Do you own your body?

[BluesDriver66]

I trust women to make their own decisions regarding their bodies. Banning late abortion puts women’s lives at risk.

Conservatives and right wingers like to present bizarre imaginary scenarios where women decide to have late term abortions for frivolous reasons on a whim. Women (as everyone) should have full dominion over their bodies at all times. These are important, intimate, and personal decisions that should only be made by the woman and her doctor. Politicians, male control freaks, and the Mrs. Kravitzes of the world need to mind their own fucking business.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Conservatives and right wingers like to present bizarre imaginary scenarios where women decide to have late term abortions for frivolous reasons on a whim. Women (as everyone) should have full dominion over their bodies at all times. These are important, intimate, and personal decisions that should only be made by the woman and her doctor. Politicians, male control freaks, and the Mrs. Kravitzes of the world need to mind their own fucking business.

I wonder what the stats say in states like Vermont, Oregon and Colorado, who allow abortion on demand at any stage of pregnancy? It would be interesting to see the breakdown of what week of pregnancy the abortions happened in those states. I bet the overwhelmingly majority happen by 15 weeks. Even Lindsey Graham seems to think 15 weeks is the sensible minimum for the anti-choice lot, thinking of their political careers of course, although he's trying to force it on the whole country.

The irony is that back in 1972, a Gallup poll said that 68% of Republicans were pro-choice compared to 59% of Democrats. Most of those pro-choice Republicans would have had opinions of "It's between the woman and her doctor and is not really the business of the states or federal government", whereas pro-choice Democrats would have been like "It's the woman's right to choose".

Jimmy Carter, the 1976 Democratic presidential nominee, brought in a lot of evangelicals to politics and won their vote pretty big against Republican Gerald Ford in that year's presidential election. However, Carter then lost the evangelical vote big himself in 1980 against Ronald Reagan. Republicans since have pandered to evangelical issues and that base of support, and the Democrats go out of their way to do "bipartisanship" which just emboldens the reactionaries.

 

[BluesDriver66]

I wonder what the stats say in states like Vermont, Oregon and Colorado, who allow abortion on demand at any stage of pregnancy? It would be interesting to see the breakdown of what week of pregnancy the abortions happened in those states. I bet the overwhelmingly majority happen by 15 weeks. Even Lindsey Graham seems to think 15 weeks is the sensible minimum for the anti-choice lot, thinking of their political careers of course, although he's trying to force it on the whole country.

The irony is that back in 1972, a Gallup poll said that 68% of Republicans were pro-choice compared to 59% of Democrats. Most of those pro-choice Republicans would have had opinions of "It's between the woman and her doctor and is not really the business of the states or federal government", whereas pro-choice Democrats would have been like "It's the woman's right to choose".

Jimmy Carter, the 1976 Democratic presidential nominee, brought in a lot of evangelicals to politics and won their vote pretty big against Republican Gerald Ford in that year's presidential election. However, Carter then lost the evangelical vote big himself in 1980 against Ronald Reagan. Republicans since have pandered to evangelical issues and that base of support, and the Democrats go out of their way to do "bipartisanship" which just emboldens the reactionaries.

Stats don't really tell the entire story. I can't imagine being a woman badly injured in an auto accident, stricken with disease, or some other horrible medical calamity then being forced to jump through a bunch of bullshit bureaucratic political hoops where your doctor has concerns of being sued or losing his/her medical license, medical facilities that won't treat you, increased danger to your own health, etc. because some bible thumper from a child marriage state thinks you should be punished for being a slut and getting pregnant in the first place.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Stats don't really tell the entire story. I can't imagine being a woman badly injured in an auto accident, stricken with disease, or some other horrible medical calamity then being forced to jump through a bunch of bullshit bureaucratic political hoops where your doctor has concerns of being sued or losing his/her medical license, medical facilities that won't treat you, increased danger to your own health, etc. because some bible thumper from a child marriage state thinks you should be punished for being a slut and getting pregnant in the first place.

Absolutely. Wanting control over women is a large part of what they are doing, and the most vulnerable of those will be pregnant women without the financial means to travel to get an abortion. Such a woman in Louisiana would have to travel to Kansas or Colorado in one direction, or Florida or North Carolina in another, and the Republicans in Florida and North Carolina are trying to restrict things further, Florida from 15 weeks to 6 weeks and North Carolina from 20 weeks to 12 weeks.

 

[adrina]

The REAL questuion is: IF you own your body, and use it to create another body, do you own THAT body too?

