in pictures of him during the riots.