Don’t charge that electric vehicle: California braces for energy shortage thru Labor Day

[Counselor706]

California will suffer an energy shortage and “Flex Alerts” through Labor Day due to high temperatures, and residents will be asked to conserve electricity during afternoons and evenings, which means refraining from charging electric vehicles, among other uses.

The Sacramento Bee reported Tuesday (emphasis added):

"Hoping to avoid blackouts, the California Independent System Operator, which manages the state’s power grid, warned Tuesday that it probably will issue a series of Flex Alerts over the next several days. Flex Alerts are voluntary calls for conservation during the afternoon and evening hours, when energy use tends to soar. Residents will be asked to turn up their thermostats to 78 degrees or higher, avoid using dishwashers or other large appliances, and hold off on charging their electric vehicles, all during the 4-9 p.m. time frame.

Already, the grid manager has issues a “restricted maintenance operations” notice starting Wednesday — a directive telling power generators and transmission line operators to delay routine maintenance that would take generating or transmission equipment offline."

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2...ia-braces-for-energy-shortage-thru-labor-day/

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Biden is conspiring with the sun to make us miserable. Oh, and Hunter's laptop.

 

[AlexBailey]

Our regional CA electrical utility provides free EV chargers for any of its customers and there are still worthwhile incentives for putting solar panels on your house. A $10k solar system can provide >100 miles of daily driving without on-site or tailpipe emissions and without adding any additional load to the power grid.

 

[ll74]

Duplicate thread

 

[knownuthin]

anyone see what the cost of replacing a battery is?


A BLACK HOLE!

 

[ll74]

anyone see what the cost of replacing a battery is?


A BLACK HOLE!

If you ignore the cost of a combustion, gasoline-based vehicle .....sure

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Thoughts and prayers for Cubafornia.

 

[LittleDixie]

lol

 

[JohnnySavage]

I like the idea of EV and have looked into the F-150 Lightening. For a daily driver, I think its the way to go... and for fleet vehicles that do deliveries during the day its a no brainer.

My issue though, is the charging time when I need to go more than a couple hundred miles. I don't want to sit at a charging station for an hour.

 

[icanhelp1]

anyone see what the cost of replacing a battery is?


A BLACK HOLE!

Looks to me like tow truck service will become a booming business. I can visualize major highway traffic stoppage due to dead batteries. People stuck in traffic for hours until their own vehicle batteries go dead.

 

[Chobham]

I like the idea of EV and have looked into the F-150 Lightening. For a daily driver, I think its the way to go... and for fleet vehicles that do deliveries during the day its a no brainer.

My issue though, is the charging time when I need to go more than a couple hundred miles. I don't want to sit at a charging station for an hour.

Range is a HUGE problem, especially out in 'flyover' land. The other big problem is the infrastructure needed to support all those EV's doesn't exist yet and won't exist for quite some time. Solar and wind will never get the job done so the only 'green' alternative is nuclear and building those plants out will take decades.

 

[ll74]

Range is a HUGE problem, especially out in 'flyover' land. The other big problem is the infrastructure needed to support all those EV's doesn't exist yet and won't exist for quite some time. Solar and wind will never get the job done so the only 'green' alternative is nuclear and building those plants out will take decades.

You don't say

https://insideevs.com/news/550670/california-zev-infrastructure-investment/

The California Energy Commission (CEC) approved a three-year $1.4 billion plan for zero-emission transportation infrastructure and manufacturing to help the Golden State achieve its 2025 electric vehicle charging and hydrogen refueling goals.

I guess if you just tell people that things don't exist and so you can't do the things, that is an adequate argument ¯\(°_o)/¯

 

[JohnnySavage]

Doesn't matter if there's a charging station every mile, if you still have to sit there an hour waiting for the battery to charge up.

 

[Chobham]

You don't say

https://insideevs.com/news/550670/california-zev-infrastructure-investment/


I guess if you just tell people that things don't exist and so you can't do the things, that is an adequate argument ¯\(°_o)/¯

Just goes to show that a group of politicians can compound "stupid."

Where's the money for the generating facilities Sparky?

 

[ll74]

Just goes to show that a group of politicians can compound "stupid."

Where's the money for the generating facilities Sparky?

Do you understand what infrastructure means, Sparky?

 

[Chobham]

Do you understand what infrastructure means, Sparky?

Of course I do, and it's NOT hydrogen and EV charging stations.

 

[John_von_Neumann]

Concerns about charging times are reasonable, I believe, but becoming less of an issue with each passing year. A Tesla supercharger, for example, will get you 200 to 300 miles in 15 minutes. New charging tech may reduce that by an additional 33% in several years time.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

They’re fine for getting around urbanized areas where you can charge at home or at work. The Ford F-150 EV would be cool as a work vehicle.

Problematic for cross country traveling, especially off the interstates. Also pricy, even with government subsidies. Lots of environmental issues as well.

 

[oggbashan]

Concerns about charging times are reasonable, I believe, but becoming less of an issue with each passing year. A Tesla supercharger, for example, will get you 200 to 300 miles in 15 minutes. New charging tech may reduce that by an additional 33% in several years time.