The way it is in the United States, depending what state you're in, the fetus owns the woman via the state.

It is only logical for the woman to be in control of her body and how it is used - as opposed to the state.

 

[butters]

i believe a lot of people who have issues with post 23 weeks abortions is simply because of a lack of understanding as to why these might need to happen

the fetus has died
the placenta has ruptured
the discovery of significant damage that would mean in-womb death later anyway or death shortly/directly after birth
infections
illnesses such as certain cancers and the treatments required which would damage the fetus
other reasons

most if not all of these reasons put the mother's body at severe risk; why should the fetus be more important than the mother? why rob her of her health, potential future, healthy pregnancies, and even her life? In the maga, handmaiden world some would return us to, the woman is secondary, a vessel, a disposable baby-host who can be replaced by a new model.
this
is 2023.

if the fetus was delivered (as by cesaerian) it would almost certainly not survive or, if it did, would be so damaged that the quality of life would be so terrible that it would be cruel to even consider it; the time spent alive would require intense medical care that the parent/s may not be able to afford and the state they live in would be unwilling to pick up the costs. Is it better to abort a fetus with such a terrible path forward into a pain-filled life filled with medical interventions, operations, suffering we'd not allow our own pets to go through or force it to endure such a future for however long it may exist?

 

[Strixaluco]

i believe a lot of people who have issues with post 23 weeks abortions is simply because of a lack of understanding as to why these might need to happen

the fetus has died
the placenta has ruptured
the discovery of significant damage that would mean in-womb death later anyway or death shortly/directly after birth
infections
illnesses such as certain cancers and the treatments required which would damage the fetus
other reasons

most if not all of these reasons put the mother's body at severe risk; why should the fetus be more important than the mother? why rob her of her health, potential future, healthy pregnancies, and even her life? In the maga, handmaiden world some would return us to, the woman is secondary, a vessel, a disposable baby-host who can be replaced by a new model.
this
is 2023.

if the fetus was delivered (as by cesaerian) it would almost certainly not survive or, if it did, would be so damaged that the quality of life would be so terrible that it would be cruel to even consider it; the time spent alive would require intense medical care that the parent/s may not be able to afford and the state they live in would be unwilling to pick up the costs. Is it better to abort a fetus with such a terrible path forward into a pain-filled life filled with medical interventions, operations, suffering we'd not allow our own pets to go through or force it to endure such a future for however long it may exist?

In my country, until week 12 pretty much anyone asking gets an abortion. After that a special permit from national supervisory authority is required, and these would be the kind of reasons to get it until week 20. Week 21-24 only significant defects are accepted, and there have been a few early cesareans on week 21 because of that. But here the state covers the cost of special medical care!

 

[butters]

In my country, until week 12 pretty much anyone asking gets an abortion. After that a special permit from national supervisory authority is required, and these would be the kind of reasons to get it until week 20. Week 21-24 only significant defects are accepted, and there have been a few early cesareans on week 21 because of that. But here the state covers the cost of special medical care!

yeah, i moved to America from England and things are way different over there—medically-wise—to America. Been here 6 years now. The lower week cut-off is easier to implement because of sex education, contraception, pregnancy testing, and access to doctors there, access to early abortion. It's very different in the States and the costs of even visiting a doctor without health insurance that so many still cannot afford is prohibitive. I live now in Tennessee, and like many of its sister (politically) States it is doing all it can to reduce sex-education, push 'church morality', and even saw strong push back on trying to amend the 'legal to marry' age up from 14.

Money is at the heart of the health system here; if you feel you need to see a doctor, you're looking at $100 just for the appointment, and that's without any further blood works or diagnostics. The high cost of health insurance is a fight that has seen more people having access, yet in rural areas still not nearly enough. Those WITH insurance are afraid they're being made to pay for those without... the UK system works so much better.

 

[Pad_Foot]

No worries!! Soon??

You won’t be able to buy a pregnancy test!!
Why?? Cuz pregnancies aren’t a disease! God will let you know you have been chosen… by your father… uncle… that helpful man on the street.

How many have been turned so far for disobeying God’s word (sorry.. the State’s word) or to collect the bounty for your fetal tissue???

Any movement on banning embryo creation for those God is not helping??

 

[Strixaluco]

yeah, i moved to America from England and things are way different over there—medically-wise—to America. Been here 6 years now. The lower week cut-off is easier to implement because of sex education, contraception, pregnancy testing, and access to doctors there, access to early abortion. It's very different in the States and the costs of even visiting a doctor without health insurance that so many still cannot afford is prohibitive. I live now in Tennessee, and like many of its sister (politically) States it is doing all it can to reduce sex-education, push 'church morality', and even saw strong push back on trying to amend the 'legal to marry' age up from 14.

