Eric Holder should resign

[coachdb18]

Holder, after being held incontempt for obstructing justice in the murder of Border Agent Brian Terry, made a contemptible display of himself in a self annointing rant.

Somebody please, call the Apollo Theater, we need their clown to bring the hooked cane and siren to drag this asshole off the stage. He's an embarrassment, and one now also held in contempt.

 

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[coachdb18]

He won't until all evidence trails to Axlerod are erased or concealed.

Where's Julian Assange and his WikiLeaks bunch when posting documents on the internet would actually be a great service?

 

[phrodeau]

Holder isn't being "held incontempt for obstructing justice". He was declared in contempt of Congress.

The Justice Department is not going to do anything about it. http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ispute-ahead/2012/06/29/gJQAO90xAW_story.html

 

[Adre]

Congress is contemptible.

 

[busybody..]

Congress is contemptible.

I know

Lets hold H Meyers in Contempt, right, A DRECK?

You DUMB DUMOH HIPPO CREEP

 

[phrodeau]

Congress is contemptible.

Anybody watching the proceedings could see that Rep. Issa was out for blood and didn't give a shit about the facts.

Even the National Review gave up supporting Issa.

 

[doctor_insanus]

I would welcome the contempt of those assclowns.

Fuck 'em.

 

[atmas]

Holder isn't being "held incontempt for obstructing justice". He was declared in contempt of Congress.

The Justice Department is not going to do anything about it. http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ispute-ahead/2012/06/29/gJQAO90xAW_story.html

It doesn't end there though: Issa has been provided the right to obtain private counsel to pursue the contempt case. If it gets before a judge all the documents that Holder hasn't released will be subpoenaed and the judge will go through each one as evidence presented.

 

[TexasWife25]

It doesn't end there though: Issa has been provided the right to obtain private counsel to pursue the contempt case. If it gets before a judge all the documents that Holder hasn't released will be subpoenaed and the judge will go through each one as evidence presented.

I'm torn.

On one hand I'm rather nosy, and I want to know what those documents say, on the other hand ... I have to wonder if we've crossed into a place where personal curiosity has trumped national security.

 

[Ishmael]

I'm torn.

On one hand I'm rather nosy, and I want to know what those documents say, on the other hand ... I have to wonder if we've crossed into a place where personal curiosity has trumped national security.

First of all I'm having a really difficult time tying any of this to 'National Security', at least in any conventional sense of the word. And they have made NO attempt to justify that claim. It's down to 'because I said so' right now.

Further the DoJ, and no other dept. of the government, can claim 'Executive Privilege' in the withholding of documents. All of those Dept.s are subject to congressional oversight. That's one of the reasons that congress can compel the Attorney General, Sec. State, or any of the rest to appear and testify. The president and his office alone are immune to that oversight and compulsion. If the precedent that Obama is trying to set is allowed to stand no government drone that falls under the executive branch would ever have to testify about anything, or produce any thing, ever.

Any, and ALL, documents internal to the DoJ, or any other Dept., are subject to subpoena by congress at anytime. It is unclear as to whether documentation between the white house and the various dept.s are outside the reach of congress. But by statements made by Holder and Obama, the white house was not involved in any of these operations. And if that is indeed the case it makes the situation where Obama is spending so much political capital to cover Holders ass all the more puzzling. Even more so with Obama's history of throwing anyone under the bus that became a political liability in any manner, even his preacher.

Ishmael

 

[eyer]

The very first American Attorney General to be held in contempt by either chamber of Congress...

 

[atmas]

I'm torn.

On one hand I'm rather nosy, and I want to know what those documents say, on the other hand ... I have to wonder if we've crossed into a place where personal curiosity has trumped national security.

This is not merely a political incident, like Watergate. None died as a result of Watergate.
This is a criminal incident, compounded by the AG's criminal lack of respect for the investigative process.

 

[koalabear]

Anybody watching the proceedings could see that Rep. Issa was out for blood and didn't give a shit about the facts.

Even the National Review gave up supporting Issa.

2 Border Agents dead, fact. Fuck off yellow neck.

 

[coachdb18]

This is not merely a political incident, like Watergate. None died as a result of Watergate.
This is a criminal incident, compounded by the AG's criminal lack of respect for the investigative process.

Watergate was just an office breakin followed by a coverup.

Fast and Furious is murder. In addition, there are US govt supplied weapons used in the crime, still on the streets to kill others, in the support of a drug trade. And all of this in support of an attempt to remove one of our most basic rights from the US Constitution in an act of treason.

