Donald Trump plots purging administrative state employees if reelected

[Chobham]

The US has a long history of rendering the military so impotent that other powers take advantage of us.


We used to be able to tool back up quickly, but the Red-Greens are bound and determined to stop that industrial ability dead in its tracks.

It seems that we have already shipped a significant portion of our inventory of Javelin's and Stinger's to Ukraine and are now running through our inventory of 155 shells, the most critical being the Excalibur rounds.

 

[QueequegsHead]

Yeah, I don't see Ukraine as anything but a pyrrhic proxy war that leaves us weaker as China seeks to dominate the world, the shipping lanes and forcefully reunite Taiwan.

 

[Rightguide]

It seems that we have already shipped a significant portion of our inventory of Javelin's and Stinger's to Ukraine and are now running through our inventory of 155 shells, the most critical being the Excalibur rounds.

Probably why Biden wants to back down in the Pacific.

 

[Intrigued42]

Damn right, it needs to happen if we ever expect to bring the administrative state back to within the regulatory boundaries of their enabling legislation.

The administrative state? You mean the executive branch can give jobs to people that may or may not be qualified for anything other than loyalty to the most recently elected president? This was addressed after the civil war with the Pendleton Civil Service Actm which guaranteed that the government would have skilled workers by requiring applicants for positions to pass entrance exams, and then protected them from being fired by an incoming president of the opposite party. Have you done your research, Rightguide? What are these "regulatory boundaries" of which you speak?

 

[Rightguide]

The administrative state? You mean the executive branch can give jobs to people that may or may not be qualified for anything other than loyalty to the most recently elected president? This was addressed after the civil war with the Pendleton Civil Service Actm which guaranteed that the government would have skilled workers by requiring applicants for positions to pass entrance exams, and then protected them from being fired by an incoming president of the opposite party. Have you done your research, Rightguide? What are these "regulatory boundaries" of which you speak?

Pardon my bluntness but my life is research. Nobody at the time of the Pendleton Civil Service (1883) had even a clue that had they lived another 140 years they'd see a federal workforce of 2.79 million people governing the civil society of the United States. Nor would they have ever envisioned a federal bureaucracy operating in excess of the "regulatory boundaries" created by Congress in the enabling legislation that created their agencies, thus provoking an intervention in the practice by the SCOTUS with a 6-3 vote in West Virginia V. EPA issued in June of this year.

 

[PaxNurgle]

Purging the bloated government bureaucracy is one thing and it is, in fact, a good idea. Cut waste, cut redundancy, cut red tape, cut unnecessary expendatures- by all means, lets do it! This is why I once, long ago, supported the Republican party.

But that is not exactly what Trump and the republicans want to do. What Trump and the Republicans want to do now, is cut the parts of government that actually serve the health and safety of the people- the EPA, education, and so on. And his goal is not so much to "Cut waste and redundancy, etc" but to replace key officials with his own fiercely loyal henchmen- Granted this is how most elected leaders shape their cabinet, but he would include positions that should be non-partisan and loyal to the Constitution and the country, not to the president. Specifically, his plan to turn the FBI and CIA into his own personal Stasi/KGB and Tontons Macoutes is actually horrifying from the perspective of a free and democratic society. This is why I NO LONGER support the Republican party.

 

[Intrigued42]

Pardon my bluntness but my life is research. Nobody at the time of the Pendleton Civil Service (1883) had even a clue that had they lived another 140 years they'd see a federal workforce of 2.79 million people governing the civil society of the United States. Nor would they have ever envisioned a federal bureaucracy operating in excess of the "regulatory boundaries" created by Congress in the enabling legislation that created their agencies, thus provoking an intervention in the practice by the SCOTUS with a 6-3 vote in West Virginia V. EPA issued in June of this year.

The thing is, Right, that when you try to appoint an environmental attorney to a position for which he is not qualified (Attorney General?) you are doing just the sort of thing that led to that Act. Trump wants to fill positions that should be filled by non-partisan experts in their field with loyalists that will do his bidding. Never mind that they have no qualifications to fill the positions nor knowledge of the research (you should appreciate this) and/or qualifications to make informed decisions that can be passed along to congress. When you have congressional people like MTG and Lauren Bobert taking up space in legislative positions, you're asking for trouble. I would guess that the SCOTUS has little/no expertise with regard to EPA decision-making. Being the new arm of the Rs political policy-making machine, though, they'll legislate from the bench every chance they get. They have, they will and there are several that should be impeached imho.