Money is at the heart of the health system here; if you feel you need to see a doctor, you're looking at $100 just for the appointment, and that's without any further blood works or diagnostics. The high cost of health insurance is a fight that has seen more people having access, yet in rural areas still not nearly enough. Those WITH insurance are afraid they're being made to pay for those without... the UK system works so much better.

Well, there are many reasons I really wouldn't move to USA and some states I wouldn't even visit.

 

[RandyRebecca]

yeah, i moved to America from England and things are way different over there—medically-wise—to America. Been here 6 years now. The lower week cut-off is easier to implement because of sex education, contraception, pregnancy testing, and access to doctors there, access to early abortion.

I believe it's 24 weeks in Britain, although not on demand. The mother there has to go to her doctor and say that having the baby would affect her mental wellbeing, and another doctor has to verify it also. The law over there is strict if you go outside the rigid requirements and some women are still prosecuted for it. I believe the British authorities left the old anti-abortion law from the 19th century on the statue books so that they could prosecute those who didn't stick to the strict guidelines in the 1960s abortion legislation.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-and-wales-after-miscarriages-and-stillbirths

 

[muddie684]

Stats don't really tell the entire story. I can't imagine being a woman badly injured in an auto accident, stricken with disease, or some other horrible medical calamity then being forced to jump through a bunch of bullshit bureaucratic political hoops where your doctor has concerns of being sued or losing his/her medical license, medical facilities that won't treat you, increased danger to your own health, etc. because some bible thumper from a child marriage state thinks you should be punished for being a slut and getting pregnant in the first place

What I'm about to is is going to make everybody very angry, and I apologize for the offense you will be taking from it. I am not trolling. I am serious, and would like for you to seriously consider the value of lives that are not your own.

The child, fetus, embryo is it's own distinct human being from conception, scientifically speaking. Heart function can be detected on ultrasound in approx. 26 days, which is when the medical definition of life comes into play. When a human's heartbeat stops they are medically dead but not scientifically dead and when performing CPR you are bringing them back from medical death. The child's body is NOT your body, but their own, and they form a symbiotic relationship with the host, assisting in the survivability of both.

I am an abolitionist, which is different from being "pro-life." I am in favor of the immediate criminalization of all forms of abortion by constitutional amendments, both in states and federally. My religion doesn't explicitly teach me that embryos are human persons, although it does teach me to care about defending the defenseless.

In the mother/child relationship the mother has all the power. Mothers can voice their opinion, vote, choose to get pregnant, choose to avoid sex, use money for medical treatments, move their bodies freely to move towards or away from whatever they wish. The child has no voice, no vote, no power of his or her genesis, no ability to protest. At present, children need to be protected from the violence of their mothers who refuse to recognize them as human beings.

My mother had an abortion because her birth control failed. She explained to me her son would have been mentally disabled, so she figuratively backed the car up and finished the job. Her choice to slaughter my sibling for the sake of her own cowardice and convenience disgusts me. Arguably, she never would have met my father and given birth to me if she hadn't had that abortion. Maybe after reading this some of you wish I had never been born, too. I assure you, if she had found it expedient, she would have snuffed me out, too. Most people are primarily concerned with themselves and hide the horror of their hearts behind euphemisms.

If you're thinking about having an abortion, you don't have to. PM me and I'll give you help so you won't make the same mistake so many women make. Children are a blessing, sometimes.

 

[BluesDriver66]

What I'm about to is is going to make everybody very angry, and I apologize for the offense you will be taking from it. I am not trolling. I am serious, and would like for you to seriously consider the value of lives that are not your own.

The child, fetus, embryo is it's own distinct human being from conception, scientifically speaking. Heart function can be detected on ultrasound in approx. 26 days, which is when the medical definition of life comes into play. When a human's heartbeat stops they are medically dead but not scientifically dead and when performing CPR you are bringing them back from medical death. The child's body is NOT your body, but their own, and they form a symbiotic relationship with the host, assisting in the survivability of both.

I am an abolitionist, which is different from being "pro-life." I am in favor of the immediate criminalization of all forms of abortion by constitutional amendments, both in states and federally. My religion doesn't explicitly teach me that embryos are human persons, although it does teach me to care about defending the defenseless.

