Does a man, have say so when it comes to abortion?

[SeaDaddy1]

Well does he? Anybody can answer this question btw.Me personally since I am pro-choice,I think men just need to sit down, and shut the hell up. That's probably one of the reasons why I should vote for Obama.

That's right.


It's your womb. End of conversation.


No woman should be allowed to tell another woman either.


Any abortion any time for any reason.


Of course men must support your baby if you do not abort it. After all, it's HIS baby too...

You know it is the woman's body but I would hope that they could at least talk to each other. I know there are situations that are bad and that can't happen. I can't imagine what either one is going through but I do feel for both parties. It has to be hard if the man loves the woman and would want the child. It is just a sad situation all around. My thoughts go out to anyone who has ever been in that situation.

Yes. I think at least a conversation is in order.

I suppose every situation is different. Not every man or woman feels the same about abortion. If the man is responsible and decent, then he has every right to know morally. Some men do not care, some men actually want to be a father.

In reality, the decision to abort ultimately belongs to the woman. As difficult as this is for some men, we have to accept the harsh reality that our willingness to step forward and be a parent really means nothing in the end. Men have to accept that our feelings and opinion are basically obsolete. Such a shame really, considering how many terrible fathers there are in this world.

 

[hoo_hoo_boo]

Sea Daddy, you rock- you have at least given it thought which is a hell of a lot more than so many others have. Perhaps the answer is in reincarnation- come back as a woman and not be a disposable entity.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

All I know is, when I got married my new wife instantly acquired 1/2 ownership of all the property I bought-inherited before marriage.

 

[richard_daily]

All I know is, when I got married my new wife instantly acquired 1/2 ownership of all the property I bought-inherited before marriage.

Half of a double wide must be worth at least $400.

That must sting.

 

[Squibbs]

Half of a double wide must be worth at least $400.

That must sting.

Hey, he got the new tub liner in 2006.

That was $400.

 

[richard_daily]

Hey, he got the new tub liner in 2006.

That was $400.

I thought he just used taped together zip lock bags for that?

 

[sereneone4u]

I suppose every situation is different. Not every man or woman feels the same about abortion. If the man is responsible and decent, then he has every right to know morally. Some men do not care, some men actually want to be a father.

In reality, the decision to abort ultimately belongs to the woman. As difficult as this is for some men, we have to accept the harsh reality that our willingness to step forward and be a parent really means nothing in the end. Men have to accept that our feelings and opinion are basically obsolete. Such a shame really, considering how many terrible fathers there are in this world.

There are many horrible mothers in the world too. Men do not hold a monopoly on being terrible. Men do not have to accept it, they can fight it if they choose.

Sea Daddy, you rock- you have at least given it thought which is a hell of a lot more than so many others have. Perhaps the answer is in reincarnation- come back as a woman and not be a disposable entity.

If a man made that comment about a woman everyone would be in an uproar. Neither gender is disposable.

 

[richard_daily]

If a man made that comment about a woman everyone would be in an uproar. Neither gender is disposable.

Most men are utterly disposable.

Maybe they should stop being idiots, and they wouldn't be.

 

[sereneone4u]

Most men are utterly disposable.

Maybe they should stop being idiots, and they wouldn't be.

I disagree. Sorry you hate your gender, RD.

 

[richard_daily]

I disagree. Sorry you hate your gender, RD.

My gender is fine. Most men are still utterly disposable.

I blame it on lack of personal responsibility.

 

[Bad_Doggie]

All I know is, when I got married my new wife instantly acquired 1/2 ownership of all the property I bought-inherited before marriage.

Huh that doesn’t sound right. Is that really how it works in America???

In Europe, specifically Germany, if you can prove what you owned before marriage that remains yours.

Even things that were inherited or gifted to you during marriage remain yours.

Everything that is earned during marriage is split 50-50. (Well except that you have to keep having both your wages divided 50-50, so that she maintains her current quality of life for a minimum period of one year after you split. After this she’s on her own.)

Woof!

 

[killallhippies]

holy shit. someone just took something jbj said seriously. i think i might scream.