But faster charging has been proven to reduce battery life.

 

[John_von_Neumann]

But faster charging has been proven to reduce battery life.

My understanding is EVs with active battery cooling are much better at preserving battery life under fast charging. I believe Tesla vehicles use a liquid cooled system.

 

[oggbashan]

Much better? But it can still be a problem and replacing battery packs is very expensive.

 

[ll74]

Of course I do, and it's NOT hydrogen and EV charging stations.

Yes, I understand that you have no idea what's in the bill. Thanks for confirming.

 

[Chobham]

Yes, I understand that you have no idea what's in the bill. Thanks for confirming.

It's all right there in the article. $25 million for energy production, the rest is retail and retail is NOT infrastructure no matter what the politicians want to label it.

Let's get down to reality. California has an energy production problem. For several years now they have not been able to meet peak demand at certain times of the year. With the exception of natural disasters that issue doesn't seem to plague the rest of the nation.

That $25 million investment is mostly going to expansion of geothermal in the Valley of the Geyser's region. Those projects, when completed are expected to generate anywhere from 7 to 10 GWhr of energy annually. There is also a portion that is going to a new solar farm that is also being funded by DOE that is pegged to produce 1 GWhr annually. Going with the best case on the geothermal that is an additional 11 GWhr annually to their grid.

In 2021 Californians consumed 277,764 GWhr annually. Of that total ~30% was imported energy, or 93,333 GWhr. That imported energy is unreliable. Those producers are selling excess capacity to Ca. and under stress will service their own customers before Californians. Also, a big chunk of what is going to the LA area is from the Colorado river dams and those are borderline in danger of going offline if the water situation doesn't improve dramatically.

So, we can deduct the 11 GWhr from the 93,333 that is imported and we're down to a measly 93,322 GWhr. IF they can add 11 GWhr generating capacity to their grid annually, how long will it take them to reach power self-sufficiency? And, of course, that assumes that there is zero increase in demand.

For years California has gotten away with these regulations because of their population and huge middle class market presence. But they are quickly approaching a turning point. Their population is in decline and will probably continue to do so for the foreseeable future. And those that are leaving are the middle class that were the foundation of their power to force market compliance.

In a nutshell Ca. is trying to force a consumer demand that it can't meet.

California Energy Data Source.

 

[PaxNurgle]

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2...ia-braces-for-energy-shortage-thru-labor-day/

Aren't you glad you're up there in Alaska where there is no energy shortage...but still have plenty of spare time on your "Vacation" to spam the board, huh?

EDIT: But on a serious note, while I have no issue with electric vehicles at all (I actually support their use) the concerns of range and charging times are very valid. They are not popular in rural areas for a very good and valid reason, and not good for long-distance travel for the same reason.

And now, California is MANDATING that gasoline vehicles will no longer legally be sold there after a certain date. This is government overreach at it's worst! They should instead support a transition to electric vehicles through consumer incentives, tax rebates, etc. But to tell consumers what they can and cannot buy is simply not how the government is supposed to work in a free (and free market) society.

 

[ll74]

It's all right there in the article. $25 million for energy production, the rest is retail and retail is NOT infrastructure no matter what the politicians want to label it.

Let's get down to reality. California has an energy production problem. For several years now they have not been able to meet peak demand at certain times of the year. With the exception of natural disasters that issue doesn't seem to plague the rest of the nation.

That $25 million investment is mostly going to expansion of geothermal in the Valley of the Geyser's region. Those projects, when completed are expected to generate anywhere from 7 to 10 GWhr of energy annually. There is also a portion that is going to a new solar farm that is also being funded by DOE that is pegged to produce 1 GWhr annually. Going with the best case on the geothermal that is an additional 11 GWhr annually to their grid.

In 2021 Californians consumed 277,764 GWhr annually. Of that total ~30% was imported energy, or 93,333 GWhr. That imported energy is unreliable. Those producers are selling excess capacity to Ca. and under stress will service their own customers before Californians. Also, a big chunk of what is going to the LA area is from the Colorado river dams and those are borderline in danger of going offline if the water situation doesn't improve dramatically.

So, we can deduct the 11 GWhr from the 93,333 that is imported and we're down to a measly 93,322 GWhr. IF they can add 11 GWhr generating capacity to their grid annually, how long will it take them to reach power self-sufficiency? And, of course, that assumes that there is zero increase in demand.

For years California has gotten away with these regulations because of their population and huge middle class market presence. But they are quickly approaching a turning point. Their population is in decline and will probably continue to do so for the foreseeable future. And those that are leaving are the middle class that were the foundation of their power to force market compliance.

In a nutshell Ca. is trying to force a consumer demand that it can't meet.

California Energy Data Source.

So it took you four responses to acknowledge energy production. Wonder why. ¯\(°_o)/¯

Edit: ignore this line as I saw you included DOE investment (And then you leave out federal funding for energy production. It's there.)

You also leave out the reduction in demand by expansion of more efficient electronics.

Consumer demand will be met when their target to meet the demand is hit. Don't like their approach, then don't live there.