In the mother/child relationship the mother has all the power. Mothers can voice their opinion, vote, choose to get pregnant, choose to avoid sex, use money for medical treatments, move their bodies freely to move towards or away from whatever they wish. The child has no voice, no vote, no power of his or her genesis, no ability to protest. At present, children need to be protected from the violence of their mothers who refuse to recognize them as human beings.

My mother had an abortion because her birth control failed. She explained to me her son would have been mentally disabled, so she figuratively backed the car up and finished the job. Her choice to slaughter my sibling for the sake of her own cowardice and convenience disgusts me. Arguably, she never would have met my father and given birth to me if she hadn't had that abortion. Maybe after reading this some of you wish I had never been born, too. I assure you, if she had found it expedient, she would have snuffed me out, too. Most people are primarily concerned with themselves and hide the horror of their hearts behind euphemisms.

If you're thinking about having an abortion, you don't have to. PM me and I'll give you help so you won't make the same mistake so many women make. Children are a blessing, sometimes.

So you're walking down the street past an in vitro fertilization clinic that has caught fire. Inside you see a vat with 100 fertilized eggs and one human baby in a baby carriage. You only have time to save one. Which one do you choose to save?

 

[Pad_Foot]

Hmm
Your daughter is pregnant
You are Jewish (since no one has raised this recently)
Choose… one is going to die. Medical Fact.
Your child or your grandchild ?
Nawwwww…. Let the government choose
Actually ? Only one living thinking person should have that decision
You are opposed still? What to have the doctor killed for following medical logic and Jewish Law?
Just WAIT until your laws meet Jewish Law!?
Who will prevail ??
(Note! Someone else will have to confirm what the Jewish thought is on this. We will all know soon enough in the news!)

 

[butters]

What I'm about to is is going to make everybody very angry, and I apologize for the offense you will be taking from it. I am not trolling. I am serious, and would like for you to seriously consider the value of lives that are not your own.

The child, fetus, embryo is it's own distinct human being from conception, scientifically speaking. Heart function can be detected on ultrasound in approx. 26 days, which is when the medical definition of life comes into play. When a human's heartbeat stops they are medically dead but not scientifically dead and when performing CPR you are bringing them back from medical death. The child's body is NOT your body, but their own, and they form a symbiotic relationship with the host, assisting in the survivability of both.

I am an abolitionist, which is different from being "pro-life." I am in favor of the immediate criminalization of all forms of abortion by constitutional amendments, both in states and federally. My religion doesn't explicitly teach me that embryos are human persons, although it does teach me to care about defending the defenseless.

In the mother/child relationship the mother has all the power. Mothers can voice their opinion, vote, choose to get pregnant, choose to avoid sex, use money for medical treatments, move their bodies freely to move towards or away from whatever they wish. The child has no voice, no vote, no power of his or her genesis, no ability to protest. At present, children need to be protected from the violence of their mothers who refuse to recognize them as human beings.

My mother had an abortion because her birth control failed. She explained to me her son would have been mentally disabled, so she figuratively backed the car up and finished the job. Her choice to slaughter my sibling for the sake of her own cowardice and convenience disgusts me. Arguably, she never would have met my father and given birth to me if she hadn't had that abortion. Maybe after reading this some of you wish I had never been born, too. I assure you, if she had found it expedient, she would have snuffed me out, too. Most people are primarily concerned with themselves and hide the horror of their hearts behind euphemisms.

If you're thinking about having an abortion, you don't have to. PM me and I'll give you help so you won't make the same mistake so many women make. Children are a blessing, sometimes.

except, scientifically speaking, it is a group of cells coming from one single egg cell (mother) and one sperm cell (father) that can ONLY grow by process of the mother's body providing a growing medium of situation and 'food'/providing oxygen for it AS an autonomous process of the woman's body. Remove that embryo before 20ish weeks and it will die in almost every instance... certainly before 12 weeks... because it is a part of the woman's body even if only as a temporary phase. Only around 1 in 5 fertilised cells survive the monthly process of shedding the womb lining and other factors such as illness and trauma that cause spontaneous abortion (miscarriage) on the road of development to birth. Many more babies are born dead.

The entire 'heartbeat' story is couched in non-scientific terms, since no heart exists as this stage of development, just the first electrical impulses of a group of cells beginning to organise in order to create a muscle not yet constructed. It's deliberately called the 'Heartbeat' ban in order to persuade the ill-informed that a fetus/embryo actually has a beating tiny heart at this stage in a pregnancy... when it doesn't. Education is so important.