 

[Chobham]

The thing is, Right, that when you try to appoint an environmental attorney to a position for which he is not qualified (Attorney General?) you are doing just the sort of thing that led to that Act. Trump wants to fill positions that should be filled by non-partisan experts in their field with loyalists that will do his bidding. Never mind that they have no qualifications to fill the positions nor knowledge of the research (you should appreciate this) and/or qualifications to make informed decisions that can be passed along to congress. When you have congressional people like MTG and Lauren Bobert taking up space in legislative positions, you're asking for trouble. I would guess that the SCOTUS has little/no expertise with regard to EPA decision-making. Being the new arm of the Rs political policy-making machine, though, they'll legislate from the bench every chance they get. They have, they will and there are several that should be impeached imho.

And you KNOW this how? Quite frankly you're full of shit. Trump got those buildings built by hiring people that knew their jobs and got the job done. It's just that simple.

 

[Intrigued42]

And you KNOW this how? Quite frankly you're full of shit. Trump got those buildings built by hiring people that knew their jobs and got the job done. It's just that simple.

Start here:

https://newrepublic.com/article/167...sident-replace-civil-servants-political-hacks

Then go here:

https://newrepublic.com/article/167...sident-replace-civil-servants-political-hacks

And if you need more information, I'll be glad to look it up for you.

What buildings are you referencing, btw? Schedule F employees can be hired and fired by the president. They need to p

 

[KeithD]

Purging the government is inevitable. It will be cut to the bones and then bones will be amputated as the world stops buying US debt.

No, it's not inevitable. It isn't even legally possible. The federal civil service is a protected service. You can only fire for adjudicated cause. He's full of shit in saying he can, let alone will, do is. I think it's great he says so, though. I think all of his crazy ideas should be plopped right out there. That makes the decision for anyone sane a lot easier at election time.

 

[Chobham]

Start here:

https://newrepublic.com/article/167...sident-replace-civil-servants-political-hacks

Then go here:

https://newrepublic.com/article/167...sident-replace-civil-servants-political-hacks

And if you need more information, I'll be glad to look it up for you.

What buildings are you referencing, btw? Schedule F employees can be hired and fired by the president. They need to p

An opinion piece isn't evidence of anything.

 

[QueequegsHead]

Pardon my bluntness but my life is research. Nobody at the time of the Pendleton Civil Service (1883) had even a clue that had they lived another 140 years they'd see a federal workforce of 2.79 million people governing the civil society of the United States. Nor would they have ever envisioned a federal bureaucracy operating in excess of the "regulatory boundaries" created by Congress in the enabling legislation that created their agencies, thus provoking an intervention in the practice by the SCOTUS with a 6-3 vote in West Virginia V. EPA issued in June of this year.

Smackdown!

 

[QueequegsHead]

Purging the bloated government bureaucracy is one thing and it is, in fact, a good idea. Cut waste, cut redundancy, cut red tape, cut unnecessary expendatures- by all means, lets do it! This is why I once, long ago, supported the Republican party.

But that is not exactly what Trump and the republicans want to do. What Trump and the Republicans want to do now, is cut the parts of government that actually serve the health and safety of the people- the EPA, education, and so on. And his goal is not so much to "Cut waste and redundancy, etc" but to replace key officials with his own fiercely loyal henchmen- Granted this is how most elected leaders shape their cabinet, but he would include positions that should be non-partisan and loyal to the Constitution and the country, not to the president. Specifically, his plan to turn the FBI and CIA into his own personal Stasi/KGB and Tontons Macoutes is actually horrifying from the perspective of a free and democratic society. This is why I NO LONGER support the Republican party.

Does the Dept of Education actually "educate?"

Don't worry -- it's rhetorical.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Everyone classified as "non-essential" every October should be let go.

 

[QueequegsHead]

Everyone classified as "non-essential" every October should be let go.

