Exactly how Libertarianism be better than Feudalism?

[LJ_Reloaded]

In a Libertarian society, what is publicly owned and what is privately owned? In a Feudal society, what is publicly owned and what is privately owned?

People who worked on land owned by someone else (a Lord) during Feudal days were called serfs. What are they called in a Libertarian society? What inalienable rights did they have in Feudal society versus a hypothetical Libertarian country? The sick, elderly and disabled workers can become a major drag on their family... if they have any family. What would happen to them in a Feudal society? How about a Libertarian society?

On a Lord's private property, serfs had no freedom of speech and no right to oppose any whimsical policy pushed upon them by the higher classes. How does this go in a Libertarian society when workers or tenants on a rich person's land have serious grievances? What rules existed against evicting serfs in Feudal days? What about in a Libertarian society?

Life in a Feudal society was extremely unhealthy and not just due to a lack of technology. Who's to care if a Libertarian landowner lets their tenants' water get poisoned or they just dam up the river by their manor and leave everyone else to dry up? Who cared back during the Middle Ages?

If a mine collapsed and killed 20 people in the Middle Ages, nobody cared. What about in a Libertarian society? What Libertarian society would even create a court system for regulating what the rich people do with their workers? Who would even tolerate that?

Voting did not often exist as a right in Feudal society, except in some cases where serfs elected their local reeve or manager/overseer. What would even be the point of voting in a Libertarian society?

 

[KRCummings]

You have a simplistic view of feudalism. Probably right about the libertarians though.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

"But we have LT on ignore"

Yeah, only when threads like this come up that utterly destroy the credibility of right-wing thinking beyond even the Wishmaster's ability to retcon...

 

[Sean Renaud]

I don't have LJ on ignore. I ignore LJ. There is a gulf of difference. You don't post the necessary volume for me to put you on ignore, nor are you the kind of pest that I put on ignore just so I don't have to look at. Whether I agree with you or not you tend to be worth a read, I just don't comment if I'm not in the mood for a hissy fight.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I don't have LJ on ignore. I ignore LJ. There is a gulf of difference. You don't post the necessary volume for me to put you on ignore, nor are you the kind of pest that I put on ignore just so I don't have to look at. Whether I agree with you or not you tend to be worth a read, I just don't comment if I'm not in the mood for a hissy fight.

Still, nobody can answer the question in the OP.

Because Libertarianism isn't any better than Feudalism.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Honestly I'm not certain the two can be compared in the first place. It's like that classic question (at least in my age bracket) of why Democracy is better than Communism but there is little in either that prevents the other.

 

[KRCummings]

Honestly I'm not certain the two can be compared in the first place. It's like that classic question (at least in my age bracket) of why Democracy is better than Communism but there is little in either that prevents the other.

Because they can't be compared. LT is being his usual dumbass self.

 

[renard_ruse]

Feudalism is a decent system of social organization. Unfortunately, its been so unfairly portrayed for the past five hundred years there's no way most people will ever try to learn about it with an open, non-judgemental mind.

 

[KRCummings]

Feudalism is a decent system of social organization. Unfortunately, its been so unfairly portrayed for the past five hundred years there's no way most people will ever try to learn about it with an open, non-judgemental mind.

And people say you have no sense of humor.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Feudalism is a decent system of social organization. Unfortunately, its been so unfairly portrayed for the past five hundred years there's no way most people will ever try to learn about it with an open, non-judgemental mind.

Yes, the peasant massacres were especially fun. If you were the soldiers, that is.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Oh, I hope Renard comes back to explain this shit cus that would be great.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Oh, I hope Renard comes back to explain this shit cus that would be great.

He'll babble his way into oblivion just like he always does.

Meanwhile, since the Libertarians are so scared to answer my questions, I'll answer it for 'em.

1) In Feudal society, all land is privately owned. The people do not vote for their king. In Libertarian society, all land is privately owned. The people do not vote for the person who owns that land... in essence, the landlord, or king. In this sense, Libertarianism is no better or worse than Feudalism.

2) In Feudal society, since the land is privately owned, everyone who isn't an owner and who works on that land, is a tenant, also known as a serf. Theory says they may not be removed or evicted without serious cause, although peasant massacres were not uncommon. In Libertarian society, everyone who isn't an owner of privately-owned is a tenant, and in Libertarian society there is no protection whatsoever against sudden, at-a-whim eviction. Here, Libertarianism is actually worse than Feudalism.

3) In Feudal society, the sick, elderly and disabled were a major drag on families. If the families couldn't find the resources to take care of them, everyone starved or they got abandoned. In Libertarian society, no laws would exist to prevent this dilemma from occurring. No one except the families would support their own elderly, sick or disabled. If the family was too poor to take care of, say, a sick kid, the kid would be left to die, or the family would starve themselves trying to save their kid. There would be no obligation by the landlord to provide any resources. Just like in Feudal societies.

4) Serfs did not have freedom of speech on privately-owned lands during the Feudal ages. In a Libertarian society, the only rights they will have is "shut up or get the fuck out". Just like in Feudal societies.

5) In a Libertarian society the land owner has the absolute right to control who gets access to any food or water on their land. Which means they can starve everyone else, simply by hoarding and confiscating all resources on their property. Just like in, or perhaps worse than, Feudal societies.

6) If a mine collapses in a Libertarian society, too bad, so sad for the workers. Just like in Feudal societies.

7) The law enforcement that would theoretically enforce any "rights" in Libertarian society would receive no funding because Libertarians oppose taxes in practice if not in theory. Libertarian society, like during Feudal times, would have their own private security, and thus, their own rules. There would be no national police force with sufficient funding to stop a peasa^H^H^H^H^Htenant massacre. Other Libertarian landlords might even fail to give a shit... or they might even buy tickets to watch. Just like the way it happened in Feudal societies.



Libertarians are, of course, free to cite any Libertarian principles which show any of the above assessments to be wrong.

Good luck with that!

 

[Bill_S]

A libertarian society gives people who matter freedom, wealth, and liesure. It disiplines the common people with the hard rod of adversary. I love to think of short, stupid, ugly people getting pay cuts and rent increases.

 

[about_average]

Libertarians are, of course, free to cite any Libertarian principles which show any of the above assessments to be wrong.

I'm not sure why you think a libertarian, or anyone else for that matter, would not just laugh at your feeble attempt to create a libertarian chimera from your likely drug induced fantasies.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I'm not sure why you think a libertarian, or anyone else for that matter, would not just laugh at your feeble attempt to create a libertarian chimera from your likely drug induced fantasies.

You can laugh all you want to but you will still admit that my assessment is totally right and that you are all a bunch of savages that are unfit to live in a real society.

You have no counter argument, and you won't be back here, you spineless shit for brains troll.

 

[mark197205]

A libertarian society gives people who matter freedom, wealth, and liesure. It disiplines the common people with the hard rod of adversary. I love to think of short, stupid, ugly people getting pay cuts and rent increases.

Leisure.
Discipline.
Adversity, not adversary.

Dumbass.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

A libertarian society gives people who matter freedom, wealth, and liesure. It disiplines the common people with the hard rod of adversary. I love to think of short, stupid, ugly people getting pay cuts and rent increases.

It gives the rich people freedom, wealth and leisure. It gives EVERYONE else - namely, people like you - pay cuts and rent increases.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Alex, I'd like a verb for $300...