Perhaps you'd have preferred you mother endure the financial hardships and mental anguish of carrying that pregnancy to term, if it even made it that far; your 'sibling' might have spent their life stuck in a chair facing a wall with people attending to physical needs but not able to cope with or help him with the mental problems. Perhaps you'd have preferred your mother to have the baby and give it up, to people who couldn't find him good foster/adoption home: he could have spent the rest of his days trapped in an understaffed, over-pressured system or go to people who aren't physically or emotionally able to care for him or, even worse, prey on children like this. Perhaps this would not have been his story: perhaps he and your mother would have been made homeless, unable to pay for a roof over their heads; maybe she would have turned to prostitution or crime in order to provide a roof and food. Of course, he may have been the rare one who fell into the laps of wonderful, wealthy-enough-to-provide-all-his-needs people. That is a far cry from most situations.

I do not take offence at your words; i pity you and your poor mother having such a judgmental, unempathetic son. Your personal grievances about your mother's choice shade your views. Please be sure to never get a woman pregnant, since should she need to choose an abortion to save her life or protect a wanted pregnancy from the horrors certain conditions may impose upon it, she really doesn't need you telling her that a damaged fetus is more important than her own life and she needs to sacrifice herself on the altar of your beliefs.

 

[stickygirl]

Hmm
Your daughter is pregnant
You are Jewish (since no one has raised this recently)
Choose… one is going to die. Medical Fact.
Your child or your grandchild ?
Nawwwww…. Let the government choose
Actually ? Only one living thinking person should have that decision
You are opposed still? What to have the doctor killed for following medical logic and Jewish Law?
Just WAIT until your laws meet Jewish Law!?
Who will prevail ??
(Note! Someone else will have to confirm what the Jewish thought is on this. We will all know soon enough in the news!)

Religion should not have any say in it. What did God do, in any form, for modern medicine? Modern doctors would be burned as witches by religious law.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Hmm
Your daughter is pregnant
You are Jewish (since no one has raised this recently)
Choose… one is going to die. Medical Fact.
Your child or your grandchild ?
Nawwwww…. Let the government choose
Actually ? Only one living thinking person should have that decision
You are opposed still? What to have the doctor killed for following medical logic and Jewish Law?
Just WAIT until your laws meet Jewish Law!?
Who will prevail ??
(Note! Someone else will have to confirm what the Jewish thought is on this. We will all know soon enough in the news!)

Most Jews believe that life begins when the baby draws its first breath. I’m sure there are Jews who believe otherwise, because as the old saying goes “2 Jews, 3 opinions”.

 

[stickygirl]

If you seriously believe religion should be in the driving seat, then embrace your Taliban brothers. Same brand, different logo

 

[adrina]

What I'm about to is is going to make everybody very angry, and I apologize for the offense you will be taking from it. I am not trolling. I am serious, and would like for you to seriously consider the value of lives that are not your own.

The child, fetus, embryo is it's own distinct human being from conception, scientifically speaking. Heart function can be detected on ultrasound in approx. 26 days, which is when the medical definition of life comes into play. When a human's heartbeat stops they are medically dead but not scientifically dead and when performing CPR you are bringing them back from medical death. The child's body is NOT your body, but their own, and they form a symbiotic relationship with the host, assisting in the survivability of both.

I am an abolitionist, which is different from being "pro-life." I am in favor of the immediate criminalization of all forms of abortion by constitutional amendments, both in states and federally. My religion doesn't explicitly teach me that embryos are human persons, although it does teach me to care about defending the defenseless.

In the mother/child relationship the mother has all the power. Mothers can voice their opinion, vote, choose to get pregnant, choose to avoid sex, use money for medical treatments, move their bodies freely to move towards or away from whatever they wish. The child has no voice, no vote, no power of his or her genesis, no ability to protest. At present, children need to be protected from the violence of their mothers who refuse to recognize them as human beings.

My mother had an abortion because her birth control failed. She explained to me her son would have been mentally disabled, so she figuratively backed the car up and finished the job. Her choice to slaughter my sibling for the sake of her own cowardice and convenience disgusts me. Arguably, she never would have met my father and given birth to me if she hadn't had that abortion. Maybe after reading this some of you wish I had never been born, too. I assure you, if she had found it expedient, she would have snuffed me out, too. Most people are primarily concerned with themselves and hide the horror of their hearts behind euphemisms.

If you're thinking about having an abortion, you don't have to. PM me and I'll give you help so you won't make the same mistake so many women make. Children are a blessing, sometimes.

