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RandyRebecca said:
Pro-choice people say that people have the legal right to an abortion, and that if you morally object to abortion then don't have one.

Anti-choice people say that they don't agree with abortion, and tough luck to all those people who disagree with them. They therefore force their will on other people.

It's possible to be anti-abortion morally and pro-choice legally. Why aren't you?

I'd actually say this to every anti-choice person in the world. They want power over women's bodies and women's sexuality, and power over financially poor families in particular.
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I would describe myself as anti-abortion morally and pro-choice legally.
I am not immune to these ideas. I have relatives who have raised a child with Down Syndrome, one who aborted a fetus with Trisomy 21 and a visible heart malformation and one who aborted a fetus as birth control.

Legally, I agree that none of them have done anything wrong.
Morally, the person who aborted the fetus with T21 knew the road that was ahead. They had the opportunity to see early on what raising their child may be like if lucky enough the heart malformation wasnt a life-long health complication. The relative with Downs was physically healthier and yet had many problems.

I will not pass judgment on the relative who aborted because she was young, single and unmarried.
I don't believe I would make the same decision, but until faced with those exact variables, I cannot be sure.
 
He's either too much of a coward to save or too dumb to understand the question.

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No. I was in Qarchak prison for women in Iran. There, the guards made us fully undress in front of them and do humiliating things while they watched. They took naked pictures of some women as well.

So, no. I don't own my body.
 
In a blow to abortion opponents in Ohio, a fall ballot issue aimed at enshrining access to the procedure in state's constitution will not be split into two separate issues — one about abortion, and one about other reproductive healthcare.

In a unanimous ruling Thursday, the Ohio Supreme Court sided with the bipartisan Ohio Ballot Board over Cincinnati Right to Life which, on behalf of a pair of anti-abortion voters, had argued that abortion should be considered as its own, separate question.
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Justices disagreed, freeing Ohio Physicians for Reproductive Rights and Ohioans for Reproductive Freedom to continue to gather signatures aimed at making the November ballot. Their deadline is July 5.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...&cvid=90c6c9d5494947a5b5767854d4a7c84a&ei=146
 
Bigboobbabe said:
I would describe myself as anti-abortion morally and pro-choice legally.
I am not immune to these ideas. I have relatives who have raised a child with Down Syndrome, one who aborted a fetus with Trisomy 21 and a visible heart malformation and one who aborted a fetus as birth control.

Legally, I agree that none of them have done anything wrong.
Morally, the person who aborted the fetus with T21 knew the road that was ahead. They had the opportunity to see early on what raising their child may be like if lucky enough the heart malformation wasnt a life-long health complication. The relative with Downs was physically healthier and yet had many problems.

I will not pass judgment on the relative who aborted because she was young, single and unmarried.
I don't believe I would make the same decision, but until faced with those exact variables, I cannot be sure.
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“Pro-choice” means exactly that. It’s the woman who gets to decide.
 
Buffalogurl said:
In one of the tweets in your post that states "the Bible tells women they must treat men like gods and bear children to be saved" do know what scripture from the Bible that statement is based on?....
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A major tenet of Christianity is that there's only one god, so I doubt that's an actual Bible quote.
 
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...1&cvid=56348fdf759f434aea6316b9b47ec7b7&ei=28

Rep. tricia cotham (r) changed allegiances from Democrat to republic and voted to overturn the veto on the 12-week ban on abortions. Of course, footage shows her very emotionally defending abortion-care back in 2015, but she's now complaining it's being mischaracterized. While speaking openly about the loss of her pregnancy back then, she's suddenly clutching her pearls about people talking about it now, while at the same time openly ignoring that her miscarriage (or spontaneous abortion in medical terms) required the same 'abortion' care she's helped deny others.


In her 2015 speech on the General Assembly floor, Cotham argued against a 72-hour mandatory waiting period for patients seeking abortion care. She spoke passionately about needing abortion care after she and her husband discovered her pregnancy was unviable. Cotham explained how devastating it was that they lost the wanted pregnancy but said she was grateful the decision was left to her, her husband and her doctor.
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“My first pregnancy ended in an induced physician-assisted miscarriage. While I served in this chamber,” Cotham said in 2015.

“Abortion is a deeply personal decision. It should not be a political debate. My womb and my uterus is not up for your political grab,” Cotham continued. “Legislators, you do not hold shares in my body, so stop trying to manipulate my mind.”
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now, though, she's all
“they should not be talking about my miscarriage, that is just very painful and wrong ― but they’re repeating this message that I had an abortion. And that is false,” Cotham added.
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they keep repeating her own words back to her. gosh, joining the pubs has made her such a snowflake! how dare they repeat what SHE said???

i agree with her words back in '15; and 8 years on i still accept the need for her to have had access to the 'physician-induced miscarriage' without feeling the need to deny the word 'abortion' applies whether the fetus has already died in the womb or not. She's clearly trying to draw some line between her actions (as being medically necessary) and some terrible woman choosing to 'murder their baby' (becos republican) and yet will STILL deny others the access to the same care, for the same reasons, she was able to receive. hypocrisy, they name is cotham.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...1&cvid=56348fdf759f434aea6316b9b47ec7b7&ei=28
 
butters said:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...1&cvid=56348fdf759f434aea6316b9b47ec7b7&ei=28

Rep. tricia cotham (r) changed allegiances from Democrat to republic and voted to overturn the veto on the 12-week ban on abortions. Of course, footage shows her very emotionally defending abortion-care back in 2015, but she's now complaining it's being mischaracterized. While speaking openly about the loss of her pregnancy back then, she's suddenly clutching her pearls about people talking about it now, while at the same time openly ignoring that her miscarriage (or spontaneous abortion in medical terms) required the same 'abortion' care she's helped deny others.




now, though, she's all

they keep repeating her own words back to her. gosh, joining the pubs has made her such a snowflake! how dare they repeat what SHE said???

i agree with her words back in '15; and 8 years on i still accept the need for her to have had access to the 'physician-induced miscarriage' without feeling the need to deny the word 'abortion' applies whether the fetus has already died in the womb or not. She's clearly trying to draw some line between her actions (as being medically necessary) and some terrible woman choosing to 'murder their baby' (becos republican) and yet will STILL deny others the access to the same care, for the same reasons, she was able to receive. hypocrisy, they name is cotham.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...1&cvid=56348fdf759f434aea6316b9b47ec7b7&ei=28
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"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
 
RandyRebecca said:
I support the legal right to abortion on demand at 24 weeks, everywhere. If you don't agree with abortion, then don't have one. Simple, really.
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Diverse opinions on the topic. My take on the Gallup poll is those who advocate abortion on demand beyond 15 weeks, especially those who live in states with more lenient abortion policies, should be wary of letting Congress set a national policy.
 
BrightShinyGirl said:
A major tenet of Christianity is that there's only one god, so I doubt that's an actual Bible quote.
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That is a major tenet of Christianity, but the Bible itself attests to the existence of many gods.

Of course as a multivocal text, the bible expresses contradictory views on most subjects, so it is usually possible to negotiate whatever meaning you want from it.
 
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