 

[TexasWife25]

This is not merely a political incident, like Watergate. None died as a result of Watergate.
This is a criminal incident, compounded by the AG's criminal lack of respect for the investigative process.

I agree.

However, this is a project that has spanned 2 presidents that we know of. I wonder if perhaps we are opening pandoras box as it were, or, risking security of similar missions, by making these documents public.

 

[coachdb18]

I agree.

However, this is a project that has spanned 2 presidents that we know of. I wonder if perhaps we are opening pandoras box as it were, or, risking security of similar missions, by making these documents public.

Wide Receiver was a bad idea, but the idea was to find drug cartel leaders and end the passage of guns from the US into Mexico.

Fast and Furious was designed from the beginning to use the excuse of ending guns moving from the US into Mexico, with the real intent of banning guns and gun sales in the US. The Second Amendment is a thorn in the side of Obama, so while making it look like a gun interdiction scheme like Wide Receiver, the ATF forced gun dealers to sell to straw men under threat from the very force with responsibility to prevent it.

For whatever you think of me personally, you owe it to yourself to read the CBS news reports (attached as a link below), along with the emails they have supplied, to get a real sense of what was going down here...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-57338546-10391695/documents-atf-used-fast-and-furious-to-make-the-case-for-gun-regulations/

 

[atmas]

First of all I'm having a really difficult time tying any of this to 'National Security', at least in any conventional sense of the word. And they have made NO attempt to justify that claim. It's down to 'because I said so' right now.

Further the DoJ, and no other dept. of the government, can claim 'Executive Privilege' in the withholding of documents. All of those Dept.s are subject to congressional oversight. That's one of the reasons that congress can compel the Attorney General, Sec. State, or any of the rest to appear and testify. The president and his office alone are immune to that oversight and compulsion. If the precedent that Obama is trying to set is allowed to stand no government drone that falls under the executive branch would ever have to testify about anything, or produce any thing, ever.

Any, and ALL, documents internal to the DoJ, or any other Dept., are subject to subpoena by congress at anytime. It is unclear as to whether documentation between the white house and the various dept.s are outside the reach of congress. But by statements made by Holder and Obama, the white house was not involved in any of these operations. And if that is indeed the case it makes the situation where Obama is spending so much political capital to cover Holders ass all the more puzzling. Even more so with Obama's history of throwing anyone under the bus that became a political liability in any manner, even his preacher.

Ishmael

Umm...the DoJ does not exert executive privelege. It can't, because the DoJ is not the executive. Only the president, who is the executive, can exert executive privelege. While it is true that Justice is an executive department, it is so because it answers directly to the president but does not share the president's rights and priveleges. And this is why Holder has in a sense filibustered congressional oversight's entreaties, rather than engaging in executive privelege.

 

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[atmas]

Anybody watching the proceedings could see that Rep. Issa was out for blood and didn't give a shit about the facts.

Even the National Review gave up supporting Issa.

First, it's National Review, not THE National Review.

Second, "gave up supporting Issa"?
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/303843/why-fast-and-furious-matters-michael-walsh

http://www.nationalreview.com/bench-memos/299137/too-fast-and-too-furious-ammon-simon

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/304142/did-fast-and-furious-not-happen-robert-verbruggen


http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/301896/fast-and-furious-update-robert-verbruggen


All are posts this month that are praising of Issa.

Perhaps you might do better to quote a source with which you're actually familiar.

 

[phrodeau]

2 Border Agents dead, fact. Fuck off yellow neck.

And how do you feel about Issa using those deaths for his little political witchhunt?

 

[fuckwaffle]

And how do you feel about Issa using those deaths for his little political witchhunt?

How to you feel about Holder saying "Fuck you" about two deaths? In effect that's what he's doing to the American public about what the role of the Justice department was and when they knew about what was going on.

As far as Issa goes, I say he's doing his job, which Holder isn't.

 

[Liar]

Umm...the DoJ does not exert executive privelege. It can't, because the DoJ is not the executive. Only the president, who is the executive, can exert executive privelege. While it is true that Justice is an executive department, it is so because it answers directly to the president but does not share the president's rights and priveleges. And this is why Holder has in a sense filibustered congressional oversight's entreaties, rather than engaging in executive privelege.

Civics queston: So what branch of government is the DoJ part of? I thought the jucidial branch was strictly limited to the courts.

Eh. Nevermind. I read your post again.

I blame lack of coffee...

 

[deskuser]

Bloody hell as a Slade fan I thought they were talking about Noddy Holder.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Congress is contemptible.

Do some reading about Congress during the Revolution if you think theyre rats now. Here's a hint: They werent at Valley Forge freezing, and hungry with the troops.