We've created a society/culture with too many hands out for handouts.

 

[HisArpy]

No, it's not inevitable. It isn't even legally possible. The federal civil service is a protected service. You can only fire for adjudicated cause. He's full of shit in saying he can, let alone will, do is. I think it's great he says so, though. I think all of his crazy ideas should be plopped right out there. That makes the decision for anyone sane a lot easier at election time.

Tell everyone to go home, turn off the lights, and sell the buildings.

At some point you're going to have to realize that YOU'RE FIRED wasn't an opinion...

 

[JohnEngelman]

He promised this last time.

And mexico will build the wall

And he will repeal Obamacare

Good luck on your expectations

Trump also told Bob Woodward that he could pay off the national debt with better trade deals.

When Trump was elected president the first time he did not know or care how the government operated. He thought all he had to do was to issue a decree, and his will would be obeyed. If he is re elected he will try to make that happen by firing competent civil servants and replacing them with incompetent yes men.

 

[JohnEngelman]

The trick is getting congress to cut budgets.

Congress does not cut domestic budgets because every item in the domestic budget has a powerful constituency that protects it, and the largest and most expensive programs are the most popular with the voters. The government grew to its present size in response to popular demand.

 

[Rightguide]

The thing is, Right, that when you try to appoint an environmental attorney to a position for which he is not qualified (Attorney General?) you are doing just the sort of thing that led to that Act. Trump wants to fill positions that should be filled by non-partisan experts in their field with loyalists that will do his bidding. Never mind that they have no qualifications to fill the positions nor knowledge of the research (you should appreciate this) and/or qualifications to make informed decisions that can be passed along to congress. When you have congressional people like MTG and Lauren Bobert taking up space in legislative positions, you're asking for trouble. I would guess that the SCOTUS has little/no expertise with regard to EPA decision-making. Being the new arm of the Rs political policy-making machine, though, they'll legislate from the bench every chance they get. They have, they will and there are several that should be impeached imho.

Stop. Joe Biden has nothing but place "partisan" appointees in the government. The Republicans don't run anything in the government. Democrat socialists control everything. That's why we're on the verge of war, why the economy is crashing, and why prices of gas, commodities, and crime is so high, and why the American people are suffering. Nothing Trump did or contemplated is at the root of any of this.

The SCOTUS is about the LAW, nothing else. Policies or government actions cannot take place that violates our law. Congress writes the law within the boundaries of the Constitution. The Executive commands the military, he directs the Executive Branch of government, he creates management policies that govern those agencies he employs to execute the laws of Congress. The SCOTUS decides whether the efforts of both the Congress and the Executive are in fact governing within their constitutional power. Congress must legislate within the Constitution. The President must govern within the limits of his Constitutional authority. That's how it works.

 

[phrodeau]

Yet the FBI Director is still Christopher Wray. How is that possible?

 

[Sugar Baby Wanted]

Never happened.

You'll find out after the mid terms. Double standard will get back to justice for all.

 

[Sugar Baby Wanted]

Yet the FBI Director is still Christopher Wray. How is that possible?

He will suicide himself soon enough. How is Biden president possible?

 

[ll74]

You'll find out after the mid terms. Double standard will get back to justice for all.

Good luck on your expectations.

 

[HisArpy]

Stop. Joe Biden has nothing but place "partisan" appointees in the government. The Republicans don't run anything in the government. Democrat socialists control everything. That's why we're on the verge of war, why the economy is crashing, and why prices of gas, commodities, and crime is so high, and why the American people are suffering. Nothing Trump did or contemplated is at the root of any of this.

The SCOTUS is about the LAW, nothing else. Policies or government actions cannot take place that violates our law. Congress writes the law within the boundaries of the Constitution. The Executive commands the military, he directs the Executive Branch of government, he creates management policies that govern those agencies he employs to execute the laws of Congress. The SCOTUS decides whether the efforts of both the Congress and the Executive are in fact governing within their constitutional power. Congress must legislate within the Constitution. The President must govern within the limits of his Constitutional authority. That's how it works.

But but Brandon has a pen. And a phone...

 

[Rightguide]

But but Brandon has a pen. And a phone...

Yep, he inherited both from Obama.