Do you own your body?

[BabyBoomer50s]

So then you want to rant about a situation and have restrictions based around that situation - but that situation has never been documented to occur.

Irrational.

And it's absolutely ridiculous that you can't even admit that third trimester elective abortions have never been documented to have occurred. Ever.

Wow.

Yes, I want women who are in their 8 month of pregnancy to be able to get an abortion in the event that something goes terribly wrong so that their lives aren't threatened and they aren't subjected to a gauntlet to get the care they need. A gauntlet based on falsehoods and fear.

Yes, you’ve been very clear. No restrictions.

 

[adrina]

Lol. I have no reason to doubt you and have never claimed there are documented cases. The information I’ve seen only addresses at or after 20 weeks. You’re trying to start an argument to deflect from the point I’m making. Two thirds of the country disagree with your extreme position.

Yes it is very extreme - to want to save a woman's life when her pregnancy is non-viable or threatens her life.

This is where your facade falls apart. You're trying to demonize me for advocating for abortion at any time during pregnancy as needed. That demonization assumes that there are women getting elective abortions in the third trimester. Yet, again, not a single one has been documented to occur.

Why is it extreme to want to have abortions available to women whose life is in danger or whose pregnancy is non-viable in the later term of pregnancy?

 

[adrina]

Yes, you’ve been very clear. No restrictions.

Again, the demonization of a very pragmatic position.

If the fetus is non-viable - a woman should have every right to an abortion. If the pregnancy threatens her life, then yes she should have abortion available to her. At any stage, including the last trimester.

Why is that so hard to grasp?

 

[RandyRebecca]

Yes, you’ve been very clear. No restrictions.

There's a clear and obvious difference between allowing abortions in the third trimester if the fetus isn't viable or if the woman's life is threatened, and allowing abortion in the third trimester because the woman chooses it, even though you haven't provided any documented cases of the latter occurring, which nevertheless is only legal in 6 states plus DC anyway.

The anti-choice people are deliberately counting "pro-choice" only as those who support the abortion limit as it legally is in Vermont, New Jersey, Colorado, New Mexico, Oregon, Alaska and DC (i.e. up to childbirth), and treating anyone else as not being pro-choice.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

52% of Americans are pro-choice, according to the 2023 Gallup link.

Thank you for confirming my point. 52% told Gallup they self identify as pro choice without defining what the term means. When asked the more specific question, 64% said it should only be legal under certain conditions or not at all. Which of the three choices in this Gallup question would you choose?

Do you think abortions should be legal under any circumstances, legal only under certain circumstances or illegal in all circumstances?​

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Again, the demonization of a very pragmatic position.

If the fetus is non-viable - a woman should have every right to an abortion. If the pregnancy threatens her life, then yes she should have abortion available to her. At any stage, including the last trimester.

Why is that so hard to grasp?

Again, i fully understand your position. About a third of the country shares it.

 

[adrina]

Bullshit twisting of numbers above. The usual interpretation to suit their needs. Even though they will never ever be in the position of needing an abortion, they somehow believe they know better than the medical community.

85% believe abortion should be legal in some or all instances.

13% believe abortion should be illegal in all instances.

52% are pro-choice. 44% are "pro-life".

Hardly the statement against abortion they'd like it to be. But wishful thinking, histrionics and dishonesty are par for the course.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

There's a clear and obvious difference between allowing abortions in the third trimester if the fetus isn't viable or if the woman's life is threatened, and allowing abortion in the third trimester because the woman chooses it, even though you haven't provided any documented cases of the latter occurring, which nevertheless is only legal in 6 states plus DC anyway.

The anti-choice people are deliberately counting "pro-choice" only as those who support the abortion limit as it legally is in Vermont, New Jersey, Colorado, New Mexico, Oregon, Alaska and DC (i.e. up to childbirth), and treating anyone else as not being pro-choice.

I’ve asked you a couple times how you would respond if you had been included in the Gallup poll and you just keep talking about the anti abortion lobby.