 

[Bad_Doggie]

holy shit. someone just took something jbj said seriously. i think i might scream.

I’ve heard divorce in the US is brutally expensive. Having never done it or know anyone who has, I dunno how brutal it is.

But, yeah I should’ve known better.

Woof!

 

[killallhippies]

I’ve heard divorce in the US is brutally expensive. Having never done it or know anyone who has, I dunno how brutal it is.

But, yeah I should’ve known better.

Woof!

actually, it varies (sometimes greatly) from state to state in this country.

 

[thelovingsadist]

actually, it varies (sometimes greatly) from state to state in this country.

But there are a few "No Fault" states, where it's law that upon divorce EVERYTHING is split 50/50, regardless of who owned what before the marriage.

Gold diggers love this law.

 

[hoo_hoo_boo]

Most men are utterly disposable.

Maybe they should stop being idiots, and they wouldn't be.

Yep. Men are disposable. The law is made to jail them and execute them. They live 5 years less anyway and there's little about health programs for them, try to find a doctor who'll do a finger job for the prostate- they jostle to do the smears. Try to find an andrology ward in a hospital. There isn't anywhere where men can meet now like in a service club yet there are lots for women, look in the phone book for services for women and look at those for men- they'd have to have women too. Look at the accidental death rated for men at work and compare them with those of women. Look at who goes into the services to fight for King and country, and at the police force. Look at the number of women who were politicians- it was the men who were hung drawn and quartered- one of my ancestors was. It goes on and on. And this notion that men have no right to any say in their own fertility and are bound by the choice of women is just another one. Disposable.

 

[Super-Surprise]

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[blobfish]

I think it ironic that Daily's name is Dick, seeing as how his doesn't work.

 

[XXplorher]

Has perpetually pissed me off...

I inject you, with a kid. From then on I have no say - but you do?

Like, I get it, you are developing the child. But at what part exactly did we lose track of the fact that *I* injected you with life?


If 2 don't agree? That's a Life?

 

[XXplorher]

meh - giant temple, less tall

 

[XXplorher]

I believe the answer ougth be YES! And how isn't it?

 

[LillyO]

Has perpetually pissed me off...

I inject you, with a kid. From then on I have no say - but you do?

Like, I get it, you are developing the child. But at what part exactly did we lose track of the fact that *I* injected you with life?


If 2 don't agree? That's a Life?

The day i can transfer the fetus to you to carry for 39 weeks i will give a fuck about your ablility to "inject" someone with life.

 

[XXplorher]

Right, so your basic concept it - by biology, you own that pain. And regardless of anything I might be willing to or have otherwise done - I didn't birth it. So fuck me?

Is that the gist?

What if I tell you I demand you have it and deal with me for the next 20yrs? Only cuz my cousin choked you one night and I happened to not notice.

I could continue...

Since ytou thougth to embarass me

 

[XXplorher]

I aint spewl wraqight since wrecently... stuff n such

 

[Peregrinator]

You're asking for the impossible. When you have two people involved in making a decision, the results are binary (mutually exclusive outcomes): either A) unanimous or B) a tie/stalemate.

In the event of B) tie/stalemate, who then holds the "tiebreaker"? Hmmm? If you say "A", it's chauvinism, if it's "B", then you've whined that a woman has an unfair advantage.

There's no room to 'agree to disagree' here. Your argument is half-baked and not worthy of serious consideration.

You're correct about this. However, in A that's the end of the discussion. In B, the conversation now starts with her asking me what I'm doing for the next twenty years of my life, with a fair portion of any future income, with my plans for where I want to live and what I want to do. And that's why there's pushback on this. The woman gets 39 weeks of parasitism, sure (and before anyone freaks out over my use of the term, google it; it's biologically accurate), but the decision is larger than that. It's about the rest of both of our lives. That's why I think I should get a say. Unless she finds a way to completely absolve me of any future responsibility, it's not about "bearing a child." It's about raising one and providing for it. And I don't have any kids, but everyone I know who does loves them, adores them, can't be away from them. So unless you're complete scum, just walking away seems to me to be an unlikely option.

So, yeah, I think I should get a say in the matter.