The overwhelming vast majority of women do not regret having an abortion.

Secondly what you are discussing is essentially state mandated organ and tissue donation.

Because of a romantic notion about a cherubic baby image.

And quite honestly most of your post is hysteria. Your melodrama shouldn't dictate policy. Especially since you are so overly emotional about it.

 

[Pad_Foot]

Most Jews believe that life begins when the baby draws its first breath. I’m sure there are Jews who believe otherwise, because as the old saying goes “2 Jews, 3 opinions”.

There is a line in the Bible about “life” and “drawing a breath” ahhh but they discount Genesis

The Bible can argue both sides as God’s word
http://www.thechristianleftblog.org/blog-home/the-bible-tells-us-when-a-fetus-becomes-a-living-being

Good luck Trumplikans

https://jewishchronicle.timesofisrael.com/torah-prioritizes-the-mothers-life-and-health/

 

[RandyRebecca]

What I'm about to is is going to make everybody very angry, and I apologize for the offense you will be taking from it. I am not trolling. I am serious, and would like for you to seriously consider the value of lives that are not your own.

The child, fetus, embryo is it's own distinct human being from conception, scientifically speaking. Heart function can be detected on ultrasound in approx. 26 days, which is when the medical definition of life comes into play. When a human's heartbeat stops they are medically dead but not scientifically dead and when performing CPR you are bringing them back from medical death. The child's body is NOT your body, but their own, and they form a symbiotic relationship with the host, assisting in the survivability of both.

I am an abolitionist, which is different from being "pro-life." I am in favor of the immediate criminalization of all forms of abortion by constitutional amendments, both in states and federally. My religion doesn't explicitly teach me that embryos are human persons, although it does teach me to care about defending the defenseless.

In the mother/child relationship the mother has all the power. Mothers can voice their opinion, vote, choose to get pregnant, choose to avoid sex, use money for medical treatments, move their bodies freely to move towards or away from whatever they wish. The child has no voice, no vote, no power of his or her genesis, no ability to protest. At present, children need to be protected from the violence of their mothers who refuse to recognize them as human beings.

My mother had an abortion because her birth control failed. She explained to me her son would have been mentally disabled, so she figuratively backed the car up and finished the job. Her choice to slaughter my sibling for the sake of her own cowardice and convenience disgusts me. Arguably, she never would have met my father and given birth to me if she hadn't had that abortion. Maybe after reading this some of you wish I had never been born, too. I assure you, if she had found it expedient, she would have snuffed me out, too. Most people are primarily concerned with themselves and hide the horror of their hearts behind euphemisms.

If you're thinking about having an abortion, you don't have to. PM me and I'll give you help so you won't make the same mistake so many women make. Children are a blessing, sometimes.

Pro-choice people say that people have the legal right to an abortion, and that if you morally object to abortion then don't have one.

Anti-choice people say that they don't agree with abortion, and tough luck to all those people who disagree with them. They therefore force their will on other people.

It's possible to be anti-abortion morally and pro-choice legally. Why aren't you?

I'd actually say this to every anti-choice person in the world. They want power over women's bodies and women's sexuality, and power over financially poor families in particular.

 

[Lazaran]

The overwhelming vast majority of women do not regret having an abortion.

Secondly what you are discussing is essentially state mandated organ and tissue donation.

Because of a romantic notion about a cherubic baby image.

And quite honestly most of your post is hysteria. Your melodrama shouldn't dictate policy. Especially since you are so overly emotional about it.

That extremist mentality is what decent, intelligent people are up against.

They will never accept the Democratic process or constitutional privacy rights.

The fact that the extremists have undue influence in the highest court in the land is beyond troubling.

Voting is currently the best option to reverse the extremists dangerous edicts and intrusions into citizens personal lives.

That ^could change.

I’m a center left moderate, and I’ve just about given up on the right-wing religious extremists ever compromising on their patriarchal / handmaiden control freak ideology.

JFC

SAD!!!

 

[jaF0]

Prosecutors: Man drove car into planned Illinois abortion clinic in attempted arson​

34 minutes ago
DANVILLE, Ill. (AP) — A 73-year-old man is facing federal charges after he rammed a car into a planned abortion clinic in an eastern Illinois city and also was trying to set the building on fire, authorities announced Tuesday.


Wonder who he voted for?

 

[IrezumiKiss]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1661319049861640192

https://twitter.com/x/status/1661320387110551552

 

[IrezumiKiss]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1663548230603517953

https://twitter.com/x/status/1663549730427908103