Do you think abortions should be legal under any circumstances, legal only under certain circumstances or illegal in all circumstances?​

 

[adrina]

Interesting that the one who insists on demanding everyone answer that question can't answer one simple question posed to him without dancing around like a fart on a hot skillet.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[RandyRebecca]

I’ve asked you a couple times how you would respond if you had been included in the Gallup poll and you just keep talking about the anti abortion lobby.

Do you think abortions should be legal under any circumstances, legal only under certain circumstances or illegal in all circumstances?​

I believe that it should be the woman's choice on demand up to 24 weeks, and after that in cases of the fetus not being viable or if the woman's life is threatened.

 

[adrina]

Part of the 13%.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

I believe that it should be the woman's choice on demand up to 24 weeks, and after that in cases of the fetus not being viable or if the woman's life is threatened.

Thanks. That fits the Gallup question option as “legal only under certain circumstances.” That’s the answer 51% selected. I’m in the 51% group as well.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Thanks. That fits the Gallup question option as “legal only under certain circumstances.” That’s the answer 51% selected. I’m in the 51% group as well.

Which presumably goes in the same group as Georgia law, i.e. 6 weeks maximum limit for abortion? Laughable gerrymandering of the stats.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Which presumably goes in the same group as Georgia law, i.e. 6 weeks maximum limit for abortion? Laughable gerrymandering of the stats.

Yes, 6 weeks would fit in that category as well. My own preference would be in the 12 to 15 week range.

 

[RandyRebecca]

“Not viable” is just a loophole to kill perfectly normal healthy kids but she either doesn’t care or doesn’t understand that.

You either don't know what "not viable" means, or you are trolling.

 

[RandyRebecca]

It doesn’t mean anything, it is completely subjective.

Objective, actually.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Great. Adrina asked a question which had nothing to do with the poll I shared or the point I was making. Only a third of the country supports unrestricted abortions per Gallup polling. I’ll let you and her chase down data on late term abortions. As you note, lots happen at or after week 20.

I was just showing your memory isn't quite up to par, but neither is mine. Which is why I double check my sources for information before posting and make myself look like an ass.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Define “viable” in terms of a human life. It is just subjective bullshit.

If a pregnancy is not viable, it means that the fetus is dead or won't be alive once born, which is an objective reality. For anyone to oppose an abortion in this situation is disgusting.

 

[dkovic77]

If a pregnancy is not viable, it means that the fetus is dead or won't be alive once born, which is an objective reality. For anyone to oppose an abortion in this situation is disgusting.

Yeah well the Neanderthals would rather women have to carry every fetus, regardless. Just to own the libs. Plus, it’s women, they have no say in this discussion.

Did I get that right Ican’t? Wrongguide?

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Define “viable” in terms of a human life. It is just subjective bullshit. This isn’t a goddamn science experiment or a marketing strategy with clear cut examples of failure and success.

If the kid isn’t attractive enough or smart enough or athletic enough or social enough that can be interpreted as not “viable” to someone who doesn’t value life or family as much as you do.

“Viable” literally means “able to live”.

 

[dkovic77]

“Viable” literally means “able to live”.

Our friend here…doesn’t understand or agree with basic understandings of words…and that is the major source of his frustration.

It’s not an insanity defense…it’s seems mostly intentional idiocy.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Define “viable” in terms of a human life. It is just subjective bullshit. This isn’t a goddamn science experiment or a marketing strategy with clear cut examples of failure and success.

You confusing two words here: "viable" and "visable".

• Fetal viability: Objective
• Fetal visibility: Subjective
• Bobo comprehension ability: Defective

Small wonder Mommy left her "defective" child behind, taking only the "smart" sister.

 

[trell]

Recent Baldwin Wallace University poll shows 58% favor passing issue 1. An article from Cleveland fox8 news.

Gotta love seeing BW make it to Lit!

 

[jaF0]

Texas Republicans Ban Women From Using Highways for Abortion Appointments​

Lubbock County, Texas, becomes the next county to pass legislation banning women from using their roads to seek abortions.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1